Smashing Pumpkins!

regina osr

Love em!  Can't wait!

PearlStripes

I predict a Siamese Dreams 25th anniversary tour

Dr. Delight

PearlStripes said:

I predict a Siamese Dreams 25th anniversary tour

It kinda seems that way with the pic of the ice cream truck and the two girls from the album cover in the present day.

buck502000

I’m cool with this - I was 16 when Dream came out and wasn’t able to go to the shows. SP are on the bucket list.

lolobugg

the Mighty SP are back!!!

Tim Simmons

I'd see that show. 

RoleModelsinBlood31

https://www.google.com/amp/s/consequenceofsound.net/2018/02/darcy-wretzky-shares-text-messages-as-proof-that-billy-corgan-is-lying-about-smashing-pumpkins-reunion-offer/amp/

Tim Simmons

Have to say, Billy seems reasonable. He seems to even be accommodating to her issues. Comeple 180 for the way he's treated her in the past 20 years. D'arcy ends up looking bad here. 

Congrats D'arcy, you made me say Billy Corgan looks reasonable and accommodating. 

buck502000

Tim Simmons said:

Have to say, Billy seems reasonable. He seems to even be accommodating to her issues. Comeple 180 for the way he's treated her in the past 20 years. D'arcy ends up looking bad here. 

Congrats D'arcy, you made me say Billy Corgan looks reasonable and accommodating. 

agree 100%

cincybearcat

You all sign up on their webpage? Fanbridge? Asks for a lot of info...

elvistheking44

cincybearcat said:

You all sign up on their webpage? Fanbridge? Asks for a lot of info...

Only asked me for email address.

HughFreakingDillon

Tim Simmons said:

Have to say, Billy seems reasonable. He seems to even be accommodating to her issues. Comeple 180 for the way he's treated her in the past 20 years. D'arcy ends up looking bad here. 

Congrats D'arcy, you made me say Billy Corgan looks reasonable and accommodating. 

but what issues? her perceived issues are his issues. he seems to be assuming all this stuff about her and how she'd be able to handle it after so long out of the spotlight, and offering things then taking them away. he offered them all a 25 split contract, then a month later said "that wasn't a real offer". he offered her to be a full member, then all of a sudden she's going to be a Steven Adler type guest at a few shows on a few songs. he told them in the beginning that they'd all get in a room and see how things go and the tour is secondary. now the tour and how he (he says "the band") is going to be perceived is the be all end all. 

he seemed disappointed that she wasn't going to get shoulder surgery so he could no longer use that as an excuse to exluded her. 

initially it seemed like BC was being a nice guy. Now after everything I've read: it seems like he's being a coniving asshole. and jimmy and james seem like spineless shitheads. 

HughFreakingDillon

D'Arcy seems to be right about a lot of Billy's insecurity issues and controlling nature. 

D'Arcy quit/was fired because she was the only one who wouldn't take his bullshit. 
Melissa isn't wanted back because her playing overtakes his ("she plays like a man"-I guess that's why he always hires female bassists?)
Nicole was fired because she was able to engage with the fans in a way he couldn't. 

if you look at all the people that have been in SP over the years, the only ones that have survived have been the ones who remained in the back of the room and were ok with letting BC have all the spotlight to himself. 

He's an amazing songwriter/musician, but let's call it what it is: he's a fucking asshole and always will be. 

Indifference71

HughFreakingDillon said:

D'Arcy seems to be right about a lot of Billy's insecurity issues and controlling nature. 

D'Arcy quit/was fired because she was the only one who wouldn't take his bullshit. 
Melissa isn't wanted back because her playing overtakes his ("she plays like a man"-I guess that's why he always hires female bassists?)
Nicole was fired because she was able to engage with the fans in a way he couldn't. 

if you look at all the people that have been in SP over the years, the only ones that have survived have been the ones who remained in the back of the room and were ok with letting BC have all the spotlight to himself. 

He's an amazing songwriter/musician, but let's call it what it is: he's a fucking asshole and always will be. 

That's a perfect summary.  He has made some incredible music, but he's just a complete jerkoff.  Having said that, I'll probably try to catch them on this tour.

lolobugg

Man, I don't know.

I don't believe everything D'arcy said.

Seems like she is still dealing with her own issues.

She contradicts herself constantly in that interview.

everyone knows Billy is shit as a communicator. that isn't news to me.

Tim Simmons

HughFreakingDillon said:

Tim Simmons said:

Have to say, Billy seems reasonable. He seems to even be accommodating to her issues. Comeple 180 for the way he's treated her in the past 20 years. D'arcy ends up looking bad here. 

Congrats D'arcy, you made me say Billy Corgan looks reasonable and accommodating. 

but what issues? her perceived issues are his issues. he seems to be assuming all this stuff about her and how she'd be able to handle it after so long out of the spotlight, and offering things then taking them away. he offered them all a 25 split contract, then a month later said "that wasn't a real offer". he offered her to be a full member, then all of a sudden she's going to be a Steven Adler type guest at a few shows on a few songs. he told them in the beginning that they'd all get in a room and see how things go and the tour is secondary. now the tour and how he (he says "the band") is going to be perceived is the be all end all. 

he seemed disappointed that she wasn't going to get shoulder surgery so he could no longer use that as an excuse to exluded her. 

initially it seemed like BC was being a nice guy. Now after everything I've read: it seems like he's being a coniving asshole. and jimmy and james seem like spineless shitheads. 

Clearly she has health issues. I don’t know if any of it are left over from her addiction days. But clearly from the texts, she isn’t 100% and I have to give Billy credit for trying to accommodate her because he thought it was important (whatever the motivation) to have her on the tour. 

I think there is information that he public doesn’t know and we can either speculate or go with what’s presented. What’s presented made me think that Billy Corgan started acting like a reasonable person again. 

HughFreakingDillon

lolobugg said:

Man, I don't know.

I don't believe everything D'arcy said.

Seems like she is still dealing with her own issues.

She contradicts herself constantly in that interview.

everyone knows Billy is shit as a communicator. that isn't news to me.

how so? I read it. I didn't see any contradictions (except one where she said she and Billy had never been friends and then later on talked about their friendship). No, of course I don't believe everything she said. But I look at what has been said/presented on both sides, and also given Billy's past behaviour/comments about current/past band members, he is a certifiable asshole. 

HughFreakingDillon

Tim Simmons said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Tim Simmons said:

Have to say, Billy seems reasonable. He seems to even be accommodating to her issues. Comeple 180 for the way he's treated her in the past 20 years. D'arcy ends up looking bad here. 

Congrats D'arcy, you made me say Billy Corgan looks reasonable and accommodating. 

but what issues? her perceived issues are his issues. he seems to be assuming all this stuff about her and how she'd be able to handle it after so long out of the spotlight, and offering things then taking them away. he offered them all a 25 split contract, then a month later said "that wasn't a real offer". he offered her to be a full member, then all of a sudden she's going to be a Steven Adler type guest at a few shows on a few songs. he told them in the beginning that they'd all get in a room and see how things go and the tour is secondary. now the tour and how he (he says "the band") is going to be perceived is the be all end all. 

he seemed disappointed that she wasn't going to get shoulder surgery so he could no longer use that as an excuse to exluded her. 

initially it seemed like BC was being a nice guy. Now after everything I've read: it seems like he's being a coniving asshole. and jimmy and james seem like spineless shitheads. 

Clearly she has health issues. I don’t know if any of it are left over from her addiction days. But clearly from the texts, she isn’t 100% and I have to give Billy credit for trying to accommodate her because he thought it was important (whatever the motivation) to have her on the tour. 

I think there is information that he public doesn’t know and we can either speculate or go with what’s presented. What’s presented made me think that Billy Corgan started acting like a reasonable person again. 

how is it clear she has health issues?

what's presented makes me think the opposite. in the first batch of texts that I read, yes, I would agree that he seemed very accomodating and reasonable, even moreso than I would think he needed to be. Then I kept reading.........

Tim Simmons

I mean, she said her shoulder was fucked. 

Also she was addicted to crack.

HughFreakingDillon

Tim Simmons said:

I mean, she said her shoulder was fucked. 

Also she was addicted to crack.

she said her doctor gave her the green light for her shoulder. 

her crack thing was 20 years ago, was it not?