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Tim Simmons

Well, the last time we heard about it was 18 years, ago, yeah. 

lolobugg

I saw the band in 99 at a club show. I was rail right in front of D'arcy.

She was extremely fucked up. and looked terrible. she had shaved her eyebrows off and had really bad plastic surgery.

rail thin. I believe she has been a coke addict for a long time. she admitted it when she lived in Austin.

I feel sorry for her more than anything. I met her and her grandparents at a show in 97. she seemed really nice.

but I think she is just shitting on this reunion because she knows that she isn't up for a major tour.

Tim Simmons

I'm not saying Billy isn't terrible, I'm just saying, in this case, he may have had the best intentions going into it, but clearly it didn't work out. I don't think this incident is not the best example to point out what an asshole Billy is. 

HughFreakingDillon

lolobugg said:

I saw the band in 99 at a club show. I was rail right in front of D'arcy.

She was extremely fucked up. and looked terrible. she had shaved her eyebrows off and had really bad plastic surgery.

rail thin. I believe she has been a coke addict for a long time. she admitted it when she lived in Austin.

I feel sorry for her more than anything. I met her and her grandparents at a show in 97. she seemed really nice.

but I think she is just shitting on this reunion because she knows that she isn't up for a major tour.

you all might be right. it could be that she's just looking for a way to come out of this unscathed. I just can't really understand why someone wouldn't just say "nope, don't want to do it" and leave it at that. plenty of musicians quit bands because of the touring commitments. not sure why someone would lie about it and scapegoat others for it. 

Tim Simmons

I'm only speculating, but I don't think she's got it all together anymore. Between the drugs, the weird FB posts over the years, the weird horse assault stuff, the facial augmentation, to me it looks like she's got issues. So these texts and interview to me come across as an unreliable narrator. Billy's offer of just playing a couple songs per night and giving her her own bus, tells me he knows something is up. IF that is all true, I can't blame the guy for continually putting feelers in those texts to see if she's up for it. 

I could be wrong. Its all speculation obviously. Billy is also the most unreliable narrator, so IDK. this did make me think a bit differently about him though. Maybe will give him a chance to see this tour. 

facepollution

I think he quite rightly didn't want there to be anything to derail the reunion, so he was making sure he had a contingency plan.  However, the way he's approached it is pretty insensitive, he could have probably done more to figure out whether D'arcy was in a fit enough state to embark on a huge tour, rather than arrange the backup in advance, and share that with everyone.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what Billy thinks her contribution was to the band, fans have other ideas, and the allure of a reunion is based on nostalgia for that original lineup.  I think Billy kind of owed it to everyone to try his hardest to make it happen.  I'm not saying D'arcy doesn't have a lot of issues, and completely understand Billy being hesitant, but at least get in the room with the woman and see what kind of place she's in.

It's a shame, and I still hold out hope that they can figure it out.  I'll still go see them regardless, and I'll cross my fingers for some decent new music.

HughFreakingDillon

facepollution said:

I think he quite rightly didn't want there to be anything to derail the reunion, so he was making sure he had a contingency plan.  However, the way he's approached it is pretty insensitive, he could have probably done more to figure out whether D'arcy was in a fit enough state to embark on a huge tour, rather than arrange the backup in advance, and share that with everyone.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what Billy thinks her contribution was to the band, fans have other ideas, and the allure of a reunion is based on nostalgia for that original lineup.  I think Billy kind of owed it to everyone to try his hardest to make it happen.  I'm not saying D'arcy doesn't have a lot of issues, and completely understand Billy being hesitant, but at least get in the room with the woman and see what kind of place she's in.

It's a shame, and I still hold out hope that they can figure it out.  I'll still go see them regardless, and I'll cross my fingers for some decent new music.

yeah, the whole "texting" thing seems very weird. Why not have face to face meetings? how the hell do you guage what a person is/isn't up for through electronic messaging?

they could have easily had another bassist do the big tour, and Darcy do a short 5 US city run to close out the tour like Chicago, Philly, LA, NY, and Boston or something like that. 

who knows what the real story is, like many have said. 

i saw the original lineup in 1996 for Mellon Collie, with Melissa in 2000, and then with Nicole in 2012. I have no nostalgia feeling with this band. if they come, I'll go. But it won't break my heart if they don't. 

computerjungle

I love Smashing Pumpkins music, but the last Calgary show was maybe the worst concert i have ever been to.

2-feign-reluctance

Love how Corgan is sharing more on Instagram about being a Dad.

HughFreakingDillon

computerjungle said:

I love Smashing Pumpkins music, but the last Calgary show was maybe the worst concert i have ever been to.

really? why? the 3 times i've seen them they've been awesome. 

BIGDaddyWil

The pissing and moaning between Corgan and D'arcy is sure getting a lot of attention. It's probably staged to bring attention to the new album and tour. Who cares, right???? Just put out the album and tour!

HughFreakingDillon

BIGDaddyWil said:

The pissing and moaning between Corgan and D'arcy is sure getting a lot of attention. It's probably staged to bring attention to the new album and tour. Who cares, right???? Just put out the album and tour!

I thought about this too. this is more publicity than they could have hoped for. 

facepollution

HughFreakingDillon said:

facepollution said:

I think he quite rightly didn't want there to be anything to derail the reunion, so he was making sure he had a contingency plan.  However, the way he's approached it is pretty insensitive, he could have probably done more to figure out whether D'arcy was in a fit enough state to embark on a huge tour, rather than arrange the backup in advance, and share that with everyone.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what Billy thinks her contribution was to the band, fans have other ideas, and the allure of a reunion is based on nostalgia for that original lineup.  I think Billy kind of owed it to everyone to try his hardest to make it happen.  I'm not saying D'arcy doesn't have a lot of issues, and completely understand Billy being hesitant, but at least get in the room with the woman and see what kind of place she's in.

It's a shame, and I still hold out hope that they can figure it out.  I'll still go see them regardless, and I'll cross my fingers for some decent new music.

yeah, the whole "texting" thing seems very weird. Why not have face to face meetings? how the hell do you guage what a person is/isn't up for through electronic messaging?

they could have easily had another bassist do the big tour, and Darcy do a short 5 US city run to close out the tour like Chicago, Philly, LA, NY, and Boston or something like that. 

who knows what the real story is, like many have said. 

i saw the original lineup in 1996 for Mellon Collie, with Melissa in 2000, and then with Nicole in 2012. I have no nostalgia feeling with this band. if they come, I'll go. But it won't break my heart if they don't. 

Yeah I saw the original lineup back in the day a couple of times on the Mellon Collie tour too, and a few of their reunion shows around Zeitgeist.  They're a hugely nostalgic band for me, listening to Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie just takes me back to my teenage years, they evoke a really bittersweet feeling.  That said, my real interest in the reunion is that they make some really good new music - I see no reason why they can't, providing Billy sticks to writing big melodies rather than the experimentation that has marred most of his post 90s work.

HughFreakingDillon

facepollution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

facepollution said:

I think he quite rightly didn't want there to be anything to derail the reunion, so he was making sure he had a contingency plan.  However, the way he's approached it is pretty insensitive, he could have probably done more to figure out whether D'arcy was in a fit enough state to embark on a huge tour, rather than arrange the backup in advance, and share that with everyone.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what Billy thinks her contribution was to the band, fans have other ideas, and the allure of a reunion is based on nostalgia for that original lineup.  I think Billy kind of owed it to everyone to try his hardest to make it happen.  I'm not saying D'arcy doesn't have a lot of issues, and completely understand Billy being hesitant, but at least get in the room with the woman and see what kind of place she's in.

It's a shame, and I still hold out hope that they can figure it out.  I'll still go see them regardless, and I'll cross my fingers for some decent new music.

yeah, the whole "texting" thing seems very weird. Why not have face to face meetings? how the hell do you guage what a person is/isn't up for through electronic messaging?

they could have easily had another bassist do the big tour, and Darcy do a short 5 US city run to close out the tour like Chicago, Philly, LA, NY, and Boston or something like that. 

who knows what the real story is, like many have said. 

i saw the original lineup in 1996 for Mellon Collie, with Melissa in 2000, and then with Nicole in 2012. I have no nostalgia feeling with this band. if they come, I'll go. But it won't break my heart if they don't. 

Yeah I saw the original lineup back in the day a couple of times on the Mellon Collie tour too, and a few of their reunion shows around Zeitgeist.  They're a hugely nostalgic band for me, listening to Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie just takes me back to my teenage years, they evoke a really bittersweet feeling.  That said, my real interest in the reunion is that they make some really good new music - I see no reason why they can't, providing Billy sticks to writing big melodies rather than the experimentation that has marred most of his post 90s work.

oh, I get all goosebumpy when i hear the music from the 90's, but I just meant no nostalgic feelings for seeing the original lineup, as I had already seen it. 

same with GNR. I took my wife for her, as she had only seen Axl and Friends, but I saw them in 91 for UYI, so it didn't mean as much to me. 

bflynn1

facepollution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

facepollution said:

I think he quite rightly didn't want there to be anything to derail the reunion, so he was making sure he had a contingency plan.  However, the way he's approached it is pretty insensitive, he could have probably done more to figure out whether D'arcy was in a fit enough state to embark on a huge tour, rather than arrange the backup in advance, and share that with everyone.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what Billy thinks her contribution was to the band, fans have other ideas, and the allure of a reunion is based on nostalgia for that original lineup.  I think Billy kind of owed it to everyone to try his hardest to make it happen.  I'm not saying D'arcy doesn't have a lot of issues, and completely understand Billy being hesitant, but at least get in the room with the woman and see what kind of place she's in.

It's a shame, and I still hold out hope that they can figure it out.  I'll still go see them regardless, and I'll cross my fingers for some decent new music.

yeah, the whole "texting" thing seems very weird. Why not have face to face meetings? how the hell do you guage what a person is/isn't up for through electronic messaging?

they could have easily had another bassist do the big tour, and Darcy do a short 5 US city run to close out the tour like Chicago, Philly, LA, NY, and Boston or something like that. 

who knows what the real story is, like many have said. 

i saw the original lineup in 1996 for Mellon Collie, with Melissa in 2000, and then with Nicole in 2012. I have no nostalgia feeling with this band. if they come, I'll go. But it won't break my heart if they don't. 

Yeah I saw the original lineup back in the day a couple of times on the Mellon Collie tour too, and a few of their reunion shows around Zeitgeist.  They're a hugely nostalgic band for me, listening to Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie just takes me back to my teenage years, they evoke a really bittersweet feeling.  That said, my real interest in the reunion is that they make some really good new music - I see no reason why they can't, providing Billy sticks to writing big melodies rather than the experimentation that has marred most of his post 90s work.

I love that nostalgic feeling that I get when I listen to them. I'm also hoping for some really good new music

facepollution

I see what you mean.  I guess I just have a now or never attitude towards it, I think life is too short for all the petty BS.....From what I've read from both sides, I think this was completely avoidable.  Ah, who knows what the future holds.  Would be cool to hear a new song tomorrow when they make their big announcement

elvistheking44

Hoping the drama can resolve itself or move along. I really just want some sweet artwork, new album and a tour. Is that to much to ask?

HughFreakingDillon

elvistheking44 said:

Hoping the drama can resolve itself or move along. I really just want some sweet artwork, new album and a tour. Is that to much to ask?

well, with Billy, like the end product or not, you can always expect a result. 

lolobugg

elvistheking44 said:

Hoping the drama can resolve itself or move along. I really just want some sweet artwork, new album and a tour. Is that to much to ask?

nope. I am looking forward to it.

Zod

I'm hoping for the best, but I kind of remember end of the pumpkins classic era... the last few albums, when D'arcy left the band.. etc... I'd felt they'd already lost their mojo long before Billy ever tried to do an Axl.

Without D'arcy coming back, it feels more like an extension of that era, than the gish/siamese dream/pisces iscario/mellon collie/adore era...   If they come back full form I'll be impressed and want to go see them, but the pessimistic side of me isn't convinced they can pull it off.