Oh man, I love that Bullshit series. I'm a fan of both those guys anyway.
It's definitely a bitch sometimes to own property and still have to follow certain guidelines, whether via an association or just city ordinances (both can be changed in some cases too). But, I knew what I was signing away in exchange for our home.
I get the aesthetics side of it as well (not to mention the nod to the damned image trend that skews so much) as I do the less-energy-used one.
We have a washer that also dries the clothes. It's supposedly popular in Europe. I hate it because it drys the wrinkles into your clothes. The best thing about having a dryer is you don't have to do a lot of ironing. So most of the time I resort to the no spin cycle and hang my clothes to Drip Dry ( I haven't seen those care instructions on clothing in a long time) in the wind. I do love a dryer but I also love the smell of freshly washed sheet that have been hung on the line outside to dry....
Offended by laundry?.... :roll:
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My grandmother hung her clothes on a line in the dead of winter in Lancaster County, PA. She said it freeze dried her clothes. I saw her do it one time. Pants on the line looked like boards. Very cool- I thought it looked like art.
Growing up, all we had was a clothes lines outside, clothes racks in. My father build a board walk over the clay soil in the yard with two wooden t-beams and clothes lines. That's where my mother was the first time she heard me say the word "fuck". The clothes pins were cool.
A lot of cool shit happens around clothes lines.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Never thought a thread about clotheslines would get contentious
However, I will say I live in one of those neighborhoods with a HOA and we have by-laws that prohibit clotheslines. However, I decided about 2 years ago that I wanted one anyway and I put it in my backyard as close to the house as I could get it so very few of my neighbors would be able to see it. The VP of the HOA was not happy about this - luckily I'm married to him so I told him that if he would like a happy home life the clothesline stays True story.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
It can be an eyesore. I wouldn't be happy if my neighbors were stringing up their laundry. It gives a feeling of being in a slum a littl bit IMO. But people generally need to calm the fuck down and be more tolerant of other people's behaviour. Sometimes things just aren't going to please everyone - that's life.
That said, I'm in support of bylaws banning the hanging of laundry outside where it can be seen by others.
I'd rather see laundry then people picking their noses or hocking loogies on the street. Living in Vancouver (?), you know exactly what I mean.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
It's all in the eye of the beholder.
I think it's an eyesore. Just as bad as junked cars in the front yard. Graffiti, on the other hand, is not an eyesore to me, yet the city keeps painting over it. It's just a matter of opinion.
And there are other ways to hang dry clothes than to string it up for all to see. I hang or flat dry probably 70% of the clothes that I wear, but I do so inside on racks made for this purpose. Got them at Ikea for $10 each. My neighbors don't have to look at that mess. Lucky them.
Are you being serious? You honestly are comparing junked out cars to people's clean sheets and clothes on a line?
I'm sorry, but this is one of the most ridiculous examples of arrogance I have come across.
How is a prime example of someone saving energy and money so ugly to you? Do you not care about the planet at all? Did you even bother to read/understand the hypocrisy that the United States are displaying? That if other nations across the globe followed the example shown by the US that the world would be in a heap of shit?
This seems to be another of the 'do as I say, but not as I do' type of things that many nations, not the least being the US, are so so good at.
Drying clothes on a line outside (as opposed to inside a stuffy apartment or house), is not only completely free it is also completely energy efficient. It takes no electricity or gas and your clothes smell fantastic. I simply do not understand the mentality of thinking rusted rubbish and scrawled profanity on walls is more attractive than some person's clean clothes.
There is also the idea that you are presuming that people have both the money in the bank to waste on energy that is free from the wind and sun, AND that people have room in their houses to dry laundry on racks for a full house load of people. That may be all well and good if you are a single person on a good income, but for a normal family how is that practical, affordable or even possible? That's in part where your arrogance comes in. To assume that because you bought cheap racks at Ikea and therefore are not subjecting your neighbours to your 'mess', you are setting a better example is highly ridiculous.
What kind of legacy are you leaving for the next generation if you believe that clean clothes being seen in the open are more of a mess than actual rubbish or some scrawl put on a wall illegally, AND you believe that utilising the free energy that our planet offers us, and that has been acceptable for all bar the last 50 years maybe, is not an option you support?
When India and China decide that having electronic equipment in every house is a must just like the wonderful US has shown them, the world is fucked, to put it nicely.
Now don't get me wrong - I love my dryer. But I cannot justify using it when it's warm and sunny outside and my clothes will dry in a couple of hours naturally. So my dryer is used sparingly here. If you live in a wet cold climate, I get it. When it's sunny and warmer, or even overcast and windy, clothes dry quicker on a line. Drying clothes inside on a rack is a last resort - they end up stiff and smelly because they aren't aired out properly.
I truly cannot fathom a society where a clothes line gets you into trouble - it seems beyond ridiculous. I'm sorry for the rant on the subject but I am just so baffled by the attitude, it's messing with my mind.
Never thought a thread about clotheslines would get contentious
However, I will say I live in one of those neighborhoods with a HOA and we have by-laws that prohibit clotheslines. However, I decided about 2 years ago that I wanted one anyway and I put it in my backyard as close to the house as I could get it so very few of my neighbors would be able to see it. The VP of the HOA was not happy about this - luckily I'm married to him so I told him that if he would like a happy home life the clothesline stays True story.
I love this story. Riotgrl you are quite the rebel. :thumbup:
And the sun it may be shining . . . but there's an ocean in my eyes
The asshole that killed for his distraught over clothes hanging in his neighbour's backyard: I'm wondering how 'squeaky clean' he was? People are so gawdamn narcissistic they cannot see past their noses.
For example, I wonder if this guy casually tossed his cigarrettes out the window of his car when he was finished with his smoke as he drove? Now... in my mind... this is an offence. These clowns: I want to follow them home and slap them. With butts too gross to pile in their ashtray and dispose of without littering the roads and sidewalks of our communities, these people essentially shit all over their neighbours and communities when they throw them on the ground.
If I was a cop, I would pursue these people and they would pay hefty fines for their disrespect and general offensiveness. If I was an NRA member... I'd chase them with my pick up truck, firing shots in the air, and yelling "Yee haw!" while doing so.
Owners leaving their dog shit for everyone to admire are another example of a person that needs a slap. It might be one day soon where I simply grab the turd and rub it into somebody's face: "Hey asshole. You forgot this. Take it with you! We don't want it. We don't love your mutt as much as you do!"
Laundry hanging in a backyard? If you don't like looking at it... turn your head 30 degrees away from it until the sight of it is not in your line of vision- problem solved. Geezuz. Wtf?
at least now i understand how communities get developed where everyone has to use the same paint and aren't allowed to hang flags ... :fp: ...
i find it utterly sad that someone could claim eyesore as a reason not to do what's right on so many levels ...
drying your clothes by air:
* preserves the life of your clothes
* uses less energy and products
* is good for the planet
* saves people money
and people aren't supposed to do that because someone considers it an eyesore!?? ... what if i consider people wearing jeans an eyesore - should we ban that!? ... fucking absurd ...
The clothesline thing is ridiculous, I agree, but all you folks focusing on the "eyesore" part of it -- you're missing the point. It's not that it's an eyesore per se, but that it creates a perception of the neighborhood that could potential lower property values. Like it or not, clotheslines are associated with...well, not poverty, but not wealth either. The perception of wealth can create economic value.
The clothesline thing is ridiculous, I agree, but all you folks focusing on the "eyesore" part of it -- you're missing the point. It's not that it's an eyesore per se, but that it creates a perception of the neighborhood that could potential lower property values. Like it or not, clotheslines are associated with...well, not poverty, but not wealth either. The perception of wealth can create economic value.
The point has not been lost- it's just weak.
On a smaller scale and speaking strictly from the environmentalist side of things: if people subscribe to this line of thinking... then they would have the same (or at least similar) value set as larger, greedy, demonized corporations seeking a stronger bottom line even if it means a cost to the environment: both primarily concerned with their economic welfare.
The clothesline thing is ridiculous, I agree, but all you folks focusing on the "eyesore" part of it -- you're missing the point. It's not that it's an eyesore per se, but that it creates a perception of the neighborhood that could potential lower property values. Like it or not, clotheslines are associated with...well, not poverty, but not wealth either. The perception of wealth can create economic value.
The point has not been lost- it's just weak.
On a smaller scale and speaking strictly from the environmentalist side of things: if people subscribe to this line of thinking... then they would have the same (or at least similar) value set as larger, greedy, demonized corporations seeking a stronger bottom line even if it means a cost to the environment: both primarily concerned with their economic welfare.
Eh, I don't recall seeing the point made once, so whether it was lost is a matter of opinion. Perhaps it wasn't lost on you. Anyhow, I agree it's weak vis-a-vis the clothesline, but it's still stronger than the raw "eyesore" complaint. If I risk 100s of thousands of my own money on a home, it's reasonable to expect the image that contributed to that high cost to be protected. I honestly didn't read the OP's article, so I guess I'll add the caveat here that it shouldn't be the local gov't making these ordinances, but the neighborhood's HoA. If it's the local gov't making this rule, I do have a problem with it.
The clothesline thing is ridiculous, I agree, but all you folks focusing on the "eyesore" part of it -- you're missing the point. It's not that it's an eyesore per se, but that it creates a perception of the neighborhood that could potential lower property values. Like it or not, clotheslines are associated with...well, not poverty, but not wealth either. The perception of wealth can create economic value.
this line of reasoning is also absurd ... if i park a porsche in front of a condemned home - am i gonna sell it for more? ... housing values are gonna be based on numerous variables ... if a clothesline is one of them - people have lost all sense of reason ...
i live in a neighbourhood that's average house probably goes for $800k (i rent) ... and many people hang their clothes ... i pretty much hang all my clothes to dry ... only thing i don't are towels and my sheets (mainly because they are kinda big) ...
just because some people consider a clothesline a sign of "not wealth" doesn't make it fair or reasonable ... if i put $200 jeans on the clothesline - what then? ... if a neighbour comes home with a ton of shopping bags from wal mart - what about that? ...
oh gosh nothing smells better than clothes hung out to dry in the fresh air and sunshine
remembering by gone days and my Mama
I long to live in the countryside where no one can tell me no
That's living!
The clothesline thing is ridiculous, I agree, but all you folks focusing on the "eyesore" part of it -- you're missing the point. It's not that it's an eyesore per se, but that it creates a perception of the neighborhood that could potential lower property values. Like it or not, clotheslines are associated with...well, not poverty, but not wealth either. The perception of wealth can create economic value.
this line of reasoning is also absurd ... if i park a porsche in front of a condemned home - am i gonna sell it for more? ... housing values are gonna be based on numerous variables ... if a clothesline is one of them - people have lost all sense of reason ...
i live in a neighbourhood that's average house probably goes for $800k (i rent) ... and many people hang their clothes ... i pretty much hang all my clothes to dry ... only thing i don't are towels and my sheets (mainly because they are kinda big) ...
just because some people consider a clothesline a sign of "not wealth" doesn't make it fair or reasonable ... if i put $200 jeans on the clothesline - what then? ... if a neighbour comes home with a ton of shopping bags from wal mart - what about that? ...
I'm sorry you don't understand real estate...the line of reasoning is standard and accepted...you may disagree as to whether clotheslines themselves impact property value...I said myself that the rule is ridiculous...that the impact in this example is exaggerated at least...nevertheless the line of reasoning that the general appearance of a neighborhood impacts the value of the houses contained in it is pretty basic...
If you want to talk about absurd lines of reasoning...wal mart bags would generally be found inside the house other than the 5 seconds that they are carried from car to house...so it's an irrelevant example...if you wanted to decorate your front-yard tree with wal mart bags...then maybe we'd have a what-if to discuss...
I'm sorry you don't understand real estate...the line of reasoning is standard and accepted...you may disagree as to whether clotheslines themselves impact property value...I said myself that the rule is ridiculous...that the impact in this example is exaggerated at least...nevertheless the line of reasoning that the general appearance of a neighborhood impacts the value of the houses contained in it is pretty basic...
If you want to talk about absurd lines of reasoning...wal mart bags would generally be found inside the house other than the 5 seconds that they are carried from car to house...so it's an irrelevant example...if you wanted to decorate your front-yard tree with wal mart bags...then maybe we'd have a what-if to discuss...
haha ... it's funny cuz i work sort of in real estate ...
sooo ... you admit as much that it is ridiculous but that we should accept it nonetheless!??
really - this topic makes me:
1. glad i don't live in such an ignorant community
2. sad that there are places where people are like this
as for the wal-mart bags ... am i now to believe that if a person indeed were to say have wal mart bags in front of his house ... for whatever reason - you'd be ok with the same judgmental assumptions?
I'm sorry you don't understand real estate...the line of reasoning is standard and accepted...you may disagree as to whether clotheslines themselves impact property value...I said myself that the rule is ridiculous...that the impact in this example is exaggerated at least...nevertheless the line of reasoning that the general appearance of a neighborhood impacts the value of the houses contained in it is pretty basic...
If you want to talk about absurd lines of reasoning...wal mart bags would generally be found inside the house other than the 5 seconds that they are carried from car to house...so it's an irrelevant example...if you wanted to decorate your front-yard tree with wal mart bags...then maybe we'd have a what-if to discuss...
haha ... it's funny cuz i work sort of in real estate ...
sooo ... you admit as much that it is ridiculous but that we should accept it nonetheless!??
really - this topic makes me:
1. glad i don't live in such an ignorant community
2. sad that there are places where people are like this
as for the wal-mart bags ... am i now to believe that if a person indeed were to say have wal mart bags in front of his house ... for whatever reason - you'd be ok with the same judgmental assumptions?
If you work in real estate...i hope you understand that neighborhood appearances do impact individual property values...
my opinion on the clotheslines is that the local gov't should never ban them (outside of some weird extenuating circumstances)...HoAs should have the freedom to do so but shouldn't opt to...perhaps at most a restriction on the size so that you don't have giant contraptions like in the video in OP's link...
if someone decorated their front yard with wal mart bags...who needs assumptions at that point...not many folks would want to live next to that just on the face of it...
If you work in real estate...i hope you understand that neighborhood appearances do impact individual property values...
my opinion on the clotheslines is that the local gov't should never ban them (outside of some weird extenuating circumstances)...HoAs should have the freedom to do so but shouldn't opt to...perhaps at most a restriction on the size so that you don't have giant contraptions like in the video in OP's link...
if someone decorated their front yard with wal mart bags...who needs assumptions at that point...not many folks would want to live next to that just on the face of it...
i do understand the various things that go into property values ... in most places - having a clothesline is not one of them ... and it is my belief that in places where they are - it's wrong ...
i'm not even suggesting decorating with walmart bags ... but say they put their garbage in those plastic bags and left them on the curb for pickup ...
either way - assessing property values on clothesline is absurd ... whether people do it or not ... talk about taking away someone's freedoms!
Never thought a thread about clotheslines would get contentious
However, I will say I live in one of those neighborhoods with a HOA and we have by-laws that prohibit clotheslines. However, I decided about 2 years ago that I wanted one anyway and I put it in my backyard as close to the house as I could get it so very few of my neighbors would be able to see it. The VP of the HOA was not happy about this - luckily I'm married to him so I told him that if he would like a happy home life the clothesline stays True story.
I love this story. Riotgrl you are quite the rebel. :thumbup:
Yeah, great story riotgrl. Now, only if you could talk to the VP about getting rid of such a dumb rule altogether...
at least now i understand how communities get developed where everyone has to use the same paint and aren't allowed to hang flags ... :fp: ...
i find it utterly sad that someone could claim eyesore as a reason not to do what's right on so many levels ...
drying your clothes by air:
* preserves the life of your clothes
* uses less energy and products
* is good for the planet
* saves people money
and people aren't supposed to do that because someone considers it an eyesore!?? ... what if i consider people wearing jeans an eyesore - should we ban that!? ... fucking absurd ...
My sisters, who all have and use their clothes lines but for sheets and beach towels only have said this to me while putting wet clothes on the line: the sun fades the color! You can't do that! :roll:
The clothesline thing is ridiculous, I agree, but all you folks focusing on the "eyesore" part of it -- you're missing the point. It's not that it's an eyesore per se, but that it creates a perception of the neighborhood that could potential lower property values. Like it or not, clotheslines are associated with...well, not poverty, but not wealth either. The perception of wealth can create economic value.
Tell me, then, how solar panels could potentially lower property values. Same with wind turbines. Locally, a development voted to kick homeowners out of the community because they had solar panels in their back yard. Oh, and I've heard in some places that front gardens are against rules. Gardens are now eyesores too, to the wealthy, not aesthetically appropriate!
It can be an eyesore. I wouldn't be happy if my neighbors were stringing up their laundry. It gives a feeling of being in a slum a littl bit IMO. But people generally need to calm the fuck down and be more tolerant of other people's behaviour. Sometimes things just aren't going to please everyone - that's life.
That said, I'm in support of bylaws banning the hanging of laundry outside where it can be seen by others.
I'd rather see laundry then people picking their noses or hocking loogies on the street. Living in Vancouver (?), you know exactly what I mean.
Um, yeah, that is not pleasant. I'd rather see laundry than a lot of things one can see in Vancouver!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'm sure that six cars, on a driveway is less appealing then a clothes line.
I'm sure weeds on a lawn are less appealing then a clothes line.
I'm sure that no lawn at all is less appealing then a clothes line.
I'm sure that a roof that needs replacing and still has not been, is less appealing then a clothes line.
I'm sure that when I want to sit in my backyard and enjoy nature, yet have to listen to some shitty music from some neighbours house, is less appealing then a clothes line.
Listening to the neighbours air vent from their dryer, while sitting outside is less appealing then a clothes line.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I'm sure that six cars, on a driveway is less appealing then a clothes line.
I'm sure weeds on a lawn are less appealing then a clothes line.
I'm sure that no lawn at all is less appealing then a clothes line.
I'm sure that a roof that needs replacing and still has not been, is less appealing then a clothes line.
I'm sure that when I want to sit in my backyard and enjoy nature, yet have to listen to some shitty music from some neighbours house, is less appealing then a clothes line.
Listening to the neighbours air vent from their dryer, while sitting outside is less appealing then a clothes line.
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I like the gential crabs laced filthy couch on the porch decor... I think it is called, 'Eclectic, Shabby Chic Fung Sway' or something.
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if i were a god damn multimillionaire in a mansion on a hill i'd be havin some badass laundry hanging around outside on me lines. i'd make it a fucking party & invite everyone to hang laundry & those whom believe i am out of my mind & crude & rude for being concerned with saving money & the environment, well, i'd hope & pray they all fall down & have a stroke
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good stuff
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It's definitely a bitch sometimes to own property and still have to follow certain guidelines, whether via an association or just city ordinances (both can be changed in some cases too). But, I knew what I was signing away in exchange for our home.
I get the aesthetics side of it as well (not to mention the nod to the damned image trend that skews so much) as I do the less-energy-used one.
Reason fits somewhere in there, I believe.
Offended by laundry?.... :roll:
Growing up, all we had was a clothes lines outside, clothes racks in. My father build a board walk over the clay soil in the yard with two wooden t-beams and clothes lines. That's where my mother was the first time she heard me say the word "fuck". The clothes pins were cool.
A lot of cool shit happens around clothes lines.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
However, I will say I live in one of those neighborhoods with a HOA and we have by-laws that prohibit clotheslines. However, I decided about 2 years ago that I wanted one anyway and I put it in my backyard as close to the house as I could get it so very few of my neighbors would be able to see it. The VP of the HOA was not happy about this - luckily I'm married to him so I told him that if he would like a happy home life the clothesline stays
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
I'd rather see laundry then people picking their noses or hocking loogies on the street. Living in Vancouver (?), you know exactly what I mean.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Are you being serious? You honestly are comparing junked out cars to people's clean sheets and clothes on a line?
I'm sorry, but this is one of the most ridiculous examples of arrogance I have come across.
How is a prime example of someone saving energy and money so ugly to you? Do you not care about the planet at all? Did you even bother to read/understand the hypocrisy that the United States are displaying? That if other nations across the globe followed the example shown by the US that the world would be in a heap of shit?
This seems to be another of the 'do as I say, but not as I do' type of things that many nations, not the least being the US, are so so good at.
Drying clothes on a line outside (as opposed to inside a stuffy apartment or house), is not only completely free it is also completely energy efficient. It takes no electricity or gas and your clothes smell fantastic. I simply do not understand the mentality of thinking rusted rubbish and scrawled profanity on walls is more attractive than some person's clean clothes.
There is also the idea that you are presuming that people have both the money in the bank to waste on energy that is free from the wind and sun, AND that people have room in their houses to dry laundry on racks for a full house load of people. That may be all well and good if you are a single person on a good income, but for a normal family how is that practical, affordable or even possible? That's in part where your arrogance comes in. To assume that because you bought cheap racks at Ikea and therefore are not subjecting your neighbours to your 'mess', you are setting a better example is highly ridiculous.
What kind of legacy are you leaving for the next generation if you believe that clean clothes being seen in the open are more of a mess than actual rubbish or some scrawl put on a wall illegally, AND you believe that utilising the free energy that our planet offers us, and that has been acceptable for all bar the last 50 years maybe, is not an option you support?
When India and China decide that having electronic equipment in every house is a must just like the wonderful US has shown them, the world is fucked, to put it nicely.
Now don't get me wrong - I love my dryer. But I cannot justify using it when it's warm and sunny outside and my clothes will dry in a couple of hours naturally. So my dryer is used sparingly here. If you live in a wet cold climate, I get it. When it's sunny and warmer, or even overcast and windy, clothes dry quicker on a line. Drying clothes inside on a rack is a last resort - they end up stiff and smelly because they aren't aired out properly.
I truly cannot fathom a society where a clothes line gets you into trouble - it seems beyond ridiculous. I'm sorry for the rant on the subject but I am just so baffled by the attitude, it's messing with my mind.
I love this story. Riotgrl you are quite the rebel.
For example, I wonder if this guy casually tossed his cigarrettes out the window of his car when he was finished with his smoke as he drove? Now... in my mind... this is an offence. These clowns: I want to follow them home and slap them. With butts too gross to pile in their ashtray and dispose of without littering the roads and sidewalks of our communities, these people essentially shit all over their neighbours and communities when they throw them on the ground.
If I was a cop, I would pursue these people and they would pay hefty fines for their disrespect and general offensiveness. If I was an NRA member... I'd chase them with my pick up truck, firing shots in the air, and yelling "Yee haw!" while doing so.
Owners leaving their dog shit for everyone to admire are another example of a person that needs a slap. It might be one day soon where I simply grab the turd and rub it into somebody's face: "Hey asshole. You forgot this. Take it with you! We don't want it. We don't love your mutt as much as you do!"
Laundry hanging in a backyard? If you don't like looking at it... turn your head 30 degrees away from it until the sight of it is not in your line of vision- problem solved. Geezuz. Wtf?
i find it utterly sad that someone could claim eyesore as a reason not to do what's right on so many levels ...
drying your clothes by air:
* preserves the life of your clothes
* uses less energy and products
* is good for the planet
* saves people money
and people aren't supposed to do that because someone considers it an eyesore!?? ... what if i consider people wearing jeans an eyesore - should we ban that!? ... fucking absurd ...
The point has not been lost- it's just weak.
On a smaller scale and speaking strictly from the environmentalist side of things: if people subscribe to this line of thinking... then they would have the same (or at least similar) value set as larger, greedy, demonized corporations seeking a stronger bottom line even if it means a cost to the environment: both primarily concerned with their economic welfare.
this line of reasoning is also absurd ... if i park a porsche in front of a condemned home - am i gonna sell it for more? ... housing values are gonna be based on numerous variables ... if a clothesline is one of them - people have lost all sense of reason ...
i live in a neighbourhood that's average house probably goes for $800k (i rent) ... and many people hang their clothes ... i pretty much hang all my clothes to dry ... only thing i don't are towels and my sheets (mainly because they are kinda big) ...
just because some people consider a clothesline a sign of "not wealth" doesn't make it fair or reasonable ... if i put $200 jeans on the clothesline - what then? ... if a neighbour comes home with a ton of shopping bags from wal mart - what about that? ...
remembering by gone days and my Mama
I long to live in the countryside where no one can tell me no
That's living!
If you want to talk about absurd lines of reasoning...wal mart bags would generally be found inside the house other than the 5 seconds that they are carried from car to house...so it's an irrelevant example...if you wanted to decorate your front-yard tree with wal mart bags...then maybe we'd have a what-if to discuss...
haha ... it's funny cuz i work sort of in real estate ...
sooo ... you admit as much that it is ridiculous but that we should accept it nonetheless!??
really - this topic makes me:
1. glad i don't live in such an ignorant community
2. sad that there are places where people are like this
as for the wal-mart bags ... am i now to believe that if a person indeed were to say have wal mart bags in front of his house ... for whatever reason - you'd be ok with the same judgmental assumptions?
my opinion on the clotheslines is that the local gov't should never ban them (outside of some weird extenuating circumstances)...HoAs should have the freedom to do so but shouldn't opt to...perhaps at most a restriction on the size so that you don't have giant contraptions like in the video in OP's link...
if someone decorated their front yard with wal mart bags...who needs assumptions at that point...not many folks would want to live next to that just on the face of it...
i do understand the various things that go into property values ... in most places - having a clothesline is not one of them ... and it is my belief that in places where they are - it's wrong ...
i'm not even suggesting decorating with walmart bags ... but say they put their garbage in those plastic bags and left them on the curb for pickup ...
either way - assessing property values on clothesline is absurd ... whether people do it or not ... talk about taking away someone's freedoms!
Yeah, great story riotgrl. Now, only if you could talk to the VP about getting rid of such a dumb rule altogether...
My sisters, who all have and use their clothes lines but for sheets and beach towels only have said this to me while putting wet clothes on the line: the sun fades the color! You can't do that! :roll:
Tell me, then, how solar panels could potentially lower property values. Same with wind turbines. Locally, a development voted to kick homeowners out of the community because they had solar panels in their back yard. Oh, and I've heard in some places that front gardens are against rules. Gardens are now eyesores too, to the wealthy, not aesthetically appropriate!
I'm sure weeds on a lawn are less appealing then a clothes line.
I'm sure that no lawn at all is less appealing then a clothes line.
I'm sure that a roof that needs replacing and still has not been, is less appealing then a clothes line.
I'm sure that when I want to sit in my backyard and enjoy nature, yet have to listen to some shitty music from some neighbours house, is less appealing then a clothes line.
Listening to the neighbours air vent from their dryer, while sitting outside is less appealing then a clothes line.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I like the gential crabs laced filthy couch on the porch decor... I think it is called, 'Eclectic, Shabby Chic Fung Sway' or something.
Hail, Hail!!!
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
it aint just poor ppl who hang out their wash
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Hail, Hail!!!