Should Pearl Jam Play in Israel?
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You're still here!BS44325 said:Nick Cave gets it just right
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/249845/nick-cave-to-roger-waters-youre-the-reason-im-playing-israel
You haven't been in the Trump thread telling everybody how awesome Trump is recently. I thought you had vacated. Hey... he's taking a beating recently. We need you in there to counterbalance the discussion.
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bootlegger10 said:Drowned Out said:These poor, poor victims. Nick Cave, thank you for making a principaled stance on behalf of all those tens of bullied musicians, whom for at least a month or two in their difficult, globe trotting lives, must endure words. Critical ones! From a peer, no less. All in exchange for what I’m sure is peanuts from Israeli promoters.
I mean...it takes such bravery to not only ignore the points BDS makes, but to victim blame....in a time that victim blaming is so passé. That, my friends, is courage personified.
Like...Just right...Nick Cave is right. He wants to play his music to his fans wherever they may live. Roger Waters believes that there is a political test in where you play. That is his prerogative and he should feel free to announce to the world why he is not playing Israel, and encourage other bands/musicians to do the same. But he shouldn't bully people, and if you are fine with that, you should be fine with Nick Cave's response to then.
I guess Roger doesn't believe in the power of music to effect change. His loss. Why anyone would want to see him perform Pink Floyd songs without the rest of the band escapes me. "Hey, do you want to go see the second best voice from Pink Floyd without the legendary guitarist either?" "Ummm, no."
Ummm. Yes. His shows are awesome.
Nick Cave? Terrible. Who cares what he has to say about Roger Waters. Comparing the two is like comparing the Patriots and the Browns organizations. He's small time. A pee wee.
Go ahead... play Israel. Play wherever else they are desperate for music and will pay such a small timer too. Nobody cares. Have you ever heard any buzz like this, "Holy shit. Nick Cave is going on tour. We have to go! Tickets are going to be impossible to get."
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Axl did it
Madonna did it
Cliff Richard did it
Radiohead did it
Aerosmith did it.
Pearl Jam should do it.
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Maybe we should just rephrase the thread title question to; Should Israel play Pearl Jam?It's a hopeless situation...0
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Apparently he is so small time that Waters group sent him an open letter not to play Israel.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:bootlegger10 said:Drowned Out said:These poor, poor victims. Nick Cave, thank you for making a principaled stance on behalf of all those tens of bullied musicians, whom for at least a month or two in their difficult, globe trotting lives, must endure words. Critical ones! From a peer, no less. All in exchange for what I’m sure is peanuts from Israeli promoters.
I mean...it takes such bravery to not only ignore the points BDS makes, but to victim blame....in a time that victim blaming is so passé. That, my friends, is courage personified.
Like...Just right...Nick Cave is right. He wants to play his music to his fans wherever they may live. Roger Waters believes that there is a political test in where you play. That is his prerogative and he should feel free to announce to the world why he is not playing Israel, and encourage other bands/musicians to do the same. But he shouldn't bully people, and if you are fine with that, you should be fine with Nick Cave's response to then.
I guess Roger doesn't believe in the power of music to effect change. His loss. Why anyone would want to see him perform Pink Floyd songs without the rest of the band escapes me. "Hey, do you want to go see the second best voice from Pink Floyd without the legendary guitarist either?" "Ummm, no."
Ummm. Yes. His shows are awesome.
Nick Cave? Terrible. Who cares what he has to say about Roger Waters. Comparing the two is like comparing the Patriots and the Browns organizations. He's small time. A pee wee.
Go ahead... play Israel. Play wherever else they are desperate for music and will pay such a small timer too. Nobody cares. Have you ever heard any buzz like this, "Holy shit. Nick Cave is going on tour. We have to go! Tickets are going to be impossible to get."
No one can deny Waters’ talent and creativity, but the 70’s was a long time ago and I would rather see someone who still releases quality music throughout their career. Tom Petty was a good example of that. Bruce Springsteen too. I think Nick Cave is an amazing artist and performer. I really enjoy his movie score work as well. I really respect Trent Reznor and the work he does on movie scores. These artists that are passionate about their craft and continually changing. Releasing 4 albums in 30 years and touring off your music in the 70’s doesn’t really appeal to me.
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And I am guessing when everyone else in the band takes sides against you, then you are probably the asshole.0
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Roger admitted to his cantankerous nature back in the day. He was the asshole for sure. A melancholy man at best.bootlegger10 said:And I am guessing when everyone else in the band takes sides against you, then you are probably the asshole.
But let's be fair... he was an exceptional writer and visionary. The Wall- which is his opus- is the greatest concept album ever made. With all due respect... by far in my mind.
Again... Cave calling Waters out is like the Browns telling the Pats how to win."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
No they shouldnt unless they play for the palestinian fans too otherwise i hope they never set foot in that part of the world ...RideRick said:
Axl did it
Madonna did it
Cliff Richard did it
Radiohead did it
Aerosmith did it.
Pearl Jam should do it.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
so you haven't heard his new record? it's awesome. I WISH I had the money to go see him when he came here a few weeks ago. I heard it was amazing.bootlegger10 said:
Apparently he is so small time that Waters group sent him an open letter not to play Israel.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:bootlegger10 said:Drowned Out said:These poor, poor victims. Nick Cave, thank you for making a principaled stance on behalf of all those tens of bullied musicians, whom for at least a month or two in their difficult, globe trotting lives, must endure words. Critical ones! From a peer, no less. All in exchange for what I’m sure is peanuts from Israeli promoters.
I mean...it takes such bravery to not only ignore the points BDS makes, but to victim blame....in a time that victim blaming is so passé. That, my friends, is courage personified.
Like...Just right...Nick Cave is right. He wants to play his music to his fans wherever they may live. Roger Waters believes that there is a political test in where you play. That is his prerogative and he should feel free to announce to the world why he is not playing Israel, and encourage other bands/musicians to do the same. But he shouldn't bully people, and if you are fine with that, you should be fine with Nick Cave's response to then.
I guess Roger doesn't believe in the power of music to effect change. His loss. Why anyone would want to see him perform Pink Floyd songs without the rest of the band escapes me. "Hey, do you want to go see the second best voice from Pink Floyd without the legendary guitarist either?" "Ummm, no."
Ummm. Yes. His shows are awesome.
Nick Cave? Terrible. Who cares what he has to say about Roger Waters. Comparing the two is like comparing the Patriots and the Browns organizations. He's small time. A pee wee.
Go ahead... play Israel. Play wherever else they are desperate for music and will pay such a small timer too. Nobody cares. Have you ever heard any buzz like this, "Holy shit. Nick Cave is going on tour. We have to go! Tickets are going to be impossible to get."
No one can deny Waters’ talent and creativity, but the 70’s was a long time ago and I would rather see someone who still releases quality music throughout their career. Tom Petty was a good example of that. Bruce Springsteen too. I think Nick Cave is an amazing artist and performer. I really enjoy his movie score work as well. I really respect Trent Reznor and the work he does on movie scores. These artists that are passionate about their craft and continually changing. Releasing 4 albums in 30 years and touring off your music in the 70’s doesn’t really appeal to me.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
'twas a great show, and I fully agree about his new record. Absolutely killer.HughFreakingDillon said:
so you haven't heard his new record? it's awesome. I WISH I had the money to go see him when he came here a few weeks ago. I heard it was amazing.bootlegger10 said:
Apparently he is so small time that Waters group sent him an open letter not to play Israel.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:bootlegger10 said:Drowned Out said:These poor, poor victims. Nick Cave, thank you for making a principaled stance on behalf of all those tens of bullied musicians, whom for at least a month or two in their difficult, globe trotting lives, must endure words. Critical ones! From a peer, no less. All in exchange for what I’m sure is peanuts from Israeli promoters.
I mean...it takes such bravery to not only ignore the points BDS makes, but to victim blame....in a time that victim blaming is so passé. That, my friends, is courage personified.
Like...Just right...Nick Cave is right. He wants to play his music to his fans wherever they may live. Roger Waters believes that there is a political test in where you play. That is his prerogative and he should feel free to announce to the world why he is not playing Israel, and encourage other bands/musicians to do the same. But he shouldn't bully people, and if you are fine with that, you should be fine with Nick Cave's response to then.
I guess Roger doesn't believe in the power of music to effect change. His loss. Why anyone would want to see him perform Pink Floyd songs without the rest of the band escapes me. "Hey, do you want to go see the second best voice from Pink Floyd without the legendary guitarist either?" "Ummm, no."
Ummm. Yes. His shows are awesome.
Nick Cave? Terrible. Who cares what he has to say about Roger Waters. Comparing the two is like comparing the Patriots and the Browns organizations. He's small time. A pee wee.
Go ahead... play Israel. Play wherever else they are desperate for music and will pay such a small timer too. Nobody cares. Have you ever heard any buzz like this, "Holy shit. Nick Cave is going on tour. We have to go! Tickets are going to be impossible to get."
No one can deny Waters’ talent and creativity, but the 70’s was a long time ago and I would rather see someone who still releases quality music throughout their career. Tom Petty was a good example of that. Bruce Springsteen too. I think Nick Cave is an amazing artist and performer. I really enjoy his movie score work as well. I really respect Trent Reznor and the work he does on movie scores. These artists that are passionate about their craft and continually changing. Releasing 4 albums in 30 years and touring off your music in the 70’s doesn’t really appeal to me.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Right, so that the next time this conversation comes up, Pearl Jam can be added to this list and used to normalize Israel, influencing the discussion. Thanks for proving that point.RideRick said:
Axl did it
Madonna did it
Cliff Richard did it
Radiohead did it
Aerosmith did it.
Pearl Jam should do it.0 -
Drowned Out said:
Right, so that the next time this conversation comes up, Pearl Jam can be added to this list and used to normalize Israel, influencing the discussion. Thanks for proving that point.RideRick said:
Axl did it
Madonna did it
Cliff Richard did it
Radiohead did it
Aerosmith did it.
Pearl Jam should do it.
No, Pearl Jam would just be playing a concert. I don’t agree with the Israeli government’s actions but it has nothing to do with Pearl Jam. Ed should give his speech and try to effect change.0 -
I like the song Wait for Her off his new album.0
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You bringing your “Please Play Israel” on the front and “Nick Cave Did” on the back sign to Prague?BS44325 said:Nick Cave gets it just right
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You bringing your “Please Play Israel” on the front and “Nick Cave Did” on the back sign to Prague?BS44325 said:Nick Cave gets it just right
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/249845/nick-cave-to-roger-waters-youre-the-reason-im-playing-israel
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After the latest from this president you can take all your $ and bet it on the house that this band will never ever play a single note in this region !jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Maybe. Are you going to start the “PJ must boycott all countries that recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital!” movement. A committed BDS guy like yourself can’t really let the Prague show go on can you?Halifax2TheMax said:
You bringing your “Please Play Israel” on the front and “Nick Cave Did” on the back sign to Prague?BS44325 said:Nick Cave gets it just right
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/249845/nick-cave-to-roger-waters-youre-the-reason-im-playing-israel0 -
I’m comfortable in my knowledge that Pear Jam will never play an apartheid state like Israel and lend them any kind of legitimacy that such an act would convey.BS44325 said:
Maybe. Are you going to start the “PJ must boycott all countries that recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital!” movement. A committed BDS guy like yourself can’t really let the Prague show go on can you?Halifax2TheMax said:
You bringing your “Please Play Israel” on the front and “Nick Cave Did” on the back sign to Prague?BS44325 said:Nick Cave gets it just right
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/249845/nick-cave-to-roger-waters-youre-the-reason-im-playing-israel09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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