I'm not arguing semantics either, so not not sure what you mean by that.
the whole "I'm not defending" but "I support" debacle.
Debacle? Really? Wow, it was such a minor point and nothing to do with my position on the matter, it didn't occur to me that anyone would think to bring it up as anything that had to do with anything.
I just think everyone is way overreacting to everything in this thread! It's becoming stupid. All the "this is such a petty issue for you to be talking about and therefore you need a life" comments, made by people also talking about the same issue and getting quite worked up about it is not helping the general atmosphere in here. I would have thought that more folks would have been able to discuss this issue (which I actually don't find petty at all, because it's not so much about laundry as it is about the value or lack thereof of bylaws based on aesthetics. I think that's an interesting topic.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Please don't take the "of course" and "obviously" route. There are many people I disagree with but still understand their rationale...even respect it.
This one, nope.
How is it OK to willfully contribute to something you don't like? You really don't think it's a shitty sloppy thing to just toss a cigarette butt (or any other trash) onto the street?
That mindset is part of the eyesore.
A mindsore, if you will.
And I don't disagree with how you feel about it. I've made more than my fair share of mistakes and it's led me to a convoluted view of society.
I've never lived in a big city which to me seems even more polluted. You can't call me a hypocrite because I will never bitch about you tossing your cig in the street. On the other hand I would never toss anything like a can, soda cup, or sandwich wrapper. You call it a mindsore and that where it seems to exist. The butt is tiny in comparison to the larger picture.
Like I said, I'm weird, I don't understand my own opinions and ideas sometimes. Things have changed a lot in my 46 years on this planet and for me the improvements haven't improved anything(as I sit here on an internet message board). I drive a car but would advocate 100% Public Transportation. See, I'm a rollercoaster of opinions.
Of course, my logical view of the modern world is obviously the ideal. I am a Scorpio after all.
I'm not arguing semantics either, so not not sure what you mean by that.
the whole "I'm not defending" but "I support" debacle.
Debacle? Really? Wow, it was such a minor point and nothing to do with my position on the matter, it didn't occur to me that anyone would think to bring it up as anything that had to do with anything.
I just think everyone is way overreacting to everything in this thread! It's becoming stupid. All the "this is such a petty issue for you to be talking about and therefore you need a life" comments, made by people also talking about the same issue and getting quite worked up about it is not helping the general atmosphere in here. I would have thought that more folks would have been able to discuss this issue (which I actually don't find petty at all, because it's not so much about laundry as it is about the value or lack thereof of bylaws based on aesthetics. I think that's an interesting topic.
I called it a debacle as a joke.
I think there's a fine line. I have no issue with laundry being hung out in the BACK yard. I actually like that look. it emits a "small town" and "friendly" image. it's where things are visible on the FRONT yard, like vehicles, couches, play structures, etc, where the real problem begins. or if the laundry is being hung between buildings on a street, which I think is where the "slum" image comes from. I don't think there's a problem in middle class neighbourhoods. this whole "your behaviour on your own property is infringing on my personal space/enjoyment of life" is becoming silly. mind your business or fucking move.
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I think it's been pretty civil thus far (which is a lot, considering the usual course of discourse here :P )
PJ_Soul, I too didn't get the semantics thing but then...language is interpreted differently. I get your points and don't think you came off asshole-ish. Hope I haven't either.
I think it's been pretty civil thus far (which is a lot, considering the usual course of discourse here :P )
PJ_Soul, I too didn't get the semantics thing but then...language is interpreted differently. I get your points and don't think you came off asshole-ish. Hope I haven't either.
No you haven't. .... I dunno, I was just feeling picked on unjustifiably by a few people - maybe I am just sensitive this weekend!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think it's been pretty civil thus far (which is a lot, considering the usual course of discourse here :P )
PJ_Soul, I too didn't get the semantics thing but then...language is interpreted differently. I get your points and don't think you came off asshole-ish. Hope I haven't either.
No you haven't. .... I dunno, I was just feeling picked on unjustifiably by a few people - maybe I am just sensitive this weekend!
Not too sensitive - I am surprised that people have such strong feelings about clotheslines. Although, I would venture to say it has less to do with drying clothes and more to do with alot of other underlying issues. Who can tell who what to do and why can't I do whatever the fuck I want to issues. Like I said before, my neighborhood actually restricts clotheslines (amongst other things) but I decided to take my chances on no one complaining because it is in my backyard and I tried to make it as unobtrusive as possible. Seems like a win/win to me. My hubs may be VP but I did talk to the Pres and he said my placement made it where very few can actually see it. Isn't it all about respect? I respect my neighbors and they have been ok with my clothesline.
Now the neighbor who put the mattress on his porch got a nasty letter about needing to remove it or be fined. Hey this is Kentucky - it does happen
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I think it's been pretty civil thus far (which is a lot, considering the usual course of discourse here :P )
PJ_Soul, I too didn't get the semantics thing but then...language is interpreted differently. I get your points and don't think you came off asshole-ish. Hope I haven't either.
No you haven't. .... I dunno, I was just feeling picked on unjustifiably by a few people - maybe I am just sensitive this weekend!
Not too sensitive - I am surprised that people have such strong feelings about clotheslines. Although, I would venture to say it has less to do with drying clothes and more to do with alot of other underlying issues. Who can tell who what to do and why can't I do whatever the fuck I want to issues. Like I said before, my neighborhood actually restricts clotheslines (amongst other things) but I decided to take my chances on no one complaining because it is in my backyard and I tried to make it as unobtrusive as possible. Seems like a win/win to me. My hubs may be VP but I did talk to the Pres and he said my placement made it where very few can actually see it. Isn't it all about respect? I respect my neighbors and they have been ok with my clothesline.
Now the neighbor who put the mattress on his porch got a nasty letter about needing to remove it or be fined. Hey this is Kentucky - it does happen
Unfortunately, I don't think these rules are made for you. They're made because of lazy, inconsiderate slobs who, if they don't want a fine, would have shit hanging all over the place for days on end, through rain and wind storms, and their fences would be falling down and rotting to the ground, their lawns would be overgrown junk piles, etc etc. Most of these kinds of laws - much lile most laws, actually - are not so much meant to stop responsible people from hanging a line of laundry or building a little tree house - they're for all the irresponsible jerks who would make a real mess of things if allowed to - and there are a lot of them.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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Now the neighbor who put the mattress on his porch got a nasty letter about needing to remove it or be fined. Hey this is Kentucky - it does happen
I have an urban friend who says that in rural areas this is what is called "art".
Interesting how much interest this subject has generated. I was just thinking how 50 years ago it would have been hard to imagine having this kind of discussion. Yes, Chadwick, I am sooooo old school.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Holy shit Rollings!! That is too funny!!thanks for the laugh.
PJ_Soul.. I guess I need to reiterate. The get a life and go do
something comment was simply in reference to the idea, that
while seeing undies flying like flags is sort of equal to the effect,
Of an accident on the road apparently, you have a choice.
One can sit and stare at my laundry all day or choose another activity.
I was not trying to be the cunt I came off as, but seriously...
No one that is not supporting my energy bill can say how I choose
to dry my clothes. I work my ass off to pay my bills, everyday!!
If I want to save that money I will... All I was saying... Carry on...
Oh and thank you all for being so entertaining!! I need to make that
Pic into an avatar!!!! LMAO!
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Hey, Rollings- do have that history of underwear on a clothes line picture in you repertoire? You know- the one that goes from bloomers to thong.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Hey, Rollings- do have that history of underwear on a clothes line picture in you repertoire? You know- the one that goes from bloomers to thong.
you mean THIS?
That's the one!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
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Debacle? Really?
I just think everyone is way overreacting to everything in this thread! It's becoming stupid. All the "this is such a petty issue for you to be talking about and therefore you need a life" comments, made by people also talking about the same issue and getting quite worked up about it is not helping the general atmosphere in here.
I've never lived in a big city which to me seems even more polluted. You can't call me a hypocrite because I will never bitch about you tossing your cig in the street. On the other hand I would never toss anything like a can, soda cup, or sandwich wrapper. You call it a mindsore and that where it seems to exist. The butt is tiny in comparison to the larger picture.
Like I said, I'm weird, I don't understand my own opinions and ideas sometimes. Things have changed a lot in my 46 years on this planet and for me the improvements haven't improved anything(as I sit here on an internet message board). I drive a car but would advocate 100% Public Transportation. See, I'm a rollercoaster of opinions.
Of course, my logical view of the modern world is obviously the ideal. I am a Scorpio after all.
I called it a debacle as a joke.
I think there's a fine line. I have no issue with laundry being hung out in the BACK yard. I actually like that look. it emits a "small town" and "friendly" image. it's where things are visible on the FRONT yard, like vehicles, couches, play structures, etc, where the real problem begins. or if the laundry is being hung between buildings on a street, which I think is where the "slum" image comes from. I don't think there's a problem in middle class neighbourhoods. this whole "your behaviour on your own property is infringing on my personal space/enjoyment of life" is becoming silly. mind your business or fucking move.
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
PJ_Soul, I too didn't get the semantics thing but then...language is interpreted differently. I get your points and don't think you came off asshole-ish. Hope I haven't either.
And I'm a Scorpio too.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Not too sensitive - I am surprised that people have such strong feelings about clotheslines. Although, I would venture to say it has less to do with drying clothes and more to do with alot of other underlying issues. Who can tell who what to do and why can't I do whatever the fuck I want to issues. Like I said before, my neighborhood actually restricts clotheslines (amongst other things) but I decided to take my chances on no one complaining because it is in my backyard and I tried to make it as unobtrusive as possible. Seems like a win/win to me. My hubs may be VP but I did talk to the Pres and he said my placement made it where very few can actually see it. Isn't it all about respect? I respect my neighbors and they have been ok with my clothesline.
Now the neighbor who put the mattress on his porch got a nasty letter about needing to remove it or be fined. Hey this is Kentucky - it does happen
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
I have an urban friend who says that in rural areas this is what is called "art".
Interesting how much interest this subject has generated. I was just thinking how 50 years ago it would have been hard to imagine having this kind of discussion. Yes, Chadwick, I am sooooo old school.
whispering hands? she don't give a shit
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
PJ_Soul.. I guess I need to reiterate. The get a life and go do
something comment was simply in reference to the idea, that
while seeing undies flying like flags is sort of equal to the effect,
Of an accident on the road apparently, you have a choice.
One can sit and stare at my laundry all day or choose another activity.
I was not trying to be the cunt I came off as, but seriously...
No one that is not supporting my energy bill can say how I choose
to dry my clothes. I work my ass off to pay my bills, everyday!!
If I want to save that money I will... All I was saying... Carry on...
Oh and thank you all for being so entertaining!! I need to make that
Pic into an avatar!!!! LMAO!
you mean THIS?
That's the one!