So I, too, was initially very pessimistic about getting 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance shows. Then I read this:
For LA, Brooklyn, and Philadelphia you may enter for both performance dates for each city, but can only be drawn for one of the two dates. These are cities where we often have more fans than tickets available; therefore we must limit our members to only being drawn for one of two nights to spread the love around the Ten Club as much as possible.
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it's not hard to infer that many of the smaller markets end up with more 10c seats than 10c ticket purchasers. What does that mean? Well, if that inference is true, then picking any of the smaller markets at any position gives you a pretty good shot at scoring tickets. Makes me feel pretty good about my Pittsburgh, Buffalo, and Baltimore picks... but I guess we'll see.
I hate to mention it, but: There's always the possibility of missing on the lottery and getting tix July 27th. My wife and I are going for 4 or 5 shows, so it seems unlikely that our 3rd or 4th pick on will see much life.
So I, too, was initially very pessimistic about getting 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance shows. Then I read this:
For LA, Brooklyn, and Philadelphia you may enter for both performance dates for each city, but can only be drawn for one of the two dates. These are cities where we often have more fans than tickets available; therefore we must limit our members to only being drawn for one of two nights to spread the love around the Ten Club as much as possible.
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it's not hard to infer that many of the smaller markets end up with more 10c seats than 10c ticket purchasers. What does that mean? Well, if that inference is true, then picking any of the smaller markets at any position gives you a pretty good shot at scoring tickets. Makes me feel pretty good about my Pittsburgh, Buffalo, and Baltimore picks... but I guess we'll see.
Technically Pitt, Buffalo, and Baltimore won't be much smaller markets. Pitt will get all the people form Ohio, WV, Indiana, Michigan etc. Buffalo will get all the Toronto and Canada area people. Baltimore will get a lot of DC, Philly, south Jersey people. My guess is Charlotte, OKC, Phoenix, Spokane, and Calgary will be the easiest shows for tickets. Curious to see how Dallas sells.
...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
Technically Pitt, Buffalo, and Baltimore won't be much smaller markets. Pitt will get all the people form Ohio, WV, Indiana, Michigan etc. Buffalo will get all the Toronto and Canada area people. Baltimore will get a lot of DC, Philly, south Jersey people. My guess is Charlotte, OKC, Phoenix, Spokane, and Calgary will be the easiest shows for tickets. Curious to see how Dallas sells.
So I, too, was initially very pessimistic about getting 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance shows. Then I read this:
For LA, Brooklyn, and Philadelphia you may enter for both performance dates for each city, but can only be drawn for one of the two dates. These are cities where we often have more fans than tickets available; therefore we must limit our members to only being drawn for one of two nights to spread the love around the Ten Club as much as possible.
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it's not hard to infer that many of the smaller markets end up with more 10c seats than 10c ticket purchasers. What does that mean? Well, if that inference is true, then picking any of the smaller markets at any position gives you a pretty good shot at scoring tickets. Makes me feel pretty good about my Pittsburgh, Buffalo, and Baltimore picks... but I guess we'll see.
These are cities where we often have more fans than tickets available
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These are cities where we often have A LOT more fans than tickets available
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Technically Pitt, Buffalo, and Baltimore won't be much smaller markets. Pitt will get all the people form Ohio, WV, Indiana, Michigan etc. Buffalo will get all the Toronto and Canada area people. Baltimore will get a lot of DC, Philly, south Jersey people. My guess is Charlotte, OKC, Phoenix, Spokane, and Calgary will be the easiest shows for tickets. Curious to see how Dallas sells.
I'm not so sure about Charlotte being easy. It's South Eastern-most city on that leg and relatively close to Atlanta.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Technically Pitt, Buffalo, and Baltimore won't be much smaller markets. Pitt will get all the people form Ohio, WV, Indiana, Michigan etc. Buffalo will get all the Toronto and Canada area people. Baltimore will get a lot of DC, Philly, south Jersey people. My guess is Charlotte, OKC, Phoenix, Spokane, and Calgary will be the easiest shows for tickets. Curious to see how Dallas sells.
Why do you have to make me sad?
Sorry :oops: I am trying for Pitt and Baltimore as well. With the way the lottery is split now for each show, I don't think my chances for 10c tickets to any show is good. Whole reason I am avoiding shows further north.
...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
Considering this is the first time they have done this, and as far as I know there is no other band with a fanclub ticketing system to compare this system to, I think it's safe to say there are no real "tips" yet. After the lottery ends, and we all see how we fared, it might be helpful for the next tour. But for now we're sort of stuck guessing.
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I put in for a couple shows I want to hit, but you all realize there's still going to be a public sale for 90% of the tickets right?
That's what some seem to be missing. If they want to go to a show, they can likely still go if the lottery doesn't work for them.
I don't think anyone is really missing that. But if you think 90% of the remaining tickets are actually going to be available, that is not the way Ticketmaster works. A sizable portion will go to their partners, re-sellers, scalpers, then to radio stations, credit card presales, etc.
...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
I put in for a couple shows I want to hit, but you all realize there's still going to be a public sale for 90% of the tickets right?
That's what some seem to be missing. If they want to go to a show, they can likely still go if the lottery doesn't work for them.
I don't think anyone is really missing that. But if you think 90% of the remaining tickets are actually going to be available, that is not the way Ticketmaster works. A sizable portion will go to their partners, re-sellers, scalpers, then to radio stations, credit card presales, etc.
It's not just Ticketmaster, it's how the entire industry works, but you are correct. I recall reading that it's really something closer to 40% for general sales.
I put in for a couple shows I want to hit, but you all realize there's still going to be a public sale for 90% of the tickets right?
That's what some seem to be missing. If they want to go to a show, they can likely still go if the lottery doesn't work for them.
I don't think anyone is really missing that. But if you think 90% of the remaining tickets are actually going to be available, that is not the way Ticketmaster works. A sizable portion will go to their partners, re-sellers, scalpers, then to radio stations, credit card presales, etc.
I agree. I'm having flashbacks to Wrigley. A lot of people said, don't worry there will be a public sale. How fast can 40,000 tickets go. Then there was a cubs pre-sale, then a neighborhood pre-sale, then some sites that won't be mentioned had tickets before the public sale.
Next thing you know, Wrigley was the fastest sellout in its history. Yes, this is a unique and special show. It still sold out before many of us die hard fans even had a chance to purchase tickets.
With arenas, you have people that are season ticket holders to the local sports team that might get first dibs, you have credit card companies that might have first dibs, you have re-sellers that have backdoor deals, etc...
I hope everyone gets as many tickets as they want, I really do. My guess is that most people will get one pair of tickets via the 10c and that's not bad. Others will be shutout entirely.
Other acts are not selling very well (NiN and Black Sabbath sales are slow in Florida). There are concerts that are advertising buy one get one free just to get people in the door.
It will be interesting to see if PJ has instant sellouts or if they end up struggling like many other acts. I'm leaning towards the instant sellouts as they strategically are making their tours shorter and playing key markets. And I say good for them.
92 - Orlando
03 - Tampa
08 - Tampa
12 - DeLuna Fest, EV Orlando 1 & 2, EV Ft Lauderdale 1 & 2
13 - Wrigley!!! ,Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford, OKC, Seattle
14 - Leeds, Milton Keynes, St Louis
16 - Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Wrigley 1 & 2
And yes, i too plan on going to 5 shows, so I am well aware I will have to go thru public sale to get all the shows I want. My plan is to get as many people as I can to be on ticketmaster at 10 am on july 27 and have them all try to score me tix for different shows. Strength in numbers. Maybe just maybe then I will be able to sidestep the naxiety of not having a ticket. But probably not :roll:
just curious, has anyone ever put in the lottery for all shows and won a few? or at least one show? I've got lots of free time, so I can travel, just wondering what the odds would be. I'm terrible at math. :corn:
just curious, has anyone ever put in the lottery for all shows and won a few? or at least one show? I've got lots of free time, so I can travel, just wondering what the odds would be. I'm terrible at math. :corn:
They've only done this for Wrigley and London shows. Not sure if anyone won both by themselves (meaning maybe a married couple did).
My assumption is if you win your second pick, it will be for Non-GA for a smaller market show. At least per leg.
You could certainly win one for one leg and one for the second leg.
92 - Orlando
03 - Tampa
08 - Tampa
12 - DeLuna Fest, EV Orlando 1 & 2, EV Ft Lauderdale 1 & 2
13 - Wrigley!!! ,Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford, OKC, Seattle
14 - Leeds, Milton Keynes, St Louis
16 - Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Wrigley 1 & 2
just curious, has anyone ever put in the lottery for all shows and won a few? or at least one show? I've got lots of free time, so I can travel, just wondering what the odds would be. I'm terrible at math. :corn:
They've only done this for Wrigley and London shows. Not sure if anyone won both by themselves (meaning maybe a married couple did).
My assumption is if you win your second pick, it will be for Non-GA for a smaller market show. At least per leg.
You could certainly win one for one leg and one for the second leg.
As a local NY'er, I'm trying to pull off the local shows in Brooklyn and then those in Philly...so my strategy was:
1st choice: Brooklyn X / reserved seats
2nd Choice: Philly X / reserved seats
3rd Choice: Philly Y / reserved seats
This way, I'm putting my best eggs in ONE local show, since I can only win for one of them anyway...and one of choices 2 & 3 will hopefully pan out based on demand there. Who knows. It's the best I can hope for, without shooting myself in the foot by burning up to choices 1-4 on Brooklyn KNOWING only one of them can pan out - right?
What concerns me is that for Chicago, I didn't get my first choice - and only got my 2nd (which, yes, was better than nothing - and hopefully a whole tour will spread out demand significantly more).
Am I an idiot, or does this actually make sense? I convinced myself of both outcomes.
I hate to mention it, but: There's always the possibility of missing on the lottery and getting tix July 27th.quote]
I have to keep believing in July 27. This is my first time trying the pre-sale, and reading all these scenarios is making me nuts! In the past, I have seen all my PJ shows through Ticketmaster. Being ready to go right at that shotgun has its own set of stress, but I think I like that stress better. It only lasts about ten minutes. This is a whole week of insanity!
I hate to mention it, but: There's always the possibility of missing on the lottery and getting tix July 27th.quote]
I have to keep believing in July 27. This is my first time trying the pre-sale, and reading all these scenarios is making me nuts! In the past, I have seen all my PJ shows through Ticketmaster. Being ready to go right at that shotgun has its own set of stress, but I think I like that stress better. It only lasts about ten minutes. This is a whole week of insanity!
I actually like this lotto method over previous 10C pre-sales. In previous sales, the backend app servers slowed to a crawl the second tickets were opened and usually crashed entirely within a minute or two after. At least for me, it was never over in 10 minutes because you had to wait for the app servers to restart and pray that your tickets were still being held. Also if you hit refresh at the wrong time, you could cause your card to be authorized multiple times which caused your bank to hold funds as pending until the authorization dropped a couple days later (really bad for folks that use debit). With the Canadian tour pre-sale in 2011, they tried to host a presale twice, but the results were so bad that they had to eventually outsource it to ticketmaster (which actually worked rather well) because they could at least handle the load on their backend. I was actually hoping they would do that again, but I think this lotto method is a reasonable alternative (in theory).
just curious, has anyone ever put in the lottery for all shows and won a few? or at least one show? I've got lots of free time, so I can travel, just wondering what the odds would be. I'm terrible at math. :corn:
They've only done this for Wrigley and London shows. Not sure if anyone won both by themselves (meaning maybe a married couple did).
My assumption is if you win your second pick, it will be for Non-GA for a smaller market show. At least per leg.
You could certainly win one for one leg and one for the second leg.
Friend of mine won for both London and Wrigley.
You lucky lucky bastard (Monty Python quote from Life of Brian)
92 - Orlando
03 - Tampa
08 - Tampa
12 - DeLuna Fest, EV Orlando 1 & 2, EV Ft Lauderdale 1 & 2
13 - Wrigley!!! ,Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford, OKC, Seattle
14 - Leeds, Milton Keynes, St Louis
16 - Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Wrigley 1 & 2
Now if you are like me and don't have a local show, go for the gold like I am. Pick a big market and go for the GA. If you win, it will make the flights, hotels, etc... worth it. If you lose, you weren't going anyway. If you live in the North East, pick a gold show for the West Coast leg (leg 3) and try the same strategy.
And this is the #1 reason the lottery sucks, and everyone has worse odds than with F5.
Its too bad that the touringfans.net data isnt still up from prior tours. It was pretty good for giving you an idea of your seat location ahead of time, but this time around it would be cool to see the number of fan club members that went to the shows in the big cities vs the smaller markets.
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Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it's not hard to infer that many of the smaller markets end up with more 10c seats than 10c ticket purchasers. What does that mean? Well, if that inference is true, then picking any of the smaller markets at any position gives you a pretty good shot at scoring tickets. Makes me feel pretty good about my Pittsburgh, Buffalo, and Baltimore picks... but I guess we'll see.
Technically Pitt, Buffalo, and Baltimore won't be much smaller markets. Pitt will get all the people form Ohio, WV, Indiana, Michigan etc. Buffalo will get all the Toronto and Canada area people. Baltimore will get a lot of DC, Philly, south Jersey people. My guess is Charlotte, OKC, Phoenix, Spokane, and Calgary will be the easiest shows for tickets. Curious to see how Dallas sells.
Why do you have to make me sad?
These are cities where we often have more fans than tickets available
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These are cities where we often have A LOT more fans than tickets available
I'm not so sure about Charlotte being easy. It's South Eastern-most city on that leg and relatively close to Atlanta.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Sorry :oops: I am trying for Pitt and Baltimore as well. With the way the lottery is split now for each show, I don't think my chances for 10c tickets to any show is good. Whole reason I am avoiding shows further north.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
That's what some seem to be missing. If they want to go to a show, they can likely still go if the lottery doesn't work for them.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I don't think anyone is really missing that. But if you think 90% of the remaining tickets are actually going to be available, that is not the way Ticketmaster works. A sizable portion will go to their partners, re-sellers, scalpers, then to radio stations, credit card presales, etc.
It's not just Ticketmaster, it's how the entire industry works, but you are correct. I recall reading that it's really something closer to 40% for general sales.
I agree. I'm having flashbacks to Wrigley. A lot of people said, don't worry there will be a public sale. How fast can 40,000 tickets go. Then there was a cubs pre-sale, then a neighborhood pre-sale, then some sites that won't be mentioned had tickets before the public sale.
Next thing you know, Wrigley was the fastest sellout in its history. Yes, this is a unique and special show. It still sold out before many of us die hard fans even had a chance to purchase tickets.
With arenas, you have people that are season ticket holders to the local sports team that might get first dibs, you have credit card companies that might have first dibs, you have re-sellers that have backdoor deals, etc...
I hope everyone gets as many tickets as they want, I really do. My guess is that most people will get one pair of tickets via the 10c and that's not bad. Others will be shutout entirely.
Other acts are not selling very well (NiN and Black Sabbath sales are slow in Florida). There are concerts that are advertising buy one get one free just to get people in the door.
It will be interesting to see if PJ has instant sellouts or if they end up struggling like many other acts. I'm leaning towards the instant sellouts as they strategically are making their tours shorter and playing key markets. And I say good for them.
03 - Tampa
08 - Tampa
12 - DeLuna Fest, EV Orlando 1 & 2, EV Ft Lauderdale 1 & 2
13 - Wrigley!!! ,Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford, OKC, Seattle
14 - Leeds, Milton Keynes, St Louis
16 - Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Wrigley 1 & 2
Cleveland - 05/10
Pittsburgh - 10/13
Brooklyn - 10/13
MSG- 5/16
Wrigley - 8/18
And yes, i too plan on going to 5 shows, so I am well aware I will have to go thru public sale to get all the shows I want. My plan is to get as many people as I can to be on ticketmaster at 10 am on july 27 and have them all try to score me tix for different shows. Strength in numbers. Maybe just maybe then I will be able to sidestep the naxiety of not having a ticket. But probably not :roll:
priority picks should have been for the show only, with an option to be considered for our to opt out of GA.
Once selected for a show, seating is based on preference (either opt in or out of GA consideration), and then based on seniority.
Brian
"Leave it to me as I find a way to be.
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting.
I knew all the rules but the rules did not know me.
Guaranteed."
:thumbup:
They've only done this for Wrigley and London shows. Not sure if anyone won both by themselves (meaning maybe a married couple did).
My assumption is if you win your second pick, it will be for Non-GA for a smaller market show. At least per leg.
You could certainly win one for one leg and one for the second leg.
03 - Tampa
08 - Tampa
12 - DeLuna Fest, EV Orlando 1 & 2, EV Ft Lauderdale 1 & 2
13 - Wrigley!!! ,Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford, OKC, Seattle
14 - Leeds, Milton Keynes, St Louis
16 - Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Wrigley 1 & 2
Put in for what you want. If you don't get it, try on the 27th.
Friend of mine won for both London and Wrigley.
1st choice: Brooklyn X / reserved seats
2nd Choice: Philly X / reserved seats
3rd Choice: Philly Y / reserved seats
This way, I'm putting my best eggs in ONE local show, since I can only win for one of them anyway...and one of choices 2 & 3 will hopefully pan out based on demand there. Who knows. It's the best I can hope for, without shooting myself in the foot by burning up to choices 1-4 on Brooklyn KNOWING only one of them can pan out - right?
What concerns me is that for Chicago, I didn't get my first choice - and only got my 2nd (which, yes, was better than nothing - and hopefully a whole tour will spread out demand significantly more).
Am I an idiot, or does this actually make sense? I convinced myself of both outcomes.
'00: 8/23 8/24 8/25
'03: 4/30 7/2 7/3 7/8 7/9 7/11
'04: 10/1
'06: 5/13 5/27 5/28 6/1 6/3
'08: 6/24 6/25 6/27 6/28 7/1
'09: 10/30 10/31
'10: 5/15 5/18 5/20 5/21 6/25
'11: 9/3 9/4
'12: 9/2 9/22
'13: 7/19 10/18 10/19 10/21 10/22 11/23 11/24
'14: 10/19
'15: 9/26
'16: 4/8 4/9 4/11 4/28 4/29 5/1 5/2 8/5 8/7
'17: RNRHOF 4/17
'18: 9/2 9/4
'21: 9/18
yup
I actually like this lotto method over previous 10C pre-sales. In previous sales, the backend app servers slowed to a crawl the second tickets were opened and usually crashed entirely within a minute or two after. At least for me, it was never over in 10 minutes because you had to wait for the app servers to restart and pray that your tickets were still being held. Also if you hit refresh at the wrong time, you could cause your card to be authorized multiple times which caused your bank to hold funds as pending until the authorization dropped a couple days later (really bad for folks that use debit). With the Canadian tour pre-sale in 2011, they tried to host a presale twice, but the results were so bad that they had to eventually outsource it to ticketmaster (which actually worked rather well) because they could at least handle the load on their backend. I was actually hoping they would do that again, but I think this lotto method is a reasonable alternative (in theory).
You lucky lucky bastard (Monty Python quote from Life of Brian)
03 - Tampa
08 - Tampa
12 - DeLuna Fest, EV Orlando 1 & 2, EV Ft Lauderdale 1 & 2
13 - Wrigley!!! ,Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford, OKC, Seattle
14 - Leeds, Milton Keynes, St Louis
16 - Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Wrigley 1 & 2
And this is the #1 reason the lottery sucks, and everyone has worse odds than with F5.
nothing from ticketbasterd is ever easy especially pearl jam shows in big markets everytime ive tried yes i usually get seats but nothing too good