"The infamous clothesline question. . . " smh

oceaninmyeyes

I can't believe this. http://www.dryingforfreedom.com/

Don't get me wrong. There are certain articles of clothing, I don't want hung outside. They get hard and a little uncomfortable. But why is it illegal to hang out your clothes. And someone in the US was shot and killed simply because he wanted to dry his clothes outdoors? WTF! :wtf:

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"The US uses 25% of the world's energy and has 4% of the world's population. If the other people around the globe follow our bad example, the whole planet is driven toward disaster."

Cosmo

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PJ_Soul

It can be an eyesore. I wouldn't be happy if my neighbors were stringing up their laundry. It gives a feeling of being in a slum a littl bit IMO. But people generally need to calm the fuck down and be more tolerant of other people's behaviour. Sometimes things just aren't going to please everyone - that's life.

That said, I'm in support of bylaws banning the hanging of laundry outside where it can be seen by others.

hedonist

We used to dry some of our clothes on the line in our backyard when I was a kid. Always loved the smell - can't duplicate that with scented detergent! We could see our next-door neighbor doing the same...never bothered me or, as far as I can tell, my parents either.

But, it's not always doable or realistic. Our condo, for example, has bylaws on what can be kept or hung on our balconies. It's not always about those evil energy users - sometimes it's just...how things are.

I've lost no sleep over this particular aspect of my life.

josevolution

We humans here in North America are so petty with what's kosher and what's not :oops: fucking pathetic how da fuck someone's clothe drying in the air any of your concern they are someone elses clothes what is it blocking the view of the sky :oops: :oops: i'ts never bothered me than again i was brought up in a 3rd world country where everybody does it ....Leave it to the Americans to be all bothered by this :fp: :fp:

Jeanwah

Ya know, it's bullshit that it's an eyesore. You know what's an eyesore? Broken appliances, littered trash in the ditches, junked cars in fields and in people's yards. Apparently there's no widespread law about those. (littering may be illegal yet it's still everywhere. Hang your clothes out and you lose the clothes line and get fined).

You simply cannot compare drying clothes and sheets to junkyard eyesores.

The country expending the greatest amount of energy needs to get a grip at what's truly an eyesore, and to lay off back-to-basic ways of doing things without using up energy. I put my sheets and clothes out on my clothesline, there's no better and cheaper way to dry them. Good thing I live rurally, because tight-assed housing developments have a problem with everything that doesn't look 1st world perfect.

Jeanwah

hedonist wrote:

It's not always about those evil energy users - sometimes it's just...how things are.

Rather, it's about asthetics. Asthetics trump saving energy in energy abusing USA.

PJ_Soul

Jeanwah wrote:

Ya know, it's bullshit that it's an eyesore. You know what's an eyesore? Broken appliances, littered trash in the ditches, junked cars in fields and in people's yards. Apparently there's no widespread law about those. (littering may be illegal yet it's still everywhere. Hang your clothes out and you lose the clothes line and get fined).

You simply cannot compare drying clothes and sheets to junkyard eyesores.

The country expending the greatest amount of energy needs to get a grip at what's truly an eyesore, and to lay off back-to-basic ways of doing things without using up energy. I put my sheets and clothes out on my clothesline, there's no better and cheaper way to dry them. Good thing I live rurally, because tight-assed housing developments have a problem with everything that doesn't look 1st world perfect.

It's all in the eye of the beholder.
I think it's an eyesore. Just as bad as junked cars in the front yard. Graffiti, on the other hand, is not an eyesore to me, yet the city keeps painting over it. It's just a matter of opinion.
And there are other ways to hang dry clothes than to string it up for all to see. I hang or flat dry probably 70% of the clothes that I wear, but I do so inside on racks made for this purpose. Got them at Ikea for $10 each. My neighbors don't have to look at that mess. Lucky them.

Jeanwah

PJ_Soul wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Ya know, it's bullshit that it's an eyesore. You know what's an eyesore? Broken appliances, littered trash in the ditches, junked cars in fields and in people's yards. Apparently there's no widespread law about those. (littering may be illegal yet it's still everywhere. Hang your clothes out and you lose the clothes line and get fined).

You simply cannot compare drying clothes and sheets to junkyard eyesores.

The country expending the greatest amount of energy needs to get a grip at what's truly an eyesore, and to lay off back-to-basic ways of doing things without using up energy. I put my sheets and clothes out on my clothesline, there's no better and cheaper way to dry them. Good thing I live rurally, because tight-assed housing developments have a problem with everything that doesn't look 1st world perfect.

It's all in the eye of the beholder.
I think it's an eyesore. Just as bad as junked cars in the front yard. Graffiti, on the other hand, is not an eyesore to me, yet the city keeps painting over it. It's just a matter of opinion.
And there are other ways to hang dry clothes than to string it up for all to see. I hang or flat dry probably 70% of the clothes that I wear, but I do so inside on racks made for this purpose. Got them at Ikea for $10 each. My neighbors don't have to look at that mess. Lucky them.

See, that's 1st world asthetics for ya! "It's ugly! Eek! Make it go away!!!!" Tell me, in what way does someone's laundry infringe on you?? Or what someone does in their bedroom for that matter? It DOESN'T.

That mindset also prevents us from erecting solar panels and wind turbines in the U.S. as well.

Developments are not only known for fining and eradicating clothes lines, they're doing it to solar and wind energy as well. And people wonder why we're not as advanced in renewables as other countries are... :roll:

PJ_Soul

Jeanwah wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Ya know, it's bullshit that it's an eyesore. You know what's an eyesore? Broken appliances, littered trash in the ditches, junked cars in fields and in people's yards. Apparently there's no widespread law about those. (littering may be illegal yet it's still everywhere. Hang your clothes out and you lose the clothes line and get fined).

You simply cannot compare drying clothes and sheets to junkyard eyesores.

The country expending the greatest amount of energy needs to get a grip at what's truly an eyesore, and to lay off back-to-basic ways of doing things without using up energy. I put my sheets and clothes out on my clothesline, there's no better and cheaper way to dry them. Good thing I live rurally, because tight-assed housing developments have a problem with everything that doesn't look 1st world perfect.

It's all in the eye of the beholder.
I think it's an eyesore. Just as bad as junked cars in the front yard. Graffiti, on the other hand, is not an eyesore to me, yet the city keeps painting over it. It's just a matter of opinion.
And there are other ways to hang dry clothes than to string it up for all to see. I hang or flat dry probably 70% of the clothes that I wear, but I do so inside on racks made for this purpose. Got them at Ikea for $10 each. My neighbors don't have to look at that mess. Lucky them.

See, that's 1st world asthetics for ya! "It's ugly! Eek! Make it go away!!!!" That mindset also prevents us from erecting solar panels and wind turbines in the U.S. as well.

Developments are not only known for fining and eradicating clothes lines, they're doing it to solar and wind energy as well. And people wonder why we're not as advanced in renewables as other countries are... :roll:

I don't have "mindset". I like solar panels and wind turbines. Stop paining me with a brush please. I simply think a bunch of clothes hanging out on strings looks bad.
But also, I am not ashamed of being influenced by the culture that I am from. "1st World aesthetics?" "It's ugly! Eek! Make it go away!" .... Um, yeah, I'd rather not look at shit that I think is ugly. I don't think people in the 3rd world like to either. It's just that they don't have a choice in the matter. :fp: You think that people in the 3rd world would turn down a washer/dryer if they were offered it???? Um, no.

oceaninmyeyes

I'm not saying everybody should have to hang out their clothes. And I am not the energy police. But up to 10% of a household's energy going to the clothes dryer. Air drying saves money, energy, helps clothes last longer, decreases risk of dryer fires and may slow climate change.

The way I see it - every little bit helps. When we bought our current home, I specifically did not want a homeowner's association, and I wanted a clothesline. I was so happy when it was already here, installed by the previous owners who were moving back to Taiwan. My friend who is in France does not own a dryer. She lives in the French Alps and always hangs her clothes outside. As I said before, I don't hang everything on it, but is a great place to dry a comforter, or to hand a soggy sleeping bag from a winter camping trip.

I get that it's not for everybody, but why would an entire community ban it when we are faced with the electrical troubles - old grid, not enough power plants, rolling blackouts in summer - that we already have?
I guess the good news is that some states are making it illegal to ban the clotheslines, including Vermont, Colorado and Maine. Yippee -- mine's in there.

oceaninmyeyes

PJ_Soul wrote:

: You think that people in the 3rd world would turn down a washer/dryer if they were offered it???? Um, no.

Do you think our climate can take the rest of the world living up to our "ideals" and using 10% more energy than they do in the process?

chadwick

josevolution wrote:

We humans here in North America are so petty with what's kosher and what's not :oops: fucking pathetic how da fuck someone's clothe drying in the air any of your concern they are someone elses clothes what is it blocking the view of the sky :oops: :oops: i'ts never bothered me than again i was brought up in a 3rd world country where everybody does it ....Leave it to the Americans to be all bothered by this :fp: :fp:

love you the most
at pearl jam we sit together

americans are sissies & pansy ass candy ass pricks who can't look at laundry hanging in another fucker's back yard & they can't look at a frickin woodpile for someone's wood stove!... "you gotta move that shit out back"

some places you can't even put in a god damn garden or park a small camper or boat in your own driveway

this is preposterous

im moving to god damn where ever it is

Jeanwah

chadwick wrote:

josevolution wrote:

We humans here in North America are so petty with what's kosher and what's not :oops: fucking pathetic how da fuck someone's clothe drying in the air any of your concern they are someone elses clothes what is it blocking the view of the sky :oops: :oops: i'ts never bothered me than again i was brought up in a 3rd world country where everybody does it ....Leave it to the Americans to be all bothered by this :fp: :fp:

love you the most
at pearl jam we sit together

americans are sissies & pansy ass candy ass pricks who can't look at laundry hanging in another fucker's back yard & they can't look at a frickin woodpile for someone's wood stove!... "you gotta move that shit out back"

some places you can't even put in a god damn garden or park a small camper or boat in your own driveway

this is preposterous

im moving to god damn where ever it is

You can move here. Rural Upstate.

And kudos to the states that are making it illegal to ban the clotheslines!

Jeanwah

PJ_Soul wrote:

I don't have "mindset". I like solar panels and wind turbines. Stop paining me with a brush please. I simply think a bunch of clothes hanging out on strings looks bad.
But also, I am not ashamed of being influenced by the culture that I am from. "1st World aesthetics?" "It's ugly! Eek! Make it go away!" .... Um, yeah, I'd rather not look at shit that I think is ugly. I don't think people in the 3rd world like to either. It's just that they don't have a choice in the matter. :fp: You think that people in the 3rd world would turn down a washer/dryer if they were offered it???? Um, no.

Ya know what 3rd world people wouldn't turn away? Clean water. They couldn't care less about a clothes dryer. They need Clean Water!!!

Who Princess

When I think of how many years I used a clothesline, I'm kinda flabbergasted that people consider them eyesores. It's not like my clothes were hanging out there 24/7. And I also have one of those drying racks. They're handy in bad weather but they won't handle a whole load of laundry or a large item like a quilt or comforter.

oceaninmyeyes

Jeanwah wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I don't have "mindset". I like solar panels and wind turbines. Stop paining me with a brush please. I simply think a bunch of clothes hanging out on strings looks bad.
But also, I am not ashamed of being influenced by the culture that I am from. "1st World aesthetics?" "It's ugly! Eek! Make it go away!" .... Um, yeah, I'd rather not look at shit that I think is ugly. I don't think people in the 3rd world like to either. It's just that they don't have a choice in the matter. :fp: You think that people in the 3rd world would turn down a washer/dryer if they were offered it???? Um, no.

Ya know what 3rd world people wouldn't turn away? Clean water. They couldn't care less about a clothes dryer. They need Clean Water!!!

:thumbup:

PJ_Soul

oceaninmyeyes wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

: You think that people in the 3rd world would turn down a washer/dryer if they were offered it???? Um, no.

Do you think our climate can take the rest of the world living up to our "ideals" and using 10% more energy than they do in the process?

No. I'm not saying they SHOULD be offered washer/dryers. I'm just saying that this 3rd world vs 1st world aesthetic idea that Jeanwah mentioned doesn't hold up. I absolutely don't expect the rest of the world to "strive" towards our "ideals". On the contrary. But very poor people aren't hanging laundry because they love the appearance of old clothes hanging all over the place. That is the point I'm making.

whgarrett

Is this really a big deal?

COME ON PEOPLE

Home owners association. Don't you have the right to not live in one? Shouldn't you read what you can or cannot do before you agree to it?

Make it illegal to make it against the rules?

I must be missing something here.

In Tacoma I doubt my clothes would ever get dry if I put them outside except for the summer month or two.

oceaninmyeyes

http://daily.sightline.org/2012/02/21/c ... 19-states/

Apparently it is.

PJ_Soul

whgarrett wrote:

Is this really a big deal?

COME ON PEOPLE

Home owners association. Don't you have the right to not live in one? Shouldn't you read what you can or cannot do before you agree to it?

Make it illegal to make it against the rules?

I must be missing something here.

In Tacoma I doubt my clothes would ever get dry if I put them outside except for the summer month or two.

It's not really the same if you're talking about city bylaws though, and many cities do have a bylaw that you can't have laundry hanging in view of the street (at least).

chadwick

some places won't allow you to have a pool in your backyard unless underground. all above ground pools will be lit of fire immediately

whgarrett

That is a little ridiculous, but how hard is it to hide from the street?

PJ_Soul

whgarrett wrote:

That is a little ridiculous, but how hard is it to hide from the street?

It depends, right? It would be impossible if your lot is on a corner with a lower fence, for example. Or in a townhouse complex. There are plenty of back yards that can be seen.

chadwick

living in america is very teenage girly

actually worse

we're talkin real fucked up. you can't be a fucking american anymore. you can't have a god damn basketball hoop set-up in your driveway hooked onto your garage

your yard aint got a old ass LTD on bricks does it? your high dollar bullshit neighbors might be calling the law on ya & cause granny's hanging out her old bras & fancy old people underwears

america these days is for the fragile
fact

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

living in america is very teenage girly

actually worse

we're talkin real fucked up. you can't be a fucking american anymore. you can't have a god damn basketball hoop set-up in your driveway hooked onto your garage

your yard aint got a old ass LTD on bricks does it? your high dollar bullshit neighbors might be calling the law on ya & cause granny's hanging out her old bras & fancy old people underwears

america these days is for the fragile
fact

I think you are exaggerating a LOT (and what in the fuck do you mean by "girlie"?). Most of America isn't subjected to most of that. It's just that we hear about these things because they piss some people off (or, really it's the whiners who instigate such rules that piss people off). Although I do think it's totally reasonable to have some limits. It's not cool at all to make all your neighbors look at rusted out cars on cinder blocks. I think it's good to try and keep neighborhoods looking nice, to a point. And then there are fucking strata rules, like you're only allowed to have a certain colour of blinds in the window, or aren't allowed to have a door knocker. :roll:

chadwick

im not exaggerating a lot at all.

i myself chadwick may not install a clothesline where i live. i live in a little ass farm town

i know of places elsewhere in the u.s. where no more than 2 cars may be parked in your driveway with no cars parked on the street in front of the home. no basketball hoop mounted to garage & no above ground pool out back. no boat in driveway. no camper/rv parked in driveway.no window mounted air conditioners. the list is large, the list is bulky & plastic

if i want an old ass car resting on blocks in my yard that is my choice. i don't but if i have that it is fine & not my problem or anyones. it is my shitty car in and on my shitty ass lawn or well kept lawn which in some places must be a exact species of grass and no other.

shetellsherself

Wow I had no idea that clotheslines were so controversial. I assume that my neighbors are unique in not being bothered by the dozens of cloth diapers that used to hang drying peacefully in the sun when my babes were little. I do remember when we were looking at homes (before kids) and considering condos and noticing that some of the communities had rules against clotheslines and thinking that was a good reason to look for a single family house. So I guess it did factor into my decision a bit and I was free to make that choice knowing the options.

chadwick

many americans are fake & don't know shit about having shit hard

many americans may need a wake up call into what is real & what is not

if you're bent outta shape about another's laundry drying you're out of order as a human being & deserve to be cut

Jeanwah

PJ_Soul wrote:

oceaninmyeyes wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

: You think that people in the 3rd world would turn down a washer/dryer if they were offered it???? Um, no.

Do you think our climate can take the rest of the world living up to our "ideals" and using 10% more energy than they do in the process?

No. I'm not saying they SHOULD be offered washer/dryers. I'm just saying that this 3rd world vs 1st world aesthetic idea that Jeanwah mentioned doesn't hold up. I absolutely don't expect the rest of the world to "strive" towards our "ideals". On the contrary. But very poor people aren't hanging laundry because they love the appearance of old clothes hanging all over the place. That is the point I'm making.

What I meant was that we are wrapped up in how everything looks, our image and status symbols over being energy conscious. 3rd world countries are just getting by. Nothing is aesthetic. :?:

whgarrett

Get off your high horse Jeanwah

Maybe you should dry some of your underwear with a fabric softener dryer sheet, cause you seem a little uptight.