I'll also highlight the fact that these a-holes are suggesting that it would simply be up to police on whether or not they should charge women for using men's restrooms because of long lines... But if a "man" (actually woman!) is caught using a women's washroom they could go to prison for 6 months??! What about female transgendereds? Because I'm smelling a serious double-standard. There is just so much wrong crammed into this one little article I can hardly believe it.
i don't understand completely what you are saying here but i will try to see if i do.
Are you saying that you find that the punishment is harder for male to female trans person as compared to a female to male person.
I'll also highlight the fact that these a-holes are suggesting that it would simply be up to police on whether or not they should charge women for using men's restrooms because of long lines... But if a "man" (actually woman!) is caught using a women's washroom they could go to prison for 6 months??! What about female transgendereds? Because I'm smelling a serious double-standard. There is just so much wrong crammed into this one little article I can hardly believe it.
i don't understand completely what you are saying here but i will try to see if i do.
Are you saying that you find that the punishment is harder for male to female trans person as compared to a female to male person.
Hmm. Seems I'm more clear in my own head.
Yeah, it's up to the discretion of the cops to charge a female using a men's washroom (which they wouldn't), but if they find a transgendered man in the women's washroom (s)he goes to prison?? Not only is it a double standard for women vs men, but also one for non-transgendered vs transgendered. And I just figure these bigots aren't clever enough to have given any thought to the scenario where a female transgendered person (so living as a man) uses a men's washroom. Would they send her to prison for 6 months? Or would that be up to the discretion of the police, since she is a female in the men's washroom? What if (s)he just says she was skipping a line up? Does she get off? And would the line up excuse work for a guy? .... :think:
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
you are reading way too much into a pile of bullshit. stop. it is not complicated.
leaving it up to the police officers means exactly that. which mean nothing will happen to anyone unless something like blood or guts were spilled.
if your dude was once actually a woman or your woman who was once a man uses the restrooms they are not going to get jail time. 6 months in jail is out of control & a huffy scare tactic or some shit.
I understand your point, but I just don't believe that many men will actually do that. the really solution to this problem is no more male or female designated washrooms. I don't understand why we can just have unisex washrooms as someone else mentioned already.
I don't know about Europe, but all the unisex restrooms I've seen are single occupancy. So it's a moot point in the US.
As for your first point ... I assume you are a women ... Because a man's sexual drive .... Well ... Vatican City.
To be serious, I think this falls under the "tough crap" catagory for transgendered people. That may sound harsh, but as a women, would you want a man in the gym shower room with you, even if that person identifies as a female ... and this person is a complete stranger.
I think not.
I would not mind at all if a transgendered WOMAN shared the gym shower with me. I consider transgendered men women. I call them "she". Now how about you - would you feel comfortable with a transgendered man being in the shower with you? Perhaps someone who's moving towards or has already had a sex change? A "man" with breasts and possibly a vagina but maybe a penis? Because that's what you're suggesting would make more sense. Although frankly, I doubt there are many transgendered people who have had such a wonderfully smooth and harassment free life that they would be showering publicly anyway. Most of them, from what I can tell, are quite concerned about becoming targets in those kinds of situations.
To be honest, I don't like showering with guys around period. :oops:
To be serious, I think this falls under the "tough crap" catagory for transgendered people. That may sound harsh, but as a women, would you want a man in the gym shower room with you, even if that person identifies as a female ... and this person is a complete stranger.
I think not.
I would not mind at all if a transgendered WOMAN shared the gym shower with me. I consider transgendered men women. I call them "she". Now how about you - would you feel comfortable with a transgendered man being in the shower with you? Perhaps someone who's moving towards or has already had a sex change? A "man" with breasts and possibly a vagina but maybe a penis? Because that's what you're suggesting would make more sense. Although frankly, I doubt there are many transgendered people who have had such a wonderfully smooth and harassment free life that they would be showering publicly anyway. Most of them, from what I can tell, are quite concerned about becoming targets in those kinds of situations.
To be honest, I don't like showering with guys around period. :oops:
Well, yeah, don't look at me. I wouldn't share a shower with any stranger, male or female. I'm a single occupancy showerer. But plenty of people don't mind showering publicly!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Well, yeah, don't look at me. I wouldn't share a shower with any stranger, male or female. I'm a single occupancy showerer. But plenty of people don't mind showering publicly!
yeah, it would be even more intimidating for me to shower with a bunch of girls ... :oops: :oops: :oops:
even though it seems like it should be my ultimate fantasy :fp:
Perhaps I can find a local support group of females (gymnasts perhaps) to help me overcome this phobia ...
Well, yeah, don't look at me. I wouldn't share a shower with any stranger, male or female. I'm a single occupancy showerer. But plenty of people don't mind showering publicly!
yeah, it would be even more intimidating for me to shower with a bunch of girls ... :oops: :oops: :oops:
even though it seems like it should be my ultimate fantasy :fp:
Perhaps I can find a local support group of females (gymnasts perhaps) to help me overcome this phobia ...
:geek:
:fp:
:corn:
I am pretty sure you can fairly easily find some females willing to help you... for a price.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
you are reading way too much into a pile of bullshit. stop. it is not complicated.
leaving it up to the police officers means exactly that. which mean nothing will happen to anyone unless something like blood or guts were spilled.
if your dude was once actually a woman or your woman who was once a man uses the restrooms they are not going to get jail time. 6 months in jail is out of control & a huffy scare tactic or some shit.
That's nice that you don't care about this issue (not sure why are you even participating in the discussion if you think it's bullshit), but it still bothers me that legislators are actively talking about restricting the rights of transgendered people by exclusively considering what sex they were when they were born. That part of this story is pretty significant if you care about the rights of this group of people, which I do, since I've known and been friends with some.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
So I'm a dude who is lost in my own body and think I'm a chick, so I dress like a chick, but, have to go to the men's washroom, and that somehow is not going to make people uncomfortable.
So I'm a chick who is lost in my own body and think I'm a dude, so I dress like a dude, but, have to go to the women's washroom, and that somehow is not going to make people uncomfortable.
Glad to see they thought this one through.
"Sorry sir, we know you are transgendered, but can you drop the women's gear before you go into the men's bathroom and when you are done, you can dress back up and carry on." I think this is how they should word this new law.
Get over the hang up people. Travel to Europe and see what life can really be like. One bathroom for a whole club. Guys, girls, trannys, cross dressers, dogs, cats, moms, dads, children, etc.....
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I always hear how America needs to be more like Europe ... then I watch a FIFA football game and the fans are chucking bananas at players with darker skin and players doing Nazi salutes after scoring goals.
I don't really understand the issue. I mean don't women's washroom have enclosed stalls. So even if a transgender woman went into went into one it is not like she would be able to see anyone else using the washroom. And it is not like anyone would be able to figure out that she was not born a woman, since she would be using an enclosed stall. Plus if this person identified as a woman, why do people think she would want to check out other women using the washroom?
People in general seem way to freaked out about the idea that other people are going check them out naked/changing/using the washroom. To me it seems that people must think very highly of themselves to assume that other people want to see them naked.
"In an ongoing case, a Colorado family has filed a complaint against the state after their six-year-old, who was born a boy, was banned from using the girl's bathroom at her primary school."
say what?
I saw this on the news a few weeks back. The dad said that the son mentioned that his favorite colors were pink and purple so they assumed something must be going on....... :fp:
"In an ongoing case, a Colorado family has filed a complaint against the state after their six-year-old, who was born a boy, was banned from using the girl's bathroom at her primary school."
say what?
I saw this on the news a few weeks back. The dad said that the son mentioned that his favorite colors were pink and purple so they assumed something must be going on....... :fp:
i like pink & i like purple. i own and wear in the cold a purple ass scarf with another scarf that is yellow & white. pink is yummy & i enjoy pink's warmth & inviting nature.
this kid's dad & mom should maybe be slapped around with a rake or tree limb
may transgender people use a clothesline visable or not to anyone?
i always kinda knew those two were up to something. bulky sweaty men all over each other dressed up with fancy string & yellow tall boots. clotheslines are what hulk believes in.
ya every cop in the world cannot wait to abuse transgender people. i'd imagine most cops would protect them & try to keep the peace. the cops in my little iowa town would not use their authority to bully & abuse a man in a dress who believes he is a girl. they would try & protect him/her from nasty ass society
ya every cop in the world cannot wait to abuse transgender people. i'd imagine most cops would protect them & try to keep the peace. the cops in my little iowa town would not use their authority to bully & abuse a man in a dress who believes he is a girl. they would try & protect him/her from nasty ass society
Really? In my town, 4 cops took a gay dude to a park and beat the shit out of him.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
ya every cop in the world cannot wait to abuse transgender people. i'd imagine most cops would protect them & try to keep the peace. the cops in my little iowa town would not use their authority to bully & abuse a man in a dress who believes he is a girl. they would try & protect him/her from nasty ass society
Really? In my town, 4 cops took a gay dude to a park and beat the shit out of him.
have you ever stepped back, took a breath & viewed vancouver for two seconds? y'all aren't much milder/safer or worse than L.A. chicago or nyc. y'all have a drug epidemic up there with heroin & things like asian prostitution slavery rings & asian gangs shooting up the place.
there is more to the story. four cops just don't decide to go capture a dude take him to a park & beat the hell out of him because he is gay. i do not buy that horse shit for a minute. what is left out of the story?
ya every cop in the world cannot wait to abuse transgender people. i'd imagine most cops would protect them & try to keep the peace. the cops in my little iowa town would not use their authority to bully & abuse a man in a dress who believes he is a girl. they would try & protect him/her from nasty ass society
Really? In my town, 4 cops took a gay dude to a park and beat the shit out of him.
have you ever stepped back, took a breath & viewed vancouver for two seconds? y'all aren't much milder/safer or worse than L.A. chicago or nyc. y'all have a drug epidemic up there with heroin & things like asian prostitution slavery rings & asian gangs shooting up the place.
there is more to the story. four cops just don't decide to go capture a dude take him to a park & beat the hell out of him because he is gay. i do not buy that horse shit for a minute. what is left out of the story?
You seem really angry with me these days Chadwick. And I'm not sure why you're asking if I know what my own city is like. I am way more aware than you are about the crime issues that we have. I wasn't making a comparison with your little town. I was simply making the point that cops can't necessarily be trusted to do the right thing (especially in large cities, and especially in Vancouver). But I'm not sure what your point is anyway - is it that cops can only be trusted when there isn't a high crime rate?? I would actually think that there are some small town cops who would be less accepting of transgenereds than those in major cities.
Actually, I personally KNOW one of the cops who did that (they all went to trial and were found guilty). He was a friend of my ex boyfriend's. And yes, four cops just decided to take a guy from downtown (he was known to police but not breaking the law at the time), and took him to the park and beat the hell out of him. It was simply a macho, group mentality thing. That is ALL that is part of the story. I wasn't THAT surprised when the guy I know ended up being one of them though (surprised he was that stupid, but not that he went aggro). I went paint balling with him once while he was in training, and he wore full police riot gear for it and went crazy. :fp:
And there are SO many other stories from our police force that would blow your mind (if you respected me enough to believe me, that is).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
yep that's me i am angry with you, pj_soul. wrong. confused 9/10 of the time but far from angry. mom's from the norse lands. if i were angry w/ you i'd be slinging axes & hammers in your general direction.
wait...
you're a woman. vikings like women. women think we smell good.
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i don't understand completely what you are saying here but i will try to see if i do.
Are you saying that you find that the punishment is harder for male to female trans person as compared to a female to male person.
Yeah, it's up to the discretion of the cops to charge a female using a men's washroom (which they wouldn't), but if they find a transgendered man in the women's washroom (s)he goes to prison?? Not only is it a double standard for women vs men, but also one for non-transgendered vs transgendered. And I just figure these bigots aren't clever enough to have given any thought to the scenario where a female transgendered person (so living as a man) uses a men's washroom. Would they send her to prison for 6 months? Or would that be up to the discretion of the police, since she is a female in the men's washroom? What if (s)he just says she was skipping a line up? Does she get off? And would the line up excuse work for a guy? .... :think:
leaving it up to the police officers means exactly that. which mean nothing will happen to anyone unless something like blood or guts were spilled.
if your dude was once actually a woman or your woman who was once a man uses the restrooms they are not going to get jail time. 6 months in jail is out of control & a huffy scare tactic or some shit.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
As for your first point ... I assume you are a women ... Because a man's sexual drive .... Well ... Vatican City.
'nough said ...
even though it seems like it should be my ultimate fantasy :fp:
Perhaps I can find a local support group of females (gymnasts perhaps) to help me overcome this phobia ...
:geek:
:fp:
:corn:
:think:
Just need to find an alter ego ....
I GOT IT!
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Is there no law against that already?
They have to punish the whole transgender community because men occasionally flash little girls?
Ok.
Nobody said Arizona is a place for smart people.
Because policemen never abuse their power or get a kick out of harassing people.
So I'm a chick who is lost in my own body and think I'm a dude, so I dress like a dude, but, have to go to the women's washroom, and that somehow is not going to make people uncomfortable.
Glad to see they thought this one through.
"Sorry sir, we know you are transgendered, but can you drop the women's gear before you go into the men's bathroom and when you are done, you can dress back up and carry on." I think this is how they should word this new law.
Get over the hang up people. Travel to Europe and see what life can really be like. One bathroom for a whole club. Guys, girls, trannys, cross dressers, dogs, cats, moms, dads, children, etc.....
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
But they have bathrooms figured out?
Which is it?
People in general seem way to freaked out about the idea that other people are going check them out naked/changing/using the washroom. To me it seems that people must think very highly of themselves to assume that other people want to see them naked.
I saw this on the news a few weeks back. The dad said that the son mentioned that his favorite colors were pink and purple so they assumed something must be going on....... :fp:
this kid's dad & mom should maybe be slapped around with a rake or tree limb
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
there is more to the story. four cops just don't decide to go capture a dude take him to a park & beat the hell out of him because he is gay. i do not buy that horse shit for a minute. what is left out of the story?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Actually, I personally KNOW one of the cops who did that (they all went to trial and were found guilty). He was a friend of my ex boyfriend's. And yes, four cops just decided to take a guy from downtown (he was known to police but not breaking the law at the time), and took him to the park and beat the hell out of him. It was simply a macho, group mentality thing. That is ALL that is part of the story. I wasn't THAT surprised when the guy I know ended up being one of them though (surprised he was that stupid, but not that he went aggro). I went paint balling with him once while he was in training, and he wore full police riot gear for it and went crazy. :fp:
And there are SO many other stories from our police force that would blow your mind (if you respected me enough to believe me, that is).
wait...
you're a woman. vikings like women. women think we smell good.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Sadly, you'd be wrong.