"What we're supposed to do"

Jeanwah

“You go to school, and try really hard so that you can get into a good college, and then you try really hard at college to get a good job, and then you try really hard at your job so you can make money. And then your kids do the same thing. And everyone just keeps on doing this and no one even stops to think WHY they’re doing it anymore. Everyone just does it because it’s what you're supposed to do.” – Dylan, 12 year old



“And now here I am in a world guided by fear, a world suppressing the uniqueness that lies inside each of us, a world where we can either acquiesce to the inhuman nonsense of corporatism and materialism or insist on change. We are not enlivened by an educational system that clandestinely sets us up for jobs that could be automated, for work that need not be done, for enslavement without fervency for meaningful achievement. We have no choices in life when money is our motivational force. Our motivational force ought to be passion, but this is lost from the moment we step into a system that trains us, rather than inspires us. 



We are more than robotic bookshelves, conditioned to blurt out facts we were taught in school. We are all very special, every human on this planet is so special, so aren’t we all deserving of something better, of using our minds for innovation rather than memorization, for creativity rather than futile activity, for rumination rather than stagnation? We are not here to get a degree, to then get a job, so we can consume industry-approved placation after placation. There is more, and more still.” – Erica Goldson



Time to break the pattern.

ed243421

Best valedictorian speech ever

brianlux

Great thread, Jeanwah. Yes, time to break the pattern.

Suicidal Tendencies
Institutionalized lyrics

Sometimes I try to do things
And it just doesn't work out the way I want it to.
It's like, I try hard to do it
And I get real frustrated.
And I take my time
But it just doesn't work out the way I want it to.
It's like I concentrate on it real hard,
But it just doesn't work out.
And everything I do and everything I try,
It never turns out!
It's like, I need time to figure these things out.
There's always someone there going,
"Hey Mike, you know,
We've been noticing you've been having a lot of problems lately, you
Know.
You should maybe get away,
You'd feel a lot better."
And like, maybe you should talk about it,
Just leave me alone, I'll figure it out you know.
I go, "No, it's okay you know, I'll figure it out.
And they go, "Well, you know, if you wanna talk about it,
I'm just working on myself."
I'll be here ya know,
And you'll probably feel a lot better if ya talked about it,
So why don'tcha talk about it?!"
I go, "No! I don't want to I'm okay! I'll figure it out myself!"
But they just keep buggin' me,
They just keep buggin' me
And it builds up inside!

So you're gonna be institutionalized
You won't have any say
You'll come out brainwashed with bloodshot eyes
They'll brainwash you until you see their way

I'm not crazy - Institution
You're the one who's crazy - Institution
You're driving me crazy - Institution

They stuck me in an institution
Said it was the only solution
To protect me from the enemy, myself
To give me the needed professional help
Uh - I was in my room

But then again I was thinking about nothing.
And I was just like staring at the wall thinking 'bout everything
And then my Mom came in,
And I didn't even know she was there.
She called my name
But I didn't hear her.
Then she started screaming, "Mike, Mike!"
And I go, "What? What's the matter?"
She goes, "What's the matter with you?!"
I go, "There's nothin' wrong Mom."
She goes, "Don't tell me that, you're on drugs!"
I go, "No Mom, I'm not on drugs.
Why don't ya give me a Pepsi?"
I'm okay, I'm just thinking, you know.
I go, "Mom, I'm okay, I'm just thinking."
She goes, "No, you're on drugs!"
Normal people don't act in that way!"
She goes, "No, you're not thinking, you're on drugs!
All I want is a Pepsi."
I go, "Mom, just give me a Pepsi please,
Just one Pepsi!
And she wouldn't give it to me!
And she wouldn't give it to me!
All I wanted was a Pepsi!
Just a Pepsi!

They give you a white shirt with long sleeves
Tied around your back, you're treated like thieves
Drug you up because they're lazy
It's too much work to help a crazy

I'm not crazy - Institution
You're the one who's crazy - Institution
You're driving me crazy - Institution

They stuck me in an institution
To give me the needed professional help
Said it was the only solution
To protect me from the enemy, myself

I was sitting in my room.
My Mom and my Dad came in.
So they pull up a chair and they sat down.
They go, "Mike, we need to talk to you."
And I go, "Okay, what's the matter?"
They go, "Me and your Mom,
We've been noticing lately you've been having a lot of problems,
And you've been going off for no reason.
And we're afraid you're gonna hurt somebody,
We're afraid you're gonna hurt yourself.
So we decided that it would be in your best interest
If we put you somewhere
Where you could get the help that you need."
And I go, "Wait! What are ya talking about?!
We decided?!
My best interest?!
How can you say what my best interest is!
And what are ya trying ta say, I'm crazy?!
How do you know what my best interest is!
When I went to your schools!
I went to your churches!
I went to your institutional learning facilities!
So how can ya say I'm crazy?!

They say they're gonna fix my brain
But by the time they fix my head
Alleviate my suffering and my pain
Mentally, I'll be dead

Chorus (two verses):
I'm not crazy - Institution
You're the one who's crazy - Institution
You're driving me crazy - Institution

They stuck me in an institution
Said it was the only solution
To give me the needed professional help
To protect me from the enemy, myself

...Doesn't matter I'll probably get hit by a car anyway

Jeanwah

Break the pattern, resist following the status quo, find yourself and what makes you happy.

hedonist

I read this earlier and have been chewing on it since.

For me, it's always come down to "work to live, not live to work".

I didn't go the traditional college route, but the path I did choose has served me well in many ways.

I'm fortunate to like what I do and have it challenge me, but I put in my daily 8 or so, and leave it mostly behind when I get home. The salary I (we) earn allows for needs being met, some luxuries indulged, and donations made. Could we do with less? Of course - we have when we had to.

The white-collars don't necessarily live empty lives; some do, just as in all walks of professions. Some also enhance their non-work lives with sculpture, music, painting, exercise, tutoring, etc.

I guess it's more about your perspective.

Bah. I dunno!

End of a long day so my thoughts might be a bit muddled.

Agreed though, good thread

hedonist

Jeanwah wrote:

Break the pattern, resist following the status quo, find yourself and what makes you happy.

And! I wanted to say that bolded part was my father's credo that he encouraged my sister and me to follow.

That, and always respect and be honest with yourself

brianlux

Most of us are lucky to live in a society where, at least to some extent, we get to make choices about what we do. This is not so for most kids living in, say Zimbabwe. Despite the Horatio Alger stories, most of us in developed countries can't necessarily chose to become millionaires but we can make the choice between doing something we're not very fond of that makes us more money but doesn't give us much joy or satisfaction or doing something we like that makes us less money but brings us more happiness and satisfaction. But given the choice between being dirt poor and out of work, living high on the hog doing work I don't like and living modestly doing something I like very much, (and I've been in all three places) I eventually chose the latter- living on a modest income doing something I like. I always encourage kids to find what makes them happy because in the long run (short of being dirt poor, which sucks) that's what keeps you going.

catefrances

the rules of our society were made up by men. I say fuck that ill do what I want, not what you want me to do. or as has been so eloquently stated by someone smarter than me... fuck you i wont do what you tell me.

BinauralJam

catefrances wrote:

the rules of our society were made up by men. I say fuck that ill do what I want, not what you want me to do. or as has been so eloquently stated by someone smarter than me... fuck you i wont do what you tell me.

Pass the buck much?, Women havn't played their part? bullshit.

catefrances

BinauralJam wrote:

catefrances wrote:

the rules of our society were made up by men. I say fuck that ill do what I want, not what you want me to do. or as has been so eloquently stated by someone smarter than me... fuck you i wont do what you tell me.

Pass the buck much?, Women havn't played their part? bullshit.

not passing the buck... just looking back through history and calling it as I see it. we live in a patriarchal society and we always have.

BinauralJam

catefrances wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

catefrances wrote:

the rules of our society were made up by men. I say fuck that ill do what I want, not what you want me to do. or as has been so eloquently stated by someone smarter than me... fuck you i wont do what you tell me.

Pass the buck much?, Women havn't played their part? bullshit.

not passing the buck... just looking back through history and calling it as I see it. we live in a patriarchal society and we always have.

with women whispering in theirs ears morning noon and night .

catefrances

BinauralJam wrote:

catefrances wrote:

not passing the buck... just looking back through history and calling it as I see it. we live in a patriarchal society and we always have.

with women whispering in theirs ears morning noon and night .

aah the adam defence. poor poor impotent men unable to make their own decisions. :roll:

BinauralJam

catefrances wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

catefrances wrote:

not passing the buck... just looking back through history and calling it as I see it. we live in a patriarchal society and we always have.

with women whispering in theirs ears morning noon and night .

aah the adam defence. poor poor impotent men unable to make their own decisions. :roll:

i believe the word is manipulation.

BinauralJam

Not unheard of

Jeanwah

Great. Because people can't live without being negative, we must clog one of the few positive and out of the box threads with the toxicity. How about staying on topic, or starting (another) negative thread, guys?

catefrances

Jeanwah wrote:

Great. Because people can't live without being negative, we must clog one of the few positive and out of the box threads with the toxicity. How about staying on topic, or starting (another) negative thread, guys?

my initial post was in sync with the topic at hand. I wasn't about being negative I was about stating the obvious and saying ill live how I want, not how they want me to.

Jeanwah

catefrances wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Great. Because people can't live without being negative, we must clog one of the few positive and out of the box threads with the toxicity. How about staying on topic, or starting (another) negative thread, guys?

my original post was in sync with the topic at hand. I wasn't about being negative I was about stating the obvious and saying ill live how I want, not how they want me to.

I know, it just got carried off in another direction; different topic altogether.

mookeywrench

Hate to break it to this valedictorian, but just because you have a nice job doesn't mean your life is empty and souless nor does it mean you're obsessed with money. And the majority of those inhumane, nonsensical, corporations became successful by bucking the trends and celebrating innovation, uniqueness and people following their passions.

My speech; Life is what you make it. Concern yourself with living out your own experiences rather than bad mouthing the way you only think others are living theirs.

catefrances

Jeanwah wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Great. Because people can't live without being negative, we must clog one of the few positive and out of the box threads with the toxicity. How about staying on topic, or starting (another) negative thread, guys?

my original post was in sync with the topic at hand. I wasn't about being negative I was about stating the obvious and saying ill live how I want, not how they want me to.

I know, it just got carried off in another direction; different topic altogether.

I do think that how our society was formed, and who formed its rules does have something to do with what "were supposed to do".

brianlux

"Our motivational force ought to be passion".

That statement from Jeanwah's first post says it clearly and simply. This may not be true for everyone- I don't know- but I get the idea of living for one's passion (or passions) and doing so not wanting to go back but finding yourself going back anyway and feeling lost and then finding the passion again and then staying with it, staying with it, staying with it. Yeah. Life without the passion is a world without song.

catefrances

brianlux wrote:

"Our motivational force ought to be passion".

That statement from Jeanwah's first post says it clearly and simply. This may not be true for everyone- I don't know- but I get the idea of living for one's passion (or passions) and doing so not wanting to go back but finding yourself going back anyway and feeling lost and then finding the passion again and then staying with it, staying with it, staying with it. Yeah. Life without the passion is a world without song.

agree. I find it incredibly difficult to do anything I have no passion for. but there are things I do have a passion for that I need to find more time for. I also need to find some focus cause im terribly undisciplined.