Accused bomber was on welfare.

dimitrispearljam

polaris_x wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

sure,i thought that possibility..maybe its just me..how i would think..
i mean,if i left my country for something better,i would try to be one with the locals,learn their way of life,try to be one with the society..
if i had this anger inside me,i would go back in my country..
so many people from other countries go to usa to live..and i guess most of them after years become almost Americans and for sure dont puting bombs

well ... i don't know for sure ... but it looks like their mother or father took them to the states ... they didn't necessarily choose it themselves ...

thats was the idea of my post..how mom and dad was ok with the country,american life and the boys wasnt?strange..seems to me,hate start from their family first..

Leezestarr313

Just re: Immigrants should not receive welfare ...
As an immigrant, you are usually not eligible for welfare. When you come here, you have to have a sponsor who has to sign the so-called affidavit of support. The sponsor has to prove that he earns 125% above the poverty line and ensure that the immigrant will not apply for means-tested public benefits. If he does, the sponsor will have to pay for this. If he cannot do it, he can get sued by the agency. This sponsorship only ends when the immigrant becomes an American citizen or can be credited with 40 quarters of work (10 years, I think), or if the sponsor or immigrant dies.

josevolution

dimitrispearljam wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Yes it sucks that he was collecting as so many others do that also committ crimes everyday , but i ask again would it make you feel any better if this creep was a contributing citizen and still committed this crime ...To me the bottom line is 4 people died because of these two criminals ...

i think Jose,this type of crimes,when reminds terrorist attacks gets more attention at the media..
and the poolice of course..if a guy from a gang shoot and kill 5 people of another gang,no one will pay that much of attention..

Oh i hear you , and the attention that this is getting is warranted ..And the fact that the welfare aspect of it is more important to people than the issue of how did they acquire their weapons to me is a bit puzzleing ..

dimitrispearljam

Leezestarr313 wrote:

Just re: Immigrants should not receive welfare ...
As an immigrant, you are usually not eligible for welfare. When you come here, you have to have a sponsor who has to sign the so-called affidavit of support. The sponsor has to prove that he earns 125% above the poverty line and ensure that the immigrant will not apply for means-tested public benefits. If he does, the sponsor will have to pay for this. If he cannot do it, he can get sued by the agency. This sponsorship only ends when the immigrant becomes an American citizen or can be credited with 40 quarters of work (10 years, I think), or if the sponsor or immigrant dies.

i was planning to pm you to ask you infos about that..like you knew and post this

pandora

josevolution wrote:

Yes it sucks that he was collecting as so many others do that also committ crimes everyday , but i ask again would it make you feel any better if this creep was a contributing citizen and still committed this crime ...To me the bottom line is 4 people died because of these two criminals ...

I would feel less shit on as a taxpaying American yes ...
it's the fucking icing on the cake he was collecting a government check
this foreign piece of shit.
And no I'm not racist I can differentiate between shit and non shit.
Hey maybe I actually paid for that pressure cooker with my blood sweat and tears
as a hard working American.

Sometimes the irony in this life can really make one physically ill.
I bury my head and cry at the same time my blood boils. I swear the world has gone crazy.

polaris_x

dimitrispearljam wrote:

thats was the idea of my post..how mom and dad was ok with the country,american life and the boys wasnt?strange..seems to me,hate start from their family first..

well ... mom and dad don't live in the states anymore ...

dimitrispearljam

josevolution wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Yes it sucks that he was collecting as so many others do that also committ crimes everyday , but i ask again would it make you feel any better if this creep was a contributing citizen and still committed this crime ...To me the bottom line is 4 people died because of these two criminals ...

i think Jose,this type of crimes,when reminds terrorist attacks gets more attention at the media..
and the poolice of course..if a guy from a gang shoot and kill 5 people of another gang,no one will pay that much of attention..

Oh i hear you , and the attention that this is getting is warranted ..And the fact that the welfare aspect of it is more important to people than the issue of how did they acquire their weapons to me is a bit puzzleing ..

exactly...no one mention anything where the fuck found the weapons,how made the bombs etc...i dont get it bro...
fuck...get a gun .kill somoene must more easy and faster than wait in the line to get a burger

Leezestarr313

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Leezestarr313 wrote:

Just re: Immigrants should not receive welfare ...
As an immigrant, you are usually not eligible for welfare. When you come here, you have to have a sponsor who has to sign the so-called affidavit of support. The sponsor has to prove that he earns 125% above the poverty line and ensure that the immigrant will not apply for means-tested public benefits. If he does, the sponsor will have to pay for this. If he cannot do it, he can get sued by the agency. This sponsorship only ends when the immigrant becomes an American citizen or can be credited with 40 quarters of work (10 years, I think), or if the sponsor or immigrant dies.

i was planning to pm you to ask you infos about that..like you knew and post this

A lot of people really don't have a clue how hard it actually is to immigrate to the US. It's not just "apply, pack and leave". My immigration process took roughly a year, and we breezed through. Other people are stuck for years in administrative processes, families are disrupted and almost harrassed by the authorities who want to know everything. And it is expensive too. You cannot apply for citizenship right away either.
Also, adjustment is not easy for everybody. Even I as an immigrant from Germany sometimes struggle with the cultural differences. That doesn't mean that I will become a murderer or terrorist though.

unsung

Maybe someone gave it to them, assuming that even though we don't have specifics. I'll bet at some point they will have an "assault weapon", but that's another topic.

JimmyV

josevolution wrote:

Oh i hear you , and the attention that this is getting is warranted ..And the fact that the welfare aspect of it is more important to people than the issue of how did they acquire their weapons to me is a bit puzzleing ..

The bombs and weapons aspects are getting quite a bit of interest too. I believe the explosives may have come from New Hampshire and were originally fireworks. The guns could have come from anywhere, sadly.

hedonist

This kid (and his brother) became American citizens, no?

I've got a hankering for NIN's The Hand that Feeds.......... :think:

unsung

The younger one was, the older was not.

the wolf

pandora wrote:

this foreign piece of shit.
And no I'm not racist I can differentiate between shit and non shit.

yet you still had to throw in the word foreign?

I'm not coming down on you here, I get what your saying.
It's just your wording sometimes,... most will take offense to this.

badbrains

the wolf wrote:

pandora wrote:

this foreign piece of shit.
And no I'm not racist I can differentiate between shit and non shit.

yet you still had to throw in the word foreign?

I'm not coming down on you here, I get what your saying.
It's just your wording sometimes,... most will take offense to this.

Exactly Wolf, mite have to report her to Kat cuz that offended me..... :nono:

the wolf

badbrains wrote:

the wolf wrote:

pandora wrote:

this foreign piece of shit.
And no I'm not racist I can differentiate between shit and non shit.

yet you still had to throw in the word foreign?

I'm not coming down on you here, I get what your saying.
It's just your wording sometimes,... most will take offense to this.

Exactly Wolf, mite have to report her to Kat cuz that offended me..... :nono:

Sometimes we Americans forget that there are people from all over the world posting here,
I'll admit in the past i would sometimes forget. I'm thinking,.. American Band, American fans yeah?

My point is this... I don't think Pandora was being a racist, but by choosing to use the words "foreign piece of shit" she most likely DID in fact offend some people that are not Americans.

It's unfortunate that some will never understand that though.

josevolution

JimmyV wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Oh i hear you , and the attention that this is getting is warranted ..And the fact that the welfare aspect of it is more important to people than the issue of how did they acquire their weapons to me is a bit puzzleing ..

The bombs and weapons aspects are getting quite a bit of interest too. I believe the explosives may have come from New Hampshire and were originally fireworks. The guns could have come from anywhere, sadly.

You are correct ..

Who Princess

Leezestarr313 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Leezestarr313 wrote:

Just re: Immigrants should not receive welfare ...
As an immigrant, you are usually not eligible for welfare. When you come here, you have to have a sponsor who has to sign the so-called affidavit of support. The sponsor has to prove that he earns 125% above the poverty line and ensure that the immigrant will not apply for means-tested public benefits. If he does, the sponsor will have to pay for this. If he cannot do it, he can get sued by the agency. This sponsorship only ends when the immigrant becomes an American citizen or can be credited with 40 quarters of work (10 years, I think), or if the sponsor or immigrant dies.

i was planning to pm you to ask you infos about that..like you knew and post this

A lot of people really don't have a clue how hard it actually is to immigrate to the US. It's not just "apply, pack and leave". My immigration process took roughly a year, and we breezed through. Other people are stuck for years in administrative processes, families are disrupted and almost harrassed by the authorities who want to know everything. And it is expensive too. You cannot apply for citizenship right away either.
Also, adjustment is not easy for everybody. Even I as an immigrant from Germany sometimes struggle with the cultural differences. That doesn't mean that I will become a murderer or terrorist though.

THANK YOU.

I was about to post something about how very few of the so-called "entitlement" programs (or welfare) are available to immigrants. More services are available to people designated as refugees, because they have fled a difficult situation and are at a greater disadvantage.

This guy wasn't a citizen but he was a resident alien with an American wife and child. Some benefits will vary from state to state but sometimes people are eligible because there is a U.S. citizen in the family.

Contrary to popular belief, it's pretty tough to come to the U.S. and "mooch" off it. Like Leeze said, it's not the motivation to come here for immigrants. Usually something like a better life.

MotoDC

Leezestarr313 wrote:

Just re: Immigrants should not receive welfare ...
As an immigrant, you are usually not eligible for welfare. When you come here, you have to have a sponsor who has to sign the so-called affidavit of support. The sponsor has to prove that he earns 125% above the poverty line and ensure that the immigrant will not apply for means-tested public benefits. If he does, the sponsor will have to pay for this. If he cannot do it, he can get sued by the agency. This sponsorship only ends when the immigrant becomes an American citizen or can be credited with 40 quarters of work (10 years, I think), or if the sponsor or immigrant dies.

Get your damnable facts outta this here thread! :arrow:

JimmyV

A lot of good points here on why benefits should be extended to legal immigrants. But there also is something to the idea that if you are going to come here you should be expected to contribute. A lot of gray area on both sides.

badbrains

Nah Mr Wolf, she's a racist. Statement she made was pretty clear. "Foreign piece of shit" says it all. :roll: