nahhh dude that's bullshit,they guy lives in another country and and constantly bangs the US,maybe it's time to call him on his loud mouth bullshit.
Godfather.
Gotta agree with the Godfather here. There are a few on this board who seem blind to the fact that a prejudicial hatred of Americans is no different than a prejudicial hatred of blacks or gays or women. That this kind of hatred is so widely accepted does not make it any less repulsive.
show me ONE post, just ONE, that shows prejudicial hatred of the American public. You can't. Because what goes on here is simply discussing topics that involve American government or military or foreign policy. Which, is quite a lot. What goes on in the US affects more than just americans. by way of american foreign policy itself. so yeah, we're going to talk about it.
show me "one post" where I used the word " prejudicial hatred " and as far as reading someones constant negative bable about America this and America that gets really old..the guy sounds like a broken record and is just shy of being a troll.
as far as reading someones constant negative bable about America this and America that gets really old..the guy sounds like a broken record and is just shy of being a troll.
Instead of carrying on like a two year old, if you have any issues with any of the criticisms made against U.S government policies, then let's hear them.
and yet people will do anything to live in America......
Illegal immigration to the United States is the act of foreign nationals entering the United States, without government permission and in violation of United States nationality law, or staying beyond the termination date of a visa, also in violation of the law.
The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[1] Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 56% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 22% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world.
and what of today ? how many ??
sooooo there must be something good about America and it's fredoms....right ?
and Byrnzie (speaking of 2 year old's) good morning.
and yet people will do anything to live in America......
Illegal immigration to the United States is the act of foreign nationals entering the United States, without government permission and in violation of United States nationality law, or staying beyond the termination date of a visa, also in violation of the law.
The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[1] Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 56% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 22% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world.
and what of today ? how many ??
sooooo there must be something good about America and it's fredoms....right ?
and Byrnzie (speaking of 2 year old's) good morning.
Godfather.
you copy & paste a article & not show the link where you copied the information from or just made up your own facts? forgive me if I am wrong but I know your writing & that is not godfather writing. please always show your sources as it is common practice when writing & a must.
and yet people will do anything to live in America......
Illegal immigration to the United States is the act of foreign nationals entering the United States, without government permission and in violation of United States nationality law, or staying beyond the termination date of a visa, also in violation of the law.
The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[1] Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 56% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 22% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world.
and what of today ? how many ??
sooooo there must be something good about America and it's fredoms....right ?
and Byrnzie (speaking of 2 year old's) good morning.
Godfather.
Yeah, it's really weird why people from poor countries want to live in rich countries. Europeans ask themselves the same question, what with Africans and people from the Middle East pouring in to Europe, and risking their lives to do so.
The again, what does any of this have to do with U.S, or British, government policies - especially foreign policies? Answer: NOTHING.
man....for so many of you who feel America is so bad you all sure seem to enjoy a lot of things about America.
Godfather.
some of my fave writers are american.. some of my fave musicians are american.. some of my fave people are american... but man your government sucks.. and while ordinarily a foreign govt wouldn't be of concern to me, the american govts reach is long and somewhat damaging... and therefore I will continuen to not see eye to eye with them and those who blindly support their actions and policy.. and that includes my own govt. .
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but good question, godfather. you see we have food in the us. we have jobs here even if extremely difficult manual labor jobs, we have them. other reasons as well why folks come here, we aren't at a civil war. I love illegal immigrants & will help them if I have the opportunity to do so. people is who they are. people who deserve respect, humor, love & shelter & food. as decent human beings we must never turn our backs on another, illegal immigrant or not.
and yet people will do anything to live in America......
Illegal immigration to the United States is the act of foreign nationals entering the United States, without government permission and in violation of United States nationality law, or staying beyond the termination date of a visa, also in violation of the law.
The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[1] Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 56% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 22% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world.
and what of today ? how many ??
sooooo there must be something good about America and it's fredoms....right ?
and Byrnzie (speaking of 2 year old's) good morning.
Godfather.
Yeah, it's really weird why people from poor countries want to live in rich countries. Europeans ask themselves the same question, what with Africans and people from the Middle East pouring in to Europe, and risking their lives to do so.
The again, what does any of this have to do with U.S, or British, government policies - especially foreign policies? Answer: NOTHING.
if not for the accident of birth...
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
the part where you take anything that can be mildly attributed as a criticism of americans and claim prejudice ... tell me ... are americans not nationalistic and proud people?
You wrote:
americans are as nationalistic as they come ... it's beaten into them ... even the liberals here have an aversion to hearing what is wrong with the country ... they can't separate their defensive nature from the objective criticisms ...
That statement is dripping with prejudice. You lump all Americans in together, then lump all American liberals in together. There is no objective criticism there.
Are some American nationalistic and proud? Sure. So say some Americans. Don't paint us all with one brush and then claim to not have a bias.
let me reiterate ... it is dripping with prejudice because you choose to do so ... instead of actually addressing the point ... your reaction is simply to try and discount it because you don't like hearing it ...
again - we offer generalizations for a purpose ... they need to have relevance and they need to be true ... and yet again - saying not all americans are this or that is an absurdity of a point to make ... it is OBVIOUS that not all americans or anything otherwise you'd be all clones ...
feel free to ignore the criticisms - it's an easy way out ...
Nobody have anything to say about the OP? Nobody concerned that the government maybe keeping a record of every single telephone conversation and e-mail you've ever made? Nobody concerned about the FBI seizing the phone records of the Associated Press?
i tried to open the discussion about civil liberties and the boston explosion thread and all i got was i hated americans ...
and yet people will do anything to live in America......
Illegal immigration to the United States is the act of foreign nationals entering the United States, without government permission and in violation of United States nationality law, or staying beyond the termination date of a visa, also in violation of the law.
The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[1] Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 56% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 22% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world.
and what of today ? how many ??
sooooo there must be something good about America and it's fredoms....right ?
and Byrnzie (speaking of 2 year old's) good morning.
Godfather.
you copy & paste a article & not show the link where you copied the information from or just made up your own facts? forgive me if I am wrong but I know your writing & that is not godfather writing. please always show your sources as it is common practice when writing & a must.
yes every single text, email & phone conversation has been & will be stored in giant warehouse servers or whatever the fuck they are. this been going on at least the last 10-15 years. where is my link to the site that says this? I don't have a link or a credible site but it is a fact. ask W.
Gotta agree with the Godfather here. There are a few on this board who seem blind to the fact that a prejudicial hatred of Americans is no different than a prejudicial hatred of blacks or gays or women. That this kind of hatred is so widely accepted does not make it any less repulsive.
show me ONE post, just ONE, that shows prejudicial hatred of the American public. You can't. Because what goes on here is simply discussing topics that involve American government or military or foreign policy. Which, is quite a lot. What goes on in the US affects more than just americans. by way of american foreign policy itself. so yeah, we're going to talk about it.
show me "one post" where I used the word " prejudicial hatred " and as far as reading someones constant negative bable about America this and America that gets really old..the guy sounds like a broken record and is just shy of being a troll.
Godfather.
I was addressing Jimmy V, not you.
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and yet people will do anything to live in America......
Illegal immigration to the United States is the act of foreign nationals entering the United States, without government permission and in violation of United States nationality law, or staying beyond the termination date of a visa, also in violation of the law.
The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[1] Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 56% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 22% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world.
and what of today ? how many ??
sooooo there must be something good about America and it's fredoms....right ?
and Byrnzie (speaking of 2 year old's) good morning.
Godfather.
56% from Mexico. Have you seen what has been going on in that country? You wonder why they crawl through tunnels to escape for the chance at a better life?
The subject of this thread doesn't appear to be one attacking the US... yet it seems as if the chest beaters are in full defence mode. Could someone point me to the post that has the patriots feeling as if their dignity has been attacked? I think I missed it.
56% from Mexico. Have you seen what has been going on in that country? You wonder why they crawl through tunnels to escape for the chance at a better life?
The subject of this thread doesn't appear to be one attacking the US... yet it seems as if the chest beaters are in full defence mode. Could someone point me to the post that has the patriots feeling as if their dignity has been attacked? I think I missed it.
i saw a documentary a few years ago at hot docs where they followed some men from nicaragua on their journey to try and get into the US ... one guy basically said he makes $10 a day and would not go if he could make $15 ...
thing with all these illegal aliens is two-fold:
1. yes, opportunity for personal wealth is much greater in the US ... that cannot be argued
2. some of the barriers to gaining that wealth in their own country is the result of US policy ... perhaps if the US left latin america alone - we wouldn't see this influx ... if you look at the list of these illegal immigrants and their country of origin - you should see a parallel of cia/us involvement in that country ... mexico, guatemala, honduras, el salvador ... etc..
56% from Mexico. Have you seen what has been going on in that country? You wonder why they crawl through tunnels to escape for the chance at a better life?
The subject of this thread doesn't appear to be one attacking the US... yet it seems as if the chest beaters are in full defence mode. Could someone point me to the post that has the patriots feeling as if their dignity has been attacked? I think I missed it.
i saw a documentary a few years ago at hot docs where they followed some men from nicaragua on their journey to try and get into the US ... one guy basically said he makes $10 a day and would not go if he could make $15 ...
thing with all these illegal aliens is two-fold:
1. yes, opportunity for personal wealth is much greater in the US ... that cannot be argued
2. some of the barriers to gaining that wealth in their own country is the result of US policy ... perhaps if the US left latin america alone - we wouldn't see this influx ... if you look at the list of these illegal immigrants and their country of origin - you should see a parallel of cia/us involvement in that country ... mexico, guatemala, honduras, el salvador ... etc..
Not to mention the US's contribution to the intense demand for drug products that has left the country in a lawless state run by ruthless cartels.
show me ONE post, just ONE, that shows prejudicial hatred of the American public. You can't. Because what goes on here is simply discussing topics that involve American government or military or foreign policy. Which, is quite a lot. What goes on in the US affects more than just americans. by way of american foreign policy itself. so yeah, we're going to talk about it.
show me "one post" where I used the word " prejudicial hatred " and as far as reading someones constant negative bable about America this and America that gets really old..the guy sounds like a broken record and is just shy of being a troll.
Godfather.
I was addressing Jimmy V, not you.
Indeed, "prejudicial hatred" were my words and I stand by them. Hugh, after reading Polaris X's contribution yesterday do you still believe the prejudice I describe does not exist on this board?
the part where you take anything that can be mildly attributed as a criticism of americans and claim prejudice ... tell me ... are americans not nationalistic and proud people?
You wrote:
americans are as nationalistic as they come ... it's beaten into them ... even the liberals here have an aversion to hearing what is wrong with the country ... they can't separate their defensive nature from the objective criticisms ...
That statement is dripping with prejudice. You lump all Americans in together, then lump all American liberals in together. There is no objective criticism there.
Are some American nationalistic and proud? Sure. So say some Americans. Don't paint us all with one brush and then claim to not have a bias.
let me reiterate ... it is dripping with prejudice because you choose to do so ... instead of actually addressing the point ... your reaction is simply to try and discount it because you don't like hearing it ...
again - we offer generalizations for a purpose ... they need to have relevance and they need to be true ... and yet again - saying not all americans are this or that is an absurdity of a point to make ... it is OBVIOUS that not all americans or anything otherwise you'd be all clones ...
feel free to ignore the criticisms - it's an easy way out ...
Let me reiterate...my point was that prejudice such as yours exists on this board unchecked and many are blind to it. I understand completely that you either don't see it or choose to ignore it.
And there is no easier way out than refusing to take responsibility for one's own words.
i remember once,i was watching a game at basketball,Greece-USSR at 1987 i think it was and the guy at the tv said,cos one of the ref was against Greece almost always "he wears Red Glasses!!!"cos of the color ussr team wear..
and by saying that,i mean if you biased against or for USA you will not change your mind..
i think the truth is somewhere in the middle..
USA isnt the best and for sure not the worst when iut comes to the 'The Land of The Free'
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I guess it's at this point when we need to explore definitions of freedom in the context of being human beings who live in organized societies. No need to go extremist on the subject IMHO. I personally feel pretty darned free, as someone who lives in Canada and isn't a prisoner of personal debt (remember, sometimes, we create our own lack of freedom too). I do wish pot was legal though. :think:
With you on all points (except substitute US for Canada ).
Let me reiterate...my point was that prejudice such as yours exists on this board unchecked and many are blind to it. I understand completely that you either don't see it or choose to ignore it.
And there is no easier way out than refusing to take responsibility for one's own words.
Don't worry, we get it: Criticizing the U.S government = hating America.
Let me reiterate...my point was that prejudice such as yours exists on this board unchecked and many are blind to it. I understand completely that you either don't see it or choose to ignore it.
And there is no easier way out than refusing to take responsibility for one's own words.
Don't worry, we get it: Criticizing the U.S government = hating America.
Obviously you do not. As I stressed repeatedly, their are valid critics and valid criticisms. But go ahead, pretend that is my point.
Indeed, "prejudicial hatred" were my words and I stand by them. Hugh, after reading Polaris X's contribution yesterday do you still believe the prejudice I describe does not exist on this board?
although i have an american girlfriend and all my american friends would agree with my viewpoints ... they also have the ability to think objectively ... sometimes that is simply too much to ask ...
what is funny is i've said waaaaaay more controversial things ... if you think yesterdays post was prejudicial hatred - i feel sorry for you ... ... cuz it's gonna get worse ... please add me as a foe so you can be spared the horrors ...
Let me reiterate...my point was that prejudice such as yours exists on this board unchecked and many are blind to it. I understand completely that you either don't see it or choose to ignore it.
And there is no easier way out than refusing to take responsibility for one's own words.
again ... avoiding the point and playing victim ... it is you who is choosing to avoid responsibility ...
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I agree ...
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show me "one post" where I used the word " prejudicial hatred " and as far as reading someones constant negative bable about America this and America that gets really old..the guy sounds like a broken record and is just shy of being a troll.
Godfather.
Godfather.
Instead of carrying on like a two year old, if you have any issues with any of the criticisms made against U.S government policies, then let's hear them.
Please point me to any post or thread that claims 'America is so bad'. Thanks.
Illegal immigration to the United States is the act of foreign nationals entering the United States, without government permission and in violation of United States nationality law, or staying beyond the termination date of a visa, also in violation of the law.
The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[1] Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 56% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 22% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world.
and what of today ? how many ??
sooooo there must be something good about America and it's fredoms....right ?
and Byrnzie (speaking of 2 year old's) good morning.
Godfather.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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Yeah, it's really weird why people from poor countries want to live in rich countries. Europeans ask themselves the same question, what with Africans and people from the Middle East pouring in to Europe, and risking their lives to do so.
The again, what does any of this have to do with U.S, or British, government policies - especially foreign policies? Answer: NOTHING.
some of my fave writers are american.. some of my fave musicians are american.. some of my fave people are american... but man your government sucks.. and while ordinarily a foreign govt wouldn't be of concern to me, the american govts reach is long and somewhat damaging... and therefore I will continuen to not see eye to eye with them and those who blindly support their actions and policy.. and that includes my own govt. .
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
if not for the accident of birth...
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
let me reiterate ... it is dripping with prejudice because you choose to do so ... instead of actually addressing the point ... your reaction is simply to try and discount it because you don't like hearing it ...
again - we offer generalizations for a purpose ... they need to have relevance and they need to be true ... and yet again - saying not all americans are this or that is an absurdity of a point to make ... it is OBVIOUS that not all americans or anything otherwise you'd be all clones ...
feel free to ignore the criticisms - it's an easy way out ...
i tried to open the discussion about civil liberties and the boston explosion thread and all i got was i hated americans ...
you asked for it
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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Godfather.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I was addressing Jimmy V, not you.
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56% from Mexico. Have you seen what has been going on in that country? You wonder why they crawl through tunnels to escape for the chance at a better life?
The subject of this thread doesn't appear to be one attacking the US... yet it seems as if the chest beaters are in full defence mode. Could someone point me to the post that has the patriots feeling as if their dignity has been attacked? I think I missed it.
i saw a documentary a few years ago at hot docs where they followed some men from nicaragua on their journey to try and get into the US ... one guy basically said he makes $10 a day and would not go if he could make $15 ...
thing with all these illegal aliens is two-fold:
1. yes, opportunity for personal wealth is much greater in the US ... that cannot be argued
2. some of the barriers to gaining that wealth in their own country is the result of US policy ... perhaps if the US left latin america alone - we wouldn't see this influx ... if you look at the list of these illegal immigrants and their country of origin - you should see a parallel of cia/us involvement in that country ... mexico, guatemala, honduras, el salvador ... etc..
Not to mention the US's contribution to the intense demand for drug products that has left the country in a lawless state run by ruthless cartels.
Indeed, "prejudicial hatred" were my words and I stand by them. Hugh, after reading Polaris X's contribution yesterday do you still believe the prejudice I describe does not exist on this board?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Let me reiterate...my point was that prejudice such as yours exists on this board unchecked and many are blind to it. I understand completely that you either don't see it or choose to ignore it.
And there is no easier way out than refusing to take responsibility for one's own words.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
and by saying that,i mean if you biased against or for USA you will not change your mind..
i think the truth is somewhere in the middle..
USA isnt the best and for sure not the worst when iut comes to the 'The Land of The Free'
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Don't worry, we get it: Criticizing the U.S government = hating America.
Obviously you do not. As I stressed repeatedly, their are valid critics and valid criticisms. But go ahead, pretend that is my point.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
although i have an american girlfriend and all my american friends would agree with my viewpoints ... they also have the ability to think objectively ... sometimes that is simply too much to ask ...
what is funny is i've said waaaaaay more controversial things ... if you think yesterdays post was prejudicial hatred - i feel sorry for you ...
again ... avoiding the point and playing victim ... it is you who is choosing to avoid responsibility ...