Arizona mulls transgender washroom use

fife

Kel Varnsen wrote:

unsung wrote:

On a side note there is a nuclear plant in either Arizona or California that has three locker rooms. So the issue is addressed.

If they want to really address the issue shouldn't their be 4 change rooms? Transgender women (born men) shouldn't have to share change rooms with transgender men (born women).

Again I don't understand why people are so uncomfortable in Arizona. Do washrooms there not have stalls? If they are still worried adopt the George Costanza route where the stall walls go all the way down to the floor.

do be fair to Arizona, its not like america is very advance when it comes to sex and sexuality.

just ask Janet Jackson. she got killed because someone saw her nipple on TV.

PJ_Soul

fife wrote:

Kel Varnsen wrote:

unsung wrote:

On a side note there is a nuclear plant in either Arizona or California that has three locker rooms. So the issue is addressed.

If they want to really address the issue shouldn't their be 4 change rooms? Transgender women (born men) shouldn't have to share change rooms with transgender men (born women).

Again I don't understand why people are so uncomfortable in Arizona. Do washrooms there not have stalls? If they are still worried adopt the George Costanza route where the stall walls go all the way down to the floor.

do be fair to Arizona, its not like america is very advance when it comes to sex and sexuality.

just ask Janet Jackson. she got killed because someone saw her nipple on TV.

America is weirdly prude-like, it's true. But I don't think that that is connected to these kinds of issues. A nipple shocks people unduly, but these issues around gender equality, etc involve actual hate and intolerance, not prudery.

fife

fife wrote:

Kel Varnsen wrote:

unsung wrote:

On a side note there is a nuclear plant in either Arizona or California that has three locker rooms. So the issue is addressed.

If they want to really address the issue shouldn't their be 4 change rooms? Transgender women (born men) shouldn't have to share change rooms with transgender men (born women).

Again I don't understand why people are so uncomfortable in Arizona. Do washrooms there not have stalls? If they are still worried adopt the George Costanza route where the stall walls go all the way down to the floor.

do be fair to Arizona, its not like america is very advance when it comes to sex and sexuality.

just ask Janet Jackson. she got killed because someone saw her nipple on TV.

America is weirdly prude-like, it's true. But I don't think that that is connected to these kinds of issues. A nipple shocks people unduly, but these issues around gender equality, etc involve actual hate and intolerance, not prudery.[/quote]

I agree, was trying to make a joke. I don't know if its just hate and intolerance but ignorance also. for example, i know so many people who are unaware of gender equality issues until it is explained to them. for example where I work we have a program that goes around the province teaching professionals in social services about trans issues and so many times they come to us after the workshop to talk about how they never thought of the things that we were presenting to them.

again, i do believe that there are people who are just full of hate that will always hate but many people i think can be reached. At least i hope so.

PJ_Soul

fife wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

fife wrote:

do be fair to Arizona, its not like america is very advance when it comes to sex and sexuality.

just ask Janet Jackson. she got killed because someone saw her nipple on TV.

America is weirdly prude-like, it's true. But I don't think that that is connected to these kinds of issues. A nipple shocks people unduly, but these issues around gender equality, etc involve actual hate and intolerance, not prudery.

I agree, was trying to make a joke. I don't know if its just hate and intolerance but ignorance also. for example, i know so many people who are unaware of gender equality issues until it is explained to them. for example where I work we have a program that goes around the province teaching professionals in social services about trans issues and so many times they come to us after the workshop to talk about how they never thought of the things that we were presenting to them.

again, i do believe that there are people who are just full of hate that will always hate but many people i think can be reached. At least i hope so.

Don't forget the when you're telling jokes in the AMT.
Yeah, agreed, a LOT of it seems to be ignorance. As far as I can tell just from this thread, some people truly do not understand what being transgendered is. I think a good deal of that ignorance is the result of people not WANTING to understand it, because of their intolerance, but in some cases I suppose people just like to keep their heads down and really don't understand what's going on when it comes to gender equality, what it means, and how it impacts people.

fife

I agree with you on that.

just another question to anyone here. what exactly is "looking like a man or a woman mean?" please answer this question without the unnecessary stereotypes.

chadwick

nude:

looking like a man means you have testicles & their buddy between the legs & may be physically hairy & may be muscular in build.

looking like a woman means your breats may be enlarged, less body hair, & no penis or testicles are present between the legs but rather a vagina is present & generally woman are beautiful & desire poetry writing vikings to take them full on & make love to them until the cows quit coming home

yes/no?

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

nude:

looking like a man means you have testicles & their buddy between the legs & may be physically hairy & may be muscular in build.

looking like a woman means your breats may be enlarged, less body hair, & no penis or testicles are present between the legs but rather a vagina is present & generally woman are beautiful & desire poetry writing vikings to take them full on & make love to them until the cows quit coming home

yes/no?

Maybe. The only transgendered men I've known did have fully developed breasts because they were on hormone therapy, did not have body hair for the same reason combined with grooming, and one didn't have balls or a penis. He had a vagina. One was somewhat muscular (but I've known women who were more so), and the others were not. One was just slim, the other chubby.

pjl44

There are a bunch of restrooms in my area (Cambridge/Somerville, MA) that have gone unisex in the last few months. Some single stall, some with multiple individual stalls. Once you get past the initial weirdness of men and women milling in and around the same bathroom, you just sorta get used to it. I can't speak for the women, but as a guy it's really no big deal.

fife

chadwick wrote:

nude:

looking like a man means you have testicles & their buddy between the legs & may be physically hairy & may be muscular in build.

looking like a woman means your breats may be enlarged, less body hair, & no penis or testicles are present between the legs but rather a vagina is present & generally woman are beautiful & desire poetry writing vikings to take them full on & make love to them until the cows quit coming home

yes/no?

no, how about intersex? where a person has both male and female body parts.

moretonbayfig

Accessing public bathrooms can be a major issue for the GLBTI community due to physical and sexual assault by others, as is accessing appropriate healthcare, social services etc. Gender neutral bathrooms are a way of improving personal safety.

catefrances

Jason P wrote:

To be serious, I think this falls under the "tough crap" catagory for transgendered people. That may sound harsh, but as a women, would you want a man in the gym shower room with you, even if that person identifies as a female ... and this person is a complete stranger.

I think not.

please dont think for women. as to showering with women, whether they were born in the wrong body or not, i personally couldnt give a crap. therefore i dont think not.

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

nude:

looking like a man means you have testicles & their buddy between the legs & may be physically hairy & may be muscular in build.

looking like a woman means your breats may be enlarged, less body hair, & no penis or testicles are present between the legs but rather a vagina is present & generally woman are beautiful & desire poetry writing vikings to take them full on & make love to them until the cows quit coming home

yes/no?

no.


you do know you just cant see a vagina when a naked woman is present? and to assume ALL women have vaginas isnt really a good marker for identification. Nature throws up some interesting shit at times. plants that eat animals, 2 headed snakes, playtpus.. so to think that humans are immune to Natures idiosyncracies such as gender dysphoria(or vaginal agensis for that matter) is naive.

chadwick

a female human has reproductive organs that create a baby when sperm is present. a male's reproductive organs create sperm to fertilize a female's egg. this is the difference between males & females. when women get older they don't produce eggs for a man to put his sperm into. men are very capable of creating sperm their whole lives.

females typically give birth at or around 9 month after the child inside of them is ready to come out & say hello.

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

a female human has reproductive organs that create a baby when sperm is present. a male's reproductive organs create sperm to fertilize a female's egg. this is the difference between males & females. when women get older they don't produce eggs for a man to put his sperm into. men are very capable of creating sperm their whole lives.

females typically give birth at or around 9 month after the child inside of them is ready to come out & say hello.

It's just a washroom, not a delivery room.

chadwick

PJ_Soul wrote:

chadwick wrote:

a female human has reproductive organs that create a baby when sperm is present. a male's reproductive organs create sperm to fertilize a female's egg. this is the difference between males & females. when women get older they don't produce eggs for a man to put his sperm into. men are very capable of creating sperm their whole lives.

females typically give birth at or around 9 month after the child inside of them is ready to come out & say hello.

It's just a washroom, not a delivery room.

someone asked to define men & women & catefrances did not approve of my previous statement.

this here is the exact truth of the matter.

women are capable of child birth. men give their sperm to the female's egg to make a baby.
men & women
females & males

this is the difference

as well as some females breast feed the child

chadwick

because you are born a male & you feel you are truly a female inside & behind/under your penis & you have him surgically removed does not make you a female. it means you're a dude whom had his manhood removed

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

chadwick wrote:

a female human has reproductive organs that create a baby when sperm is present. a male's reproductive organs create sperm to fertilize a female's egg. this is the difference between males & females. when women get older they don't produce eggs for a man to put his sperm into. men are very capable of creating sperm their whole lives.

females typically give birth at or around 9 month after the child inside of them is ready to come out & say hello.

It's just a washroom, not a delivery room.

someone asked to define men & women & catefrances did not approve of my previous statement.

this here is the exact truth of the matter.

women are capable of child birth. men give their sperm to the female's egg to make a baby.
men & women
females & males

this is the difference

as well as some females breast feed the child

What about all the women not capable of pregnancy/child birth? And sterile men?

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

because you are born a male & you feel you are truly a female inside & behind/under your penis & you have him surgically removed does not make you a female. it means you're a dude whom had his manhood removed

Says who???

chadwick

PJ_Soul wrote:

chadwick wrote:

because you are born a male & you feel you are truly a female inside & behind/under your penis & you have him surgically removed does not make you a female. it means you're a dude whom had his manhood removed

Says who???

makes sense to me & probably 9 trillion other ppl

defeating what you are given in this life, male or female & flip flopping around as you see fit doesn't make any sense & then to freak out over a public restroom is ridiculous & for them ppl they are labeled as attention seekers.

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

chadwick wrote:

because you are born a male & you feel you are truly a female inside & behind/under your penis & you have him surgically removed does not make you a female. it means you're a dude whom had his manhood removed

Says who???

makes sense to me & probably 9 trillion other ppl

defeating what you are given in this life, male or female & flip flopping around as you see fit doesn't make any sense & then to freak out over a public restroom is ridiculous & for them ppl they are labeled as attention seekers.

Huh. I didn't know you were so close minded.