Jimmy V, hasn't the post you referenced been produced in the context of a discussion that spiralled from a level of defensiveness? In other words, wasn't the criticism somewhat elicited?
I'm sincerely still confused as to where this thread spun towards flag wavers feeling as if they were under attack? When did the thread twist towards an opportunity for the discussion to be about chest beating and (naturally) people in opposition to the level of boasting?
Don't take things so personally. Any thread in any forum ultimately boils down to difference of opinion:
Even Flow or Jeremy?
Binaural or No Code?
Which setlist?
Which poster?
Guns?
Death Penalty?
US is the greatest?
You cannot expect people to sit idle while some publically insist that the US reigns supreme. Anything to the contrary cannot be construed as an attack on the US and its people. It's discussion. Filter what you wish from it.
Indeed, "prejudicial hatred" were my words and I stand by them. Hugh, after reading Polaris X's contribution yesterday do you still believe the prejudice I describe does not exist on this board?
although i have an american girlfriend and all my american friends would agree with my viewpoints ... they also have the ability to think objectively ... sometimes that is simply too much to ask ...
what is funny is i've said waaaaaay more controversial things ... if you think yesterdays post was prejudicial hatred - i feel sorry for you ... ... cuz it's gonna get worse ... please add me as a foe so you can be spared the horrors ...
Really? All your American friends agree with your views? Must be some lively discussions you have.
No doubt you probably have said more controversial things. Yesterday's comment was just the perfect one at the perfect time to prove my point. I do thank you for that.
Obviously you do not. As I stressed repeatedly, their are valid critics and valid criticisms. But go ahead, pretend that is my point.
Valid critics, and valid criticisms? I'd really love to hear your definition of a valid critic, and a valid criticism. Please, enlighten me. I'm on the edge of my seat.
Really? All your American friends agree with your views? Must be some lively discussions you have.
No doubt you probably have said more controversial things. Yesterday's comment was just the perfect one at the perfect time to prove my point. I do thank you for that.
Jimmy V, hasn't the post you referenced been produced in the context of a discussion that spiralled from a level of defensiveness? In other words, wasn't the criticism somewhat elicited?
I'm sincerely still confused as to where this thread spun towards flag wavers feeling as if they were under attack? When did the thread twist towards an opportunity for the discussion to be about chest beating and (naturally) people in opposition to the level of boasting?
Don't take things so personally. Any thread in any forum ultimately boils down to difference of opinion:
Even Flow or Jeremy?
Binaural or No Code?
Which setlist?
Which poster?
Guns?
Death Penalty?
US is the greatest?
You cannot expect people to sit idle while some publically insist that the US reigns supreme. Anything to the contrary cannot be construed as an attack on the US and its people. It's discussion. Filter what you wish from it.
For me it is certainly something that had been building for a while. And I don't believe the intent of the OP was to discuss civil liberties. I think the choice of title and opening few sentences were designed to be provocative. Others will disagree and that is fine.
I don't expect anyone to sit idly by if they have something to say. Discussion and disagreement are both great things. But we have a culture on this board of the same voices saying the same things over and over again. It becomes hard to take those voices seriously.
Really? All your American friends agree with your views? Must be some lively discussions you have.
No doubt you probably have said more controversial things. Yesterday's comment was just the perfect one at the perfect time to prove my point. I do thank you for that.
yes ... but again, they are critical thinkers ...
Obviously not if they are agreeing with every point you make.
there is not only one side in a coin..just saying...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
we have a culture on this board of the same voices saying the same things over and over again. It becomes hard to take those voices seriously.
Nobody's forcing you to read threads in the Moving Train section of this message board. And if you have something else to contribute then go ahead and do it, instead of whingeing about it and labeling those you disagree with 'prejudiced'.
we have a culture on this board of the same voices saying the same things over and over again. It becomes hard to take those voices seriously.
Nobody's forcing you to read threads in the Moving Train section of this message board. And if you have something else to contribute then go ahead and do it, instead of whingeing about it and labeling those you disagree with 'prejudiced'.
Again, we aren't talking about anyone and everyone who disagrees with me. I do understand it is easier to pretend that is so, but it is not. And it never will be no matter how many times you try to trot that out.
we have a culture on this board of the same voices saying the same things over and over again. It becomes hard to take those voices seriously.
Nobody's forcing you to read threads in the Moving Train section of this message board. And if you have something else to contribute then go ahead and do it, instead of whingeing about it and labeling those you disagree with 'prejudiced'.
Again, we aren't talking about anyone and everyone who disagrees with me. I do understand it is easier to pretend that is so, but it is not. And it never will be no matter how many times you try to trot that out.
Except that isn't the point, as you know. The point is that you're trying to silence critical expression on this board as it pertains to America, whilst at the same time labeling people who you don't agree with as prejudiced. Both of which are pretty fucking lame.
And if you really dislike reading my posts, and Polaris's posts, so much, then either stop reading the MT, or put me and him on ignore.
Except that isn't the point, as you know. The point is that you're trying to silence critical expression on this board as it pertains to America, whilst at the same time labeling people who you don't agree with as prejudiced. Both of which are pretty fucking lame.
No matter how many times you say it, it will never be true. Convenient and easy, but not true.
Except that isn't the point, as you know. The point is that you're trying to silence critical expression on this board as it pertains to America, whilst at the same time labeling people who you don't agree with as prejudiced. Both of which are pretty fucking lame.
No matter how many times you say it, it will never be true. Convenient and easy, but not true.
So labeling people as prejudiced and complaining about the topics discussed in this section of the board isn't an attempt to denigrate and/or dismiss those people you deem to be prejudiced, and who's choice of discussion you disagree with?
Really? Is that what you're gonna try and pretend here? Your problem is simply a personal one. Therefore put yourself out of your misery and put those posters you have a problem with on ignore. Not difficult, is it?
Kinda strange to be accused of wanting to silence people that I disagree with in one breath and then being told I should stop reading AMT in the next.
You clearly have a problem with certain posters here, or with this entire section of the board in general, so as far as I can see you have one of three choices: Either quit whingeing like a baby and accusing people you disagree with of being prejudiced; use the ignore feature; or stop reading this section of the board.
Kinda strange to be accused of wanting to silence people that I disagree with in one breath and then being told I should stop reading AMT in the next.
Oh, and stop derailing this thread. If you have nothing to contribute other than personal attacks on other members, then you have no business posting here.
Kinda strange to be accused of wanting to silence people that I disagree with in one breath and then being told I should stop reading AMT in the next.
You clearly have a problem with certain posters here, or with this entire section of the board in general, so as far as I can see you have one of three choices: Either quit whingeing like a baby and accusing people you disagree with of being prejudiced; use the ignore feature; or stop reading this section of the board.
Or I could continue to respond when I see examples of said prejudice.
Sorry Byrnzie. You do not get to dictate who does and does not get to have a voice on AMT.
and yet people will do anything to live in America......
Illegal immigration to the United States is the act of foreign nationals entering the United States, without government permission and in violation of United States nationality law, or staying beyond the termination date of a visa, also in violation of the law.
The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[1] Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 56% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 22% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world.
and what of today ? how many ??
sooooo there must be something good about America and it's fredoms....right ?
and Byrnzie (speaking of 2 year old's) good morning.
Godfather.
you copy & paste a article & not show the link where you copied the information from or just made up your own facts? forgive me if I am wrong but I know your writing & that is not godfather writing. please always show your sources as it is common practice when writing & a must.
Kinda strange to be accused of wanting to silence people that I disagree with in one breath and then being told I should stop reading AMT in the next.
You clearly have a problem with certain posters here, or with this entire section of the board in general, so as far as I can see you have one of three choices: Either quit whingeing like a baby and accusing people you disagree with of being prejudiced; use the ignore feature; or stop reading this section of the board.
Or I could continue to respond when I see examples of said prejudice.
Sorry Byrnzie. You do not get to dictate who does and does not get to have a voice on AMT.
I can continue telling you to stick your accusations of prejudice up your arse.
If you have nothing to contribute to a thread except personal attacks on other posters then you're breaching the rules of this board and simply trolling. Good luck with that.
and yet people will do anything to live in America......
Illegal immigration to the United States is the act of foreign nationals entering the United States, without government permission and in violation of United States nationality law, or staying beyond the termination date of a visa, also in violation of the law.
The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[1] Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 56% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 22% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world.
and what of today ? how many ??
sooooo there must be something good about America and it's fredoms....right ?
and Byrnzie (speaking of 2 year old's) good morning.
Godfather.
56% from Mexico. Have you seen what has been going on in that country? You wonder why they crawl through tunnels to escape for the chance at a better life?
The subject of this thread doesn't appear to be one attacking the US... yet it seems as if the chest beaters are in full defence mode. Could someone point me to the post that has the patriots feeling as if their dignity has been attacked? I think I missed it.
I think you missed my point :shock: I was just showing stats not reasons why other countries are so screwed up...but now that you mention it chalk one up for the good ol' USA.
and yet people will do anything to live in America......
Illegal immigration to the United States is the act of foreign nationals entering the United States, without government permission and in violation of United States nationality law, or staying beyond the termination date of a visa, also in violation of the law.
The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[1] Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 56% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 22% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world.
and what of today ? how many ??
sooooo there must be something good about America and it's fredoms....right ?
and Byrnzie (speaking of 2 year old's) good morning.
Godfather.
56% from Mexico. Have you seen what has been going on in that country? You wonder why they crawl through tunnels to escape for the chance at a better life?
The subject of this thread doesn't appear to be one attacking the US... yet it seems as if the chest beaters are in full defence mode. Could someone point me to the post that has the patriots feeling as if their dignity has been attacked? I think I missed it.
I think you missed my point :shock: I was just showing stats not reasons why other countries are so screwed up...but now that you mention it chalk one up for the good ol' USA.
Godfather.
Those statistics show the approximate ratio of ethnicities that comprise the illegal immigration base for your country. They don't really support reasons why other countries are so screwed up. One can speculate why people are leaving countries for another with such a statistic, but the statistics by themselves hardly provide a reason for why a country is so screwed up.
I can continue telling you to stick your accusations of prejudice up your arse.
Intelligent debate at its finest.
And personal attacks on other posters constitutes intelligent debate does it?
Is pointing out someone's clear prejudice a personal attack? Maybe, maybe not. If someone was a racist or a sexist or a homophone and that person got called out for it, would that constitute a personal attack? But pretending one had been attacked sure would be an easy way out.
Is pointing out someone's clear prejudice a personal attack? Maybe, maybe not. If someone was a racist or a sexist or a homophone and that person got called out for it, would that constitute a personal attack? But pretending one had been attacked sure would be an easy way out.
Pointing out someone's 'clear prejudice' may not constitute a personal attack, but when no such prejudice exists other than in your head, and when your lame accusation is clearly just a means to smear and insult someone who's views you disagree with, then yes, it is a personal attack. And it also constitutes trolling.
If you have a problem with me then either pm me, or complain to the mods. Stop derailing my thread with your bullshit.
Is pointing out someone's clear prejudice a personal attack? Maybe, maybe not. If someone was a racist or a sexist or a homophone and that person got called out for it, would that constitute a personal attack? But pretending one had been attacked sure would be an easy way out.
Pointing out someone's 'clear prejudice' may not constitute a personal attack, but when no such prejudice exists other than in your head, and when your lame accusation is clearly just a means to smear and insult someone who's views you disagree with, then yes, it is a personal attack. And it also constitutes trolling.
If you have a problem with me then either pm me, or complain to the mods. Stop derailing my thread with your bullshit.
Not trolling at all. Is prejudice in the modern world not a topic worth discussing? If a particular post serves as as an example of that prejudice - and, again, I do believe you were trying to be provocative far more than you were hoping to discuss civil liberties - doesn't it become a worthwhile discussion?
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I'm sincerely still confused as to where this thread spun towards flag wavers feeling as if they were under attack? When did the thread twist towards an opportunity for the discussion to be about chest beating and (naturally) people in opposition to the level of boasting?
Don't take things so personally. Any thread in any forum ultimately boils down to difference of opinion:
Even Flow or Jeremy?
Binaural or No Code?
Which setlist?
Which poster?
Guns?
Death Penalty?
US is the greatest?
You cannot expect people to sit idle while some publically insist that the US reigns supreme. Anything to the contrary cannot be construed as an attack on the US and its people. It's discussion. Filter what you wish from it.
Really? All your American friends agree with your views? Must be some lively discussions you have.
No doubt you probably have said more controversial things. Yesterday's comment was just the perfect one at the perfect time to prove my point. I do thank you for that.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Valid critics, and valid criticisms? I'd really love to hear your definition of a valid critic, and a valid criticism. Please, enlighten me. I'm on the edge of my seat.
yes ... but again, they are critical thinkers ...
anything I say = not valid because i have prejudicial hatred
all other criticism will be evaluated on a case by case basis ...
For me it is certainly something that had been building for a while. And I don't believe the intent of the OP was to discuss civil liberties. I think the choice of title and opening few sentences were designed to be provocative. Others will disagree and that is fine.
I don't expect anyone to sit idly by if they have something to say. Discussion and disagreement are both great things. But we have a culture on this board of the same voices saying the same things over and over again. It becomes hard to take those voices seriously.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Always consider the source. It is really that simple.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Obviously not if they are agreeing with every point you make.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Nobody's forcing you to read threads in the Moving Train section of this message board. And if you have something else to contribute then go ahead and do it, instead of whingeing about it and labeling those you disagree with 'prejudiced'.
Again, we aren't talking about anyone and everyone who disagrees with me. I do understand it is easier to pretend that is so, but it is not. And it never will be no matter how many times you try to trot that out.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Except that isn't the point, as you know. The point is that you're trying to silence critical expression on this board as it pertains to America, whilst at the same time labeling people who you don't agree with as prejudiced. Both of which are pretty fucking lame.
And if you really dislike reading my posts, and Polaris's posts, so much, then either stop reading the MT, or put me and him on ignore.
No matter how many times you say it, it will never be true. Convenient and easy, but not true.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
So labeling people as prejudiced and complaining about the topics discussed in this section of the board isn't an attempt to denigrate and/or dismiss those people you deem to be prejudiced, and who's choice of discussion you disagree with?
Really? Is that what you're gonna try and pretend here? Your problem is simply a personal one. Therefore put yourself out of your misery and put those posters you have a problem with on ignore. Not difficult, is it?
Godfather.
You clearly have a problem with certain posters here, or with this entire section of the board in general, so as far as I can see you have one of three choices: Either quit whingeing like a baby and accusing people you disagree with of being prejudiced; use the ignore feature; or stop reading this section of the board.
Oh, and stop derailing this thread. If you have nothing to contribute other than personal attacks on other members, then you have no business posting here.
Or I could continue to respond when I see examples of said prejudice.
Sorry Byrnzie. You do not get to dictate who does and does not get to have a voice on AMT.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Is this in Wisconsin?
I can continue telling you to stick your accusations of prejudice up your arse.
If you have nothing to contribute to a thread except personal attacks on other posters then you're breaching the rules of this board and simply trolling. Good luck with that.
I think you missed my point :shock: I was just showing stats not reasons why other countries are so screwed up...but now that you mention it chalk one up for the good ol' USA.
Godfather.
Intelligent debate at its finest.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
And personal attacks on other posters constitutes intelligent debate does it?
Those statistics show the approximate ratio of ethnicities that comprise the illegal immigration base for your country. They don't really support reasons why other countries are so screwed up. One can speculate why people are leaving countries for another with such a statistic, but the statistics by themselves hardly provide a reason for why a country is so screwed up.
Geez, man. Just stick with these
Then you come across much more credible.
Is pointing out someone's clear prejudice a personal attack? Maybe, maybe not. If someone was a racist or a sexist or a homophone and that person got called out for it, would that constitute a personal attack? But pretending one had been attacked sure would be an easy way out.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Hard not to agree with this.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Pointing out someone's 'clear prejudice' may not constitute a personal attack, but when no such prejudice exists other than in your head, and when your lame accusation is clearly just a means to smear and insult someone who's views you disagree with, then yes, it is a personal attack. And it also constitutes trolling.
If you have a problem with me then either pm me, or complain to the mods. Stop derailing my thread with your bullshit.
Not trolling at all. Is prejudice in the modern world not a topic worth discussing? If a particular post serves as as an example of that prejudice - and, again, I do believe you were trying to be provocative far more than you were hoping to discuss civil liberties - doesn't it become a worthwhile discussion?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."