Humans need education plain and simple.
Its a cop out to not look at why we have gangs, criminals, seriously mentally ill people untreated.
So much easier to blame it on guns than our failure to help our humans who are suffering
and causing suffering.
Until we can repair people we need guns. Until we remove violence from our society people
will want guns to protect themselves and loved ones.
All the energy going into banning guns should be going into helping humans
be better to each other and towards leading a better life.
I have never read a more fearful statement on the forum.
i don't NEED a fucking gun.
that post underscores the level of paranoia in this country.
we are not a culture of violence. we are a culture of paranoia and fear. fox news, and churches, and the right wing media are the direct cause of that fear and paranoia.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I have never read a more fearful statement on the forum.
Unbelievable, eh? At this point it is abundantly clear that some simply cannot or will not budge from their stance that their country needs to be heavily armed for the threat that exists within their country.
From my perspective... there is a better way to live. I enjoy the piece of mind I have knowing there are no assault rifles available for purchase. I appreciate the steps my country has taken to safeguard my children by implementing a rigid process to purchase guns. I am so glad that the overwhelming majority of my countrymen share the same mentality as me.
I guess I should apologize for my desire for citizens of the US to share the same piece of mind. If you are truly happy being in such a distrustful state or that your love for guns and shooting supersedes the need to be at peace... then I guess I should just accept this as a fundamental difference between our two countries and leave you to your desired way of life.
that post underscores the level of paranoia in this country.
we are not a culture of violence. we are a culture of paranoia and fear. fox news, and churches, and the right wing media are the direct cause of that fear and paranoia.
irrational paranoia was around long before there was a right wing media. They just capitalize.
But just as you say paranoia and fear are driving gun ownership, it is also paranoia and fear that is driving calls for gun control as well. We are going to ban the weapons that are responsible for less than 1 percent of all gun homicides. How is that rational? How is that addressing a problem in any meaningful way?
Either ban them all or let them be. Better background checks and possible civil/criminal liability for gun shops who sell the weapons used in a crime directly to the criminal would do far more to curb irresponsible gun sales than any sort of selective weapons ban.
Hope the victims here make a speedy recovery.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
irrational paranoia was around long before there was a right wing media. They just capitalize.
But just as you say paranoia and fear are driving gun ownership, it is also paranoia and fear that is driving calls for gun control as well. We are going to ban the weapons that are responsible for less than 1 percent of all gun homicides. How is that rational? How is that addressing a problem in any meaningful way?
Either ban them all or let them be. Better background checks and possible civil/criminal liability for gun shops who sell the weapons used in a crime directly to the criminal would do far more to curb irresponsible gun sales than any sort of selective weapons ban.
Hope the victims here make a speedy recovery.
your second paragraph is all well and good, but you have a republican threat of a filibuster in the senate, and if it does pass, it may be DOA in the house because, and yeah i will say it, republicans feel that those changes infringe on the 2nd amendment.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I have never read a more fearful statement on the forum.
i don't NEED a fucking gun.
that post underscores the level of paranoia in this country.
we are not a culture of violence. we are a culture of paranoia and fear. fox news, and churches, and the right wing media are the direct cause of that fear and paranoia.
good for you gimmie no one is forcing you to have one!
yeah right wing media is killing my neighbors :? :wtf: is that your answer to everything?
Every 22 seconds someone is victimized by violent crime in the US.
I want to be self reliant and prepared. My choice.
Desperate people do desperate things as we saw yesterday here in Atlanta.
Be prepared for many more individuals who are desperate. Many more angry.
Many more who feel cheated and feel there is no justice.
The paranoia lies with those so fearful of guns. So reliant on someone else to take care of them,
to protect them. We can protect ourselves well unless we are afraid. The criminals
don't seem to be afraid. Funny how that works. Perhaps desperation actually brings
some moments of bravery while cushy ass lives make cushy ass people.
I sincerely hope you never need a gun Gimmie,
that you are not one of the people victimized every 22 seconds.
Or maybe you will just allow victimization.
And I guess from my post this is what you take... not helping people but just taking away guns :fp:
I guess I was right then
Perhaps desperation actually brings
some moments of bravery while cushy ass lives make cushy ass people.
You know, at times I'm able to see where you're coming from; may not agree yet get the gist...but that statement up there? What exactly is a "cushy ass life"? Who's living that?
Those who haven't been subjected to facing the barrel of a gun, or raped, or beaten, or robbed, or out of money, are somehow leading lives of ignorant bliss? Not acting "brave" in other facets of life?
C'mon now.
Your post contradicts itself, as desperation *also* actually brings some moments of utter stupidity and violence...like the idiot in GA yesterday, as you mentioned. Holding people hostage is not brave at all.
irrational paranoia was around long before there was a right wing media. They just capitalize.
But just as you say paranoia and fear are driving gun ownership, it is also paranoia and fear that is driving calls for gun control as well. We are going to ban the weapons that are responsible for less than 1 percent of all gun homicides. How is that rational? How is that addressing a problem in any meaningful way?
Either ban them all or let them be. Better background checks and possible civil/criminal liability for gun shops who sell the weapons used in a crime directly to the criminal would do far more to curb irresponsible gun sales than any sort of selective weapons ban.
Hope the victims here make a speedy recovery.
your second paragraph is all well and good, but you have a republican threat of a filibuster in the senate, and if it does pass, it may be DOA in the house because, and yeah i will say it, republicans feel that those changes infringe on the 2nd amendment.
you are right about that. The republicans have done whatever they can to make sure this doesn't go through. If gun control was this important to people prior to a bunch of little kids getting shot in Connecticut it should have been done when they had control in Obama's first term. It wasn't that important to them then, so why is it so important now. The problem of gun violence doesn't rest solely at the feet of the GOP.
in the end we will find out in 2014 how important the american people think gun control is...I don't think this form of congress will do shit about any changes. I don't think more thorough background checks at gun shows and on internet sales infringes on the 2nd amendment in any meaningful way, and we both know how I feel the constitution
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Harry "Backed by the NRA" Reid took the assault rifle ban off the table ... Actually he took it out of the kitchen before it could even get to the table .... Yet all the cries of foul lay at the feet of the GOP ...
good for you gimmie no one is forcing you to have one!
yeah right wing media is killing my neighbors :? :wtf: is that your answer to everything?
Every 22 seconds someone is victimized by violent crime in the US.
I want to be self reliant and prepared. My choice.
Desperate people do desperate things as we saw yesterday here in Atlanta.
Be prepared for many more individuals who are desperate. Many more angry.
Many more who feel cheated and feel there is no justice.
The paranoia lies with those so fearful of guns. So reliant on someone else to take care of them,
to protect them. We can protect ourselves well unless we are afraid. The criminals
don't seem to be afraid. Funny how that works. Perhaps desperation actually brings
some moments of bravery while cushy ass lives make cushy ass people.
I sincerely hope you never need a gun Gimmie,
that you are not one of the people victimized every 22 seconds.
Or maybe you will just allow victimization.
And I guess from my post this is what you take... not helping people but just taking away guns :fp:
I guess I was right then
so are you saying that you have been paranoid and fearful for your whole life up until just recently?
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Harry "Backed by the NRA" Reid took the assault rifle ban off the table ... Actually he took it out of the kitchen before it could even get to the table .... Yet all the cries of foul lay at the feet of the GOP ...
Perhaps desperation actually brings
some moments of bravery while cushy ass lives make cushy ass people.
You know, at times I'm able to see where you're coming from; may not agree yet get the gist...but that statement up there? What exactly is a "cushy ass life"? Who's living that?
Those who haven't been subjected to facing the barrel of a gun, or raped, or beaten, or robbed, or out of money, are somehow leading lives of ignorant bliss? Not acting "brave" in other facets of life?
C'mon now.
Your post contradicts itself, as desperation *also* actually brings some moments of utter stupidity and violence...like the idiot in GA yesterday, as you mentioned. Holding people hostage is not brave at all.
thank you.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Harry "Backed by the NRA" Reid took the assault rifle ban off the table ... Actually he took it out of the kitchen before it could even get to the table .... Yet all the cries of foul lay at the feet of the GOP ...
Open your eyes ...
:shock:
not so fast there jason. the nra has vowed to hold any politician that votes for these restrictions accountable. most of them with A ratings from the nra are republicans. it is in their own self interest to vote against restrictions because it will cost them dearly in the next election.
and i agree with you about reid. he is a cowardly piece of shit. he had the chance to change senate rules and revamp the filibuster only to do nothing at the last minute.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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We are going to ban the weapons that are responsible for less than 1 percent of all gun homicides. How is that rational? How is that addressing a problem in any meaningful way?
I'm one that would like to see an answer to this question.
We are going to ban the weapons that are responsible for less than 1 percent of all gun homicides. How is that rational? How is that addressing a problem in any meaningful way?
I'm one that would like to see an answer to this question.
Im willing to admit it sounds silly when you put it like that. But 1% is a statistic that doesnt reflect the fact that we have SO MANY gun homicides, that 1% is still too much. In just the past year, dozens of KIDS died because of AR-15s.
Personally, just as machine guns are illegal, I simply dont see a purpose for everyday citizens owning guns that were designed for the military.
To me, just as much as gun advocates are defending their rights to AR-15s, they should be screaming that they want machine guns and Uzis made legal too.
Im willing to admit it sounds silly when you put it like that. But 1% is a statistic that doesnt reflect the fact that we have SO MANY gun homicides, that 1% is still too much. In just the past year, dozens of KIDS died because of AR-15s.
dozens vs thousands.
assault rifles vs. hand guns
sorry, a banning of these weapons is political theater only. IT scores HUGE points for those that defend the ban and those that oppose it among their respective bases. It will do nothing to curb gun violence.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
sorry, a banning of these weapons is political theater only. IT scores HUGE points for those that defend the ban and those that oppose it among their respective bases. It will do nothing to curb gun violence.
I agree with you to a degree. I think there are still people who think you can do less damage with a handgun.
If you just take Colorado and Ct shootings as an example, substitute a handgun for an AR-15, you dont think it would be less effective?
I live extremely close to that Lone Star campus. 70% of my co workers attend school there. On april 9th, I was covering a shift for someone else that was sick.
It was about 10:15 am. I felt so sick, It was food poisoning. The rule is that if your sick You have to find a person to cover for you. I called about ten people, and some called back and said they were going into class and some did not call back. Most of them attend classes in that section of the campus the health sciences.
Well after no luck the shift supervisor tells me I can just go home. I'm feeling dizzy so I drive slowly home.
I didn't notice all the ambulances. I get home and turn on the TV to just relax and rest.
On every channel was live coverage of the road I had just driven past. I called my Manager to tell him what was going on and that some people might be late because the campus was on lock down. He replied that it was irresponsible that I couldn't find any one to cover my shift. :fp:
That red headed freaky guy (he looks like a chubby Carrot Top) used a KNIFE to injured 16 people and 7 on them had to be Life Flight® -ed to the hospitals.
The shooting a few months earlier was un related at the same college at a different campus and no one was seriously injured except the suspect/shooter.
I really don't get this. I think they should just close all the Lone Star campuses at this point. They clearly won't have a big freshman population next semester.
Thank you for letting share my story.
I still don't know yet if anyone I know was hurt, but bad news travels fast . I haven't heard anything.
Perhaps desperation actually brings
some moments of bravery while cushy ass lives make cushy ass people.
You know, at times I'm able to see where you're coming from; may not agree yet get the gist...but that statement up there? What exactly is a "cushy ass life"? Who's living that?
Those who haven't been subjected to facing the barrel of a gun, or raped, or beaten, or robbed, or out of money, are somehow leading lives of ignorant bliss? Not acting "brave" in other facets of life?
C'mon now.
Your post contradicts itself, as desperation *also* actually brings some moments of utter stupidity and violence...like the idiot in GA yesterday, as you mentioned. Holding people hostage is not brave at all.
No I wasn't talking about those who have not been victimized. I was talking about the mentality
I get from some who say just move if it's violent by you :? Atlanta crime isn't THAT bad :?
or Fox news is to blame and you are paranoid...
dismissing real people with real life threats ... this from their safe homes.
Dismissing the victims and saying they do not need to defend themselves.
What about the people who can't move? What about this desperate fella here in
Atlanta that wanted the world to know his desperation?
What about all the good people who fall on very hard lives and then the cushy cushy
lucky people look the other way?
The people who don't even have to lock their doors telling others you can not own a gun.
The fella here yesterday, he knew he was going to die. He chose those hostages, the fireman because he knew they would not have guns. He admitted so, then made his demands, ate his last meal and took a lot of bullets.
Thank God the good guys are ok but I ask myself what made him a bad guy?
And how many more will we be seeing?
No of course he was not brave he only tried to get the word out.
He tried to show people just how bad life sucks for some people. Idiot ...
I guess thats how you feel about desperate people.
Walk a mile in a pair of desperate shoes that have lost their job, house, family.
Not a lot to live for then, not a lot of good common sense left either.
Good thing he's dead now. One less idiot to worry about.
There will be plenty more and I will be prepared and the cushy cushy will watch from afar
shaking their heads saying take away the guns that's the answer. That's the easy answer.
Until they are one of the every 22 seconds victim, they may understand a little better but
you know ... and maybe not.
I really don't get this. I think they should just close all the Lone Star campuses at this point. They clearly won't have a big freshman population next semester.
Sorry this hit so close to home for you; it must've been surreal and scary.
But, the two incidents strike me as anomalies; why close the campuses - what purpose would it serve?
No of course he was not brave he only tried to get the word out.
He tried to show people just how bad life sucks for some people. Idiot ...
I guess thats how you feel about desperate people.
Walk a mile in a pair of desperate shoes that have lost their job, house, family.
Not a lot to live for then, not a lot of good common sense left either.
Good thing he's dead now. One less idiot to worry about.
There will be plenty more and I will be prepared and the cushy cushy will watch from afar
shaking their heads saying take away the guns that's the answer. That's the easy answer.
Until they are one of the every 22 seconds victim, they may understand a little better but
you know ... and maybe not.
Please don't guess as to my feelings. It's an inappropriate (*edited) assumption to make.
I have known - and DO know - people who've fallen on hard times of all kinds. I've been there myself.
Never, ever, would I consider taking hostages to "get the word out". Putting the lives of others at risk in the process? A fake call for help to lure firefighters to your crusade?
Yup, an idiot. In fact, a bloomin' idiot, and then some.
I really don't get this. I think they should just close all the Lone Star campuses at this point. They clearly won't have a big freshman population next semester.
Sorry this hit so close to home for you; it must've been surreal and scary.
But, the two incidents strike me as anomalies; why close the campuses - what purpose would it serve?
It's not surreal or scary. I lived in Florida or Texas my whole life. I say close the campuses because, I know I'm not going to enroll any day soon. If I did, because tuition is the cheapest at Lone Star, I would attend online classes.
His motives are still unclear.
It seems to always end up being emotional problems with in the person that go unnoticed or disregarded.
If guns or weapons are banned all together, it's easier to get one on the black market.
ex. Moonshine, marijuana , prostitution.
I'm sorry to those kids that had their faces sliced open. I saw one being put on a stretcher to be airlifted to Memorial Herman. It made me sick. His or Her whole face was wrapped in bloody gauze and it was live on the news before noon. I don't mean to be graphic.
No of course he was not brave he only tried to get the word out.
He tried to show people just how bad life sucks for some people. Idiot ...
I guess thats how you feel about desperate people.
Walk a mile in a pair of desperate shoes that have lost their job, house, family.
Not a lot to live for then, not a lot of good common sense left either.
Good thing he's dead now. One less idiot to worry about.
There will be plenty more and I will be prepared and the cushy cushy will watch from afar
shaking their heads saying take away the guns that's the answer. That's the easy answer.
Until they are one of the every 22 seconds victim, they may understand a little better but
you know ... and maybe not.
Please don't guess as to my feelings. It's an inappropriate (*edited) assumption to make.
I have known - and DO know - people who've fallen on hard times of all kinds. I've been there myself.
Never, ever, would I consider taking hostages to "get the word out". Putting the lives of others at risk in the process? A fake call for help to lure firefighters to your crusade?
Yup, an idiot. In fact, a bloomin' idiot, and then some.
You were quite open with your feelings left nothing to assume or guess.
This attitude solves nothing for the next person who is desperate
but yes it is very common. "I'll look at this guy and judge him based on who I am,
what I have experienced."
I guess we can just say you are better than this guy. That your family friends are better
than this idiot. That must make you feel good. I would rather understand
and look at the whys and hows to prevent more like him.
He was desperate and wanted his life back one more time. They wouldn't say what
his last demand was, they wouldn't fulfill it and thats when SWAT went in.
I bet it was his family he wanted if only for a moment.
My point in this story is crime and desperation are going to increase
unless we can get people back to work. Get people back into homes. Get people help for on going mental illness and depression.
The smug people who don't experience what others have to won't even
try to understand their needs. They base what everyone should need on what they need,
how they cope, what they feel. The gun owners are not asking people to buy a gun
live like us, we are only saying I'm keeping the right protected.
Side note that was our neighborhood when we moved to GA 22 years ago.
I heard a person on the radio say... he grew up near there and remembers a peaceful
hometown little Suwanee. Me too, a great place to raise your kids.
Just like Lauren Brown did. Look at him now.
Please don't guess as to my feelings. It's an inappropriate (*edited) assumption to make.
I have known - and DO know - people who've fallen on hard times of all kinds. I've been there myself.
Never, ever, would I consider taking hostages to "get the word out". Putting the lives of others at risk in the process? A fake call for help to lure firefighters to your crusade?
Yup, an idiot. In fact, a bloomin' idiot, and then some.
You were quite open with your feelings left nothing to assume or guess.
This attitude solves nothing for the next person who is desperate
but yes it is very common. "I'll look at this guy and judge him based on who I am,
what I have experienced."
I guess we can just say you are better than this guy. That your family friends are better
than this idiot. That must make you feel good. I would rather understand
and look at the whys and hows to prevent more like him.
He was desperate and wanted his life back one more time. They wouldn't say what
his last demand was, they wouldn't fulfill it and thats when SWAT went in.
I bet it was his family he wanted if only for a moment.
My point in this story is crime and desperation are going to increase
unless we can get people back to work. Get people back into homes. Get people help for on going mental illness and depression.
The smug people who don't experience what others have to won't even
try to understand their needs. They base what everyone should need on what they need,
how they cope, what they feel. The gun owners are not asking people to buy a gun
live like us, we are only saying I'm keeping the right protected.
Side note that was our neighborhood when we moved to GA 22 years ago.
I heard a person on the radio say... he grew up near there and remembers a peaceful
hometown little Suwanee. Me too, a great place to raise your kids.
Just like Lauren Brown did. Look at him now.
Great insight. Thanks for your (misguided) assessment of me.
We are going to ban the weapons that are responsible for less than 1 percent of all gun homicides. How is that rational? How is that addressing a problem in any meaningful way?
I'm one that would like to see an answer to this question.
For the record... I have encouraged a ban on assault rifles and very strict criteria to make one eligible for a handgun. Other than the law or bonded security, ranchers, hunters or trappers with squeaky clean histories might be the types suitable for such a gun (off the top of my head).
I hold the opinion that there is no need for any civilian to possess an AK-47. As fun as they might be... they are simply too deadly and effective for creating mass carnage in short time. Why place people at such risk when other guns can provide for the needs of people desiring one. If it's protection a person truly wants... let me suggest a shotgun: big time stopping power more than capable of home protection.
Handguns- so easily concealed and so easy to handle- serve very little purpose for the average citizen and are clearly the weapon of choice for murderers. There is no denying this fact. Lynyrd Skynyrd had it right talking about a Saturday Night Special:
Hand guns are made for killin'
Ain't no good for nothin' else
And if you like your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why don't we dump 'em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me
Great song. Great song.
But as I said in one of my last posts... it doesn't really seem that there is a true will to address the glaring problem the US has with gun violence. I do wish the country the best- they border mine. It's sad to hear of the mass shootings and look at the gross statistics, but if they are okay with them... then so be it.
I spend the majority of my time on this forum and then the Other Music forum. I really need a Pearl Jam tour so I can feel a pull to the Porch and Given to Fly forums. Maybe there, Unsung (or some other 'opponent') and I can agree on a bootleg or a poster or something. I feel the never ending gun issue has done a really good job of dividing this community. I'm clearly partly responsible for some of that divide. Sorry for any hard feelings that might exist from my well-intended arguments.
For the record... I have encouraged a ban on assault rifles and very strict criteria to make one eligible for a handgun. Other than the law or bonded security, ranchers, hunters or trappers with squeaky clean histories might be the types suitable for such a gun (off the top of my head).
I hold the opinion that there is no need for any civilian to possess an AK-47. As fun as they might be... they are simply too deadly and effective for creating mass carnage in short time. Why place people at such risk when other guns can provide for the needs of people desiring one. If it's protection a person truly wants... let me suggest a shotgun: big time stopping power more than capable of home protection.
Handguns- so easily concealed and so easy to handle- serve very little purpose for the average citizen and are clearly the weapon of choice for murderers. There is no denying this fact. Lynyrd Skynyrd had it right talking about a Saturday Night Special:
Hand guns are made for killin'
Ain't no good for nothin' else
And if you like your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why don't we dump 'em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me
Great song. Great song.
But as I said in one of my last posts... it doesn't really seem that there is a true will to address the glaring problem the US has with gun violence. I do wish the country the best- they border mine. It's sad to hear of the mass shootings and look at the gross statistics, but if they are okay with them... then so be it.
I spend the majority of my time on this forum and then the Other Music forum. I really need a Pearl Jam tour so I can feel a pull to the Porch and Given to Fly forums. Maybe there, Unsung (or some other 'opponent') and I can agree on a bootleg or a poster or something. I feel the never ending gun issue has done a really good job of dividing this community. I'm clearly partly responsible for some of that divide. Sorry for any hard feelings that might exist from my well-intended arguments.
I haven't followed this thread at all, and generally stay clear of gun threads because they depress me. This post has been one the very few that come close to how I feel about the issue though. The issue is constantly being jumped to conclusions. What needs to be done is a step taken back and looking for real solutions, real solutions, using a clear head and creative thinking. I seriously think that in order for that to happen, perhaps not thinking about the topic for a while and allowing dust to settle would bring new solutions to an (seemingly old) problem.
I haven't followed this thread at all, and generally stay clear of gun threads because they depress me. This post has been one the very few that come close to how I feel about the issue though. The issue is constantly being jumped to conclusions. What needs to be done is a step taken back and looking for real solutions, real solutions, using a clear head and creative thinking. I seriously think that in order for that to happen, perhaps not thinking about the topic for a while and allowing dust to settle would bring new solutions to an (seemingly old) problem.
I wish the dust would settle. But It keeps happening blocks from my house.
These problems are problems of my community. Most rather ignore it until it's too late.
We need to spread Good Vibes and be accepting of everyone. If I see someone acting out of character or seriously mentally ill, I sure as heck try my best. Weapons are harmless without opposable thumbs.
Mental Health Care needs improvement, and that is not my field.
No I wasn't talking about those who have not been victimized. I was talking about the mentality
I get from some who say just move if it's violent by you :? Atlanta crime isn't THAT bad :?
or Fox news is to blame and you are paranoid...
dismissing real people with real life threats ... this from their safe homes.
:fp:
it's like I'm talking to a squirrel. Time to move on from this utter nonsense.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
No I wasn't talking about those who have not been victimized. I was talking about the mentality
I get from some who say just move if it's violent by you :? Atlanta crime isn't THAT bad :?
or Fox news is to blame and you are paranoid...
dismissing real people with real life threats ... this from their safe homes.
:fp:
it's like I'm talking to a squirrel. Time to move on from this utter nonsense.
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Its a cop out to not look at why we have gangs, criminals, seriously mentally ill people untreated.
So much easier to blame it on guns than our failure to help our humans who are suffering
and causing suffering.
Until we can repair people we need guns. Until we remove violence from our society people
will want guns to protect themselves and loved ones.
All the energy going into banning guns should be going into helping humans
be better to each other and towards leading a better life.
I have never read a more fearful statement on the forum.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
that post underscores the level of paranoia in this country.
we are not a culture of violence. we are a culture of paranoia and fear. fox news, and churches, and the right wing media are the direct cause of that fear and paranoia.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Unbelievable, eh? At this point it is abundantly clear that some simply cannot or will not budge from their stance that their country needs to be heavily armed for the threat that exists within their country.
From my perspective... there is a better way to live. I enjoy the piece of mind I have knowing there are no assault rifles available for purchase. I appreciate the steps my country has taken to safeguard my children by implementing a rigid process to purchase guns. I am so glad that the overwhelming majority of my countrymen share the same mentality as me.
I guess I should apologize for my desire for citizens of the US to share the same piece of mind. If you are truly happy being in such a distrustful state or that your love for guns and shooting supersedes the need to be at peace... then I guess I should just accept this as a fundamental difference between our two countries and leave you to your desired way of life.
irrational paranoia was around long before there was a right wing media. They just capitalize.
But just as you say paranoia and fear are driving gun ownership, it is also paranoia and fear that is driving calls for gun control as well. We are going to ban the weapons that are responsible for less than 1 percent of all gun homicides. How is that rational? How is that addressing a problem in any meaningful way?
Either ban them all or let them be. Better background checks and possible civil/criminal liability for gun shops who sell the weapons used in a crime directly to the criminal would do far more to curb irresponsible gun sales than any sort of selective weapons ban.
Hope the victims here make a speedy recovery.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
yeah right wing media is killing my neighbors :?
Every 22 seconds someone is victimized by violent crime in the US.
I want to be self reliant and prepared. My choice.
Desperate people do desperate things as we saw yesterday here in Atlanta.
Be prepared for many more individuals who are desperate. Many more angry.
Many more who feel cheated and feel there is no justice.
The paranoia lies with those so fearful of guns. So reliant on someone else to take care of them,
to protect them. We can protect ourselves well unless we are afraid. The criminals
don't seem to be afraid. Funny how that works. Perhaps desperation actually brings
some moments of bravery while cushy ass lives make cushy ass people.
I sincerely hope you never need a gun Gimmie,
that you are not one of the people victimized every 22 seconds.
Or maybe you will just allow victimization.
And I guess from my post this is what you take... not helping people but just taking away guns :fp:
I guess I was right then
Those who haven't been subjected to facing the barrel of a gun, or raped, or beaten, or robbed, or out of money, are somehow leading lives of ignorant bliss? Not acting "brave" in other facets of life?
C'mon now.
Your post contradicts itself, as desperation *also* actually brings some moments of utter stupidity and violence...like the idiot in GA yesterday, as you mentioned. Holding people hostage is not brave at all.
you are right about that. The republicans have done whatever they can to make sure this doesn't go through. If gun control was this important to people prior to a bunch of little kids getting shot in Connecticut it should have been done when they had control in Obama's first term. It wasn't that important to them then, so why is it so important now. The problem of gun violence doesn't rest solely at the feet of the GOP.
in the end we will find out in 2014 how important the american people think gun control is...I don't think this form of congress will do shit about any changes. I don't think more thorough background checks at gun shows and on internet sales infringes on the 2nd amendment in any meaningful way, and we both know how I feel the constitution
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Harry "Backed by the NRA" Reid took the assault rifle ban off the table ... Actually he took it out of the kitchen before it could even get to the table .... Yet all the cries of foul lay at the feet of the GOP ...
Open your eyes ...
:shock:
so are you saying that you have been paranoid and fearful for your whole life up until just recently?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Very true. The Democrats are also to blame here.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
and i agree with you about reid. he is a cowardly piece of shit. he had the chance to change senate rules and revamp the filibuster only to do nothing at the last minute.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm one that would like to see an answer to this question.
Im willing to admit it sounds silly when you put it like that. But 1% is a statistic that doesnt reflect the fact that we have SO MANY gun homicides, that 1% is still too much. In just the past year, dozens of KIDS died because of AR-15s.
Personally, just as machine guns are illegal, I simply dont see a purpose for everyday citizens owning guns that were designed for the military.
To me, just as much as gun advocates are defending their rights to AR-15s, they should be screaming that they want machine guns and Uzis made legal too.
dozens vs thousands.
assault rifles vs. hand guns
sorry, a banning of these weapons is political theater only. IT scores HUGE points for those that defend the ban and those that oppose it among their respective bases. It will do nothing to curb gun violence.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I agree with you to a degree. I think there are still people who think you can do less damage with a handgun.
If you just take Colorado and Ct shootings as an example, substitute a handgun for an AR-15, you dont think it would be less effective?
It was about 10:15 am. I felt so sick, It was food poisoning. The rule is that if your sick You have to find a person to cover for you. I called about ten people, and some called back and said they were going into class and some did not call back. Most of them attend classes in that section of the campus the health sciences.
Well after no luck the shift supervisor tells me I can just go home. I'm feeling dizzy so I drive slowly home.
I didn't notice all the ambulances. I get home and turn on the TV to just relax and rest.
On every channel was live coverage of the road I had just driven past. I called my Manager to tell him what was going on and that some people might be late because the campus was on lock down. He replied that it was irresponsible that I couldn't find any one to cover my shift. :fp:
That red headed freaky guy (he looks like a chubby Carrot Top) used a KNIFE to injured 16 people and 7 on them had to be Life Flight® -ed to the hospitals.
The shooting a few months earlier was un related at the same college at a different campus and no one was seriously injured except the suspect/shooter.
I really don't get this. I think they should just close all the Lone Star campuses at this point. They clearly won't have a big freshman population next semester.
Thank you for letting share my story.
I still don't know yet if anyone I know was hurt, but bad news travels fast . I haven't heard anything.
I get from some who say just move if it's violent by you :? Atlanta crime isn't THAT bad :?
or Fox news is to blame and you are paranoid...
dismissing real people with real life threats ... this from their safe homes.
Dismissing the victims and saying they do not need to defend themselves.
What about the people who can't move? What about this desperate fella here in
Atlanta that wanted the world to know his desperation?
What about all the good people who fall on very hard lives and then the cushy cushy
lucky people look the other way?
The people who don't even have to lock their doors telling others you can not own a gun.
The fella here yesterday, he knew he was going to die. He chose those hostages, the fireman because he knew they would not have guns. He admitted so, then made his demands, ate his last meal and took a lot of bullets.
Thank God the good guys are ok but I ask myself what made him a bad guy?
And how many more will we be seeing?
No of course he was not brave he only tried to get the word out.
He tried to show people just how bad life sucks for some people. Idiot ...
I guess thats how you feel about desperate people.
Walk a mile in a pair of desperate shoes that have lost their job, house, family.
Not a lot to live for then, not a lot of good common sense left either.
Good thing he's dead now. One less idiot to worry about.
There will be plenty more and I will be prepared and the cushy cushy will watch from afar
shaking their heads saying take away the guns that's the answer. That's the easy answer.
Until they are one of the every 22 seconds victim, they may understand a little better but
you know ... and maybe not.
But, the two incidents strike me as anomalies; why close the campuses - what purpose would it serve?
I have known - and DO know - people who've fallen on hard times of all kinds. I've been there myself.
Never, ever, would I consider taking hostages to "get the word out". Putting the lives of others at risk in the process? A fake call for help to lure firefighters to your crusade?
Yup, an idiot. In fact, a bloomin' idiot, and then some.
It's not surreal or scary. I lived in Florida or Texas my whole life. I say close the campuses because, I know I'm not going to enroll any day soon. If I did, because tuition is the cheapest at Lone Star, I would attend online classes.
His motives are still unclear.
It seems to always end up being emotional problems with in the person that go unnoticed or disregarded.
If guns or weapons are banned all together, it's easier to get one on the black market.
ex. Moonshine, marijuana , prostitution.
I'm sorry to those kids that had their faces sliced open. I saw one being put on a stretcher to be airlifted to Memorial Herman. It made me sick. His or Her whole face was wrapped in bloody gauze and it was live on the news before noon. I don't mean to be graphic.
I shouldn't be on this train.. again.
This attitude solves nothing for the next person who is desperate
but yes it is very common. "I'll look at this guy and judge him based on who I am,
what I have experienced."
I guess we can just say you are better than this guy. That your family friends are better
than this idiot. That must make you feel good. I would rather understand
and look at the whys and hows to prevent more like him.
He was desperate and wanted his life back one more time. They wouldn't say what
his last demand was, they wouldn't fulfill it and thats when SWAT went in.
I bet it was his family he wanted if only for a moment.
My point in this story is crime and desperation are going to increase
unless we can get people back to work. Get people back into homes.
Get people help for on going mental illness and depression.
The smug people who don't experience what others have to won't even
try to understand their needs. They base what everyone should need on what they need,
how they cope, what they feel. The gun owners are not asking people to buy a gun
live like us, we are only saying I'm keeping the right protected.
Side note that was our neighborhood when we moved to GA 22 years ago.
I heard a person on the radio say... he grew up near there and remembers a peaceful
hometown little Suwanee. Me too, a great place to raise your kids.
Just like Lauren Brown did. Look at him now.
For the record... I have encouraged a ban on assault rifles and very strict criteria to make one eligible for a handgun. Other than the law or bonded security, ranchers, hunters or trappers with squeaky clean histories might be the types suitable for such a gun (off the top of my head).
I hold the opinion that there is no need for any civilian to possess an AK-47. As fun as they might be... they are simply too deadly and effective for creating mass carnage in short time. Why place people at such risk when other guns can provide for the needs of people desiring one. If it's protection a person truly wants... let me suggest a shotgun: big time stopping power more than capable of home protection.
Handguns- so easily concealed and so easy to handle- serve very little purpose for the average citizen and are clearly the weapon of choice for murderers. There is no denying this fact. Lynyrd Skynyrd had it right talking about a Saturday Night Special:
Hand guns are made for killin'
Ain't no good for nothin' else
And if you like your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why don't we dump 'em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me
Great song. Great song.
But as I said in one of my last posts... it doesn't really seem that there is a true will to address the glaring problem the US has with gun violence. I do wish the country the best- they border mine. It's sad to hear of the mass shootings and look at the gross statistics, but if they are okay with them... then so be it.
I spend the majority of my time on this forum and then the Other Music forum. I really need a Pearl Jam tour so I can feel a pull to the Porch and Given to Fly forums. Maybe there, Unsung (or some other 'opponent') and I can agree on a bootleg or a poster or something. I feel the never ending gun issue has done a really good job of dividing this community. I'm clearly partly responsible for some of that divide. Sorry for any hard feelings that might exist from my well-intended arguments.
I haven't followed this thread at all, and generally stay clear of gun threads because they depress me. This post has been one the very few that come close to how I feel about the issue though. The issue is constantly being jumped to conclusions. What needs to be done is a step taken back and looking for real solutions, real solutions, using a clear head and creative thinking. I seriously think that in order for that to happen, perhaps not thinking about the topic for a while and allowing dust to settle would bring new solutions to an (seemingly old) problem.
I wish the dust would settle. But It keeps happening blocks from my house.
These problems are problems of my community. Most rather ignore it until it's too late.
We need to spread Good Vibes and be accepting of everyone. If I see someone acting out of character or seriously mentally ill, I sure as heck try my best. Weapons are harmless without opposable thumbs.
Mental Health Care needs improvement, and that is not my field.
:fp:
it's like I'm talking to a squirrel. Time to move on from this utter nonsense.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
That's why I try to stay off the train.