By the apparent desperation in the words and videos, I suspect there is some growing doubt and dissention. Itll work itself out, and I would suspect with the end of the Kim Jong rule.
Hopefully (and more likely), the new leadership will have some kind of reasonability.
The only thing I am worried about is if this Kim Jong Un gets so desperate, as a last resort, turns the artillery on Seoul (and not the Klausen kind). That would cause a lot of damage and innocent death. No doubt that our and SK's forces would obliterate NK's military in a matter of hours... but I dont believe most in their military knows what the hell is going on. The second they realized what Kim Jong got them in to, they would just as soon quit.
By the apparent desperation in the words and videos, I suspect there is some growing doubt and dissention. Itll work itself out, and I would suspect with the end of the Kim Jong rule.
Hopefully (and more likely), the new leadership will have some kind of reasonability.
The only thing I am worried about is if this Kim Jong Un gets so desperate, as a last resort, turns the artillery on Seoul (and not the Klausen kind). That would cause a lot of damage and innocent death. No doubt that our and SK's forces would obliterate NK's military in a matter of hours... but I dont believe most in their military knows what the hell is going on. The second they realized what Kim Jong got them in to, they would just as soon quit.
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Great points.
Warriors will fight and die for home and family... not for dictators. We saw this with Saddam Hussein.
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Now, Hitler... that was different. He turned the defeated, war beaten, poverty stricken Gemany into an industrial machine and brought out the nationalistic pride of the German people. Kim Jong Fatass is no Hitler.
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Hail, Hail!!!
With a pre-emptive war. The world will see how backwards and incapable NK truly is and we will again look like monsters..... and also be expected to cover the tab again.
With a pre-emptive war. The world will see how backwards and incapable NK truly is and we will again look like monsters..... and also be expected to cover the tab again.
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Agreed. All we need is another pre-emptive war on some bullshit dictator with a military whose arsenal includes a ton of white flags. Nation building... we've already proven that we suck at that.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I agree, but I'm sure he already has someone just as kooky to replace him.
I am personally really worried about this situation, because I don't think that the guy with his finger on the button is sane. At all.
Time for these assholes to be shut down though, one way or another. Enough is enough..... I hope that the US and SK are ready for a lot of refugees though.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
over an hour & a half long & pretty amazing. im at 16 minutes and on pause to share this lovely video with you good folks. it is graphic as it shows war images, death & suffering around the globe. the u.s. is a ridiculous disaster actually not that korea is not. this world's people has a lot of problems.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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We had this older Korean gentleman who used to come into the book store fairly frequently. He was difficult to understand but very gentle and very friendly and I always like seeing him (he has since passed away). I am thankful for that nice old Korean man because he reminded me that the craziness is about the bat-shit crazy leaders in N.K., not the people.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
over an hour & a half long & pretty amazing. im at 16 minutes and on pause to share this lovely video with you good folks. it is graphic as it shows war images, death & suffering around the globe. the u.s. is a ridiculous disaster actually not that korea is not. this world's people has a lot of problems.
The first half of that doc is pretty clever and very well done - but the last 20 minutes or so spirals too hard into fashion and celeb bashing to feel particularly authentic. Wonderful film either way in my opinion and worth a watch by everybody.
We had this older Korean gentleman who used to come into the book store fairly frequently. He was difficult to understand but very gentle and very friendly and I always like seeing him (he has since passed away). I am thankful for that nice old Korean man because he reminded me that the craziness is about the bat-shit crazy leaders in N.K., not the people.
Well of course.... Well.... I can say that South Koreans are cool. They have good senses of humour. But I can't speak for North Koreans, or what they're like at all, because I've never met one. They aren't allowed to leave North Korea. I doubt that the man you got to know, Brian, was North Korean, and if he was, he was one of the very few who managed to escape. But I have the feeling that South Koreans and North Koreans must be VERY different kinds of people, since they are living vastly different lives. From what I do know, North Koreans are victims of a whole lot of very fucked up propaganda, have no concept of what the rest of the world is actually like because most to all of their information is controlled by the government, and they are subject to unimaginable levels of repression.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I disagree as I don't want our country involved at all. I certainly don't want Bay of Pigs round 2, either.
I don't think that the US has a choice as to whether or not they're involved. They are not the aggressors in this scenario, and this is nothing like the situation that caused the Bay of Pigs crisis (though the climax of this whoel thing could be similar). I think the US has tried to avoid serious conflict with N. Korea for as long as they could.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I disagree as I don't want our country involved at all. I certainly don't want Bay of Pigs round 2, either.
I don't think that the US has a choice as to whether or not they're involved. They are not the aggressors in this scenario, and this is nothing like the situation that caused the Bay of Pigs crisis (though the climax of this whoel thing could be similar). I think the US has tried to avoid serious conflict with N. Korea for as long as they could.
Of course it isn't the same scenario, I just don't want to see it turn into the same outcome. We don't need to be assassinating leaders of countries.
If they want to attack us or other countries, best of luck. The missile will be shot down and their country will be turned to dust in a matter of days.
That's not how I want it to go and I don't think Un is that big of an idiot.
I disagree as I don't want our country involved at all. I certainly don't want Bay of Pigs round 2, either.
I don't think that the US has a choice as to whether or not they're involved. They are not the aggressors in this scenario, and this is nothing like the situation that caused the Bay of Pigs crisis (though the climax of this whoel thing could be similar). I think the US has tried to avoid serious conflict with N. Korea for as long as they could.
Of course it isn't the same scenario, I just don't want to see it turn into the same outcome. We don't need to be assassinating leaders of countries.
If they want to attack us or other countries, best of luck. The missile will be shot down and their country will be turned to dust in a matter of days.
That's not how I want it to go and I don't think Un is that big of an idiot.
Oh, I'd rather see Kim Jong Un get assassinated than first South Korea being attacked, and then North Korea attacked in retaliation. Assassinating that cocksucker could prevent a war. On the other hand, assassinating that cocksucker could actually escalate things, depending on who steps up in defense of him, i.e. whoever he's got lined up to step in for him (who might that be??), or even China might decide to jump in and increase tensions???? God knows where this could go. :? Pretty tricky little situation, and Kim Jong Un is in the driver's seat right now, which is pretty much the worst case scenario, depending on just how far he's willing to take this. At this point, I think the UN is completely ineffective in the matter (due to no fault of their own, really - they just don't have any particularly viable options).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
The UN is typically ineffective all the time. I've found them to be good for nothing but harboring a goldmine of statistics... but that's for another time. :fp:
No need to worry, I'm 99% sure the CIA is working on something.... *sigh* busy times for them! North Korea and setting up weapons distribution for Syrian Rebels.
The U.S. shouldn't be killing off leaders to other countries, the U.S. shouldn't be involved in a preemptive strike, and I'm not saying I disagree, but what are the other options?
Let him toss a few missles over the boader into the South? Or at Japan?
Or any of our bases within reach?
That would only lead to us hitting them back, and hard.
Why not just take the guy out with one well placed shot to avoid that? Again, I'm just looking for possible
solutions here, I don't know if I agree with assassinating him, I just like the the odds of doing that and a few
dying as opposed to 1000's or more by letting him go.
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
We had this older Korean gentleman who used to come into the book store fairly frequently. He was difficult to understand but very gentle and very friendly and I always like seeing him (he has since passed away). I am thankful for that nice old Korean man because he reminded me that the craziness is about the bat-shit crazy leaders in N.K., not the people.
a young south korean gentleman named, Jew, taught me complex math as he was one of my many math tutors. this dude was sharp as a fucking razor & as awesome as one could ever become. Jew is a straight up genius & he made me laugh all the time.
I asked him where he was from. he replies, "i'm north korean" then he watches me to see if im whiggin out which i'm not. he then says he is kidding with me & says he is south korean. in south korea the youth are running a badass algebra, calculus or physics calculator at age 4 or 5. hence Jew being one badass son of a bitch at solving difficult math problems.
however, Jew, is no Ian either. I witnessed Ian do Jew's calculus or physics homework upside down in light speed timing. Ian is a portly american kid.
The U.S. shouldn't be killing off leaders to other countries, the U.S. shouldn't be involved in a preemptive strike, and I'm not saying I disagree, but what are the other options?
Let him toss a few missles over the boader into the South? Or at Japan?
Or any of our bases within reach?
That would only lead to us hitting them back, and hard.
Why not just take the guy out with one well placed shot to avoid that? Again, I'm just looking for possible
solutions here, I don't know if I agree with assassinating him, I just like the the odds of doing that and a few
dying as opposed to 1000's or more by letting him go.
Defense.
We have the capability to shoot rockets out of the air
The U.S. shouldn't be killing off leaders to other countries, the U.S. shouldn't be involved in a preemptive strike, and I'm not saying I disagree, but what are the other options?
Let him toss a few missles over the boader into the South? Or at Japan?
Or any of our bases within reach?
That would only lead to us hitting them back, and hard.
Why not just take the guy out with one well placed shot to avoid that? Again, I'm just looking for possible
solutions here, I don't know if I agree with assassinating him, I just like the the odds of doing that and a few
dying as opposed to 1000's or more by letting him go.
Defense.
We have the capability to shoot rockets out of the air
Or so they say
I get that.... and that works... I mean, if it really WORKS. lol
Not sure i want an on the job test though when so many lives are at stake here.
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
The U.S. shouldn't be killing off leaders to other countries, the U.S. shouldn't be involved in a preemptive strike, and I'm not saying I disagree, but what are the other options?
Let him toss a few missles over the boader into the South? Or at Japan?
Or any of our bases within reach?
That would only lead to us hitting them back, and hard.
Why not just take the guy out with one well placed shot to avoid that? Again, I'm just looking for possible
solutions here, I don't know if I agree with assassinating him, I just like the the odds of doing that and a few
dying as opposed to 1000's or more by letting him go.
Defense.
We have the capability to shoot rockets out of the air
Or so they say
I get that.... and that works... I mean, if it really WORKS. lol
Not sure i want an on the job test though when so many lives are at stake here.
wouldn't they probably have been blown to shit if the US gov't didn't have full faith in its ability to shoot the rockets down?
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that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Stevie Johnson (Buffalo Bills WR) thoughts on the N. Korea threats ...
"North Korea tripping hard AF right now. Chill out with that Nuke talk. War is nothing to be played with. I apologize North Korea........but if y'all do bomb 1st... Bomb Foxboro, Mass."
We have the capability to shoot rockets out of the air
Or so they say
I get that.... and that works... I mean, if it really WORKS. lol
Not sure i want an on the job test though when so many lives are at stake here.
wouldn't they probably have been blown to shit if the US gov't didn't have full faith in its ability to shoot the rockets down?
No. The US doesn't take blowing the shit out of N. Korea - a country that China likes to side with when they want to try and scare people - lightly. N. Korea is going to actually have to bomb something for the US to do anything other than chest pounding.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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excitable anyone?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
By the apparent desperation in the words and videos, I suspect there is some growing doubt and dissention. Itll work itself out, and I would suspect with the end of the Kim Jong rule.
Hopefully (and more likely), the new leadership will have some kind of reasonability.
The only thing I am worried about is if this Kim Jong Un gets so desperate, as a last resort, turns the artillery on Seoul (and not the Klausen kind). That would cause a lot of damage and innocent death. No doubt that our and SK's forces would obliterate NK's military in a matter of hours... but I dont believe most in their military knows what the hell is going on. The second they realized what Kim Jong got them in to, they would just as soon quit.
Great points.
Warriors will fight and die for home and family... not for dictators. We saw this with Saddam Hussein.
...
Now, Hitler... that was different. He turned the defeated, war beaten, poverty stricken Gemany into an industrial machine and brought out the nationalistic pride of the German people. Kim Jong Fatass is no Hitler.
Hail, Hail!!!
With a pre-emptive war. The world will see how backwards and incapable NK truly is and we will again look like monsters..... and also be expected to cover the tab again.
these folks break bricks & wrestle around
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Agreed. All we need is another pre-emptive war on some bullshit dictator with a military whose arsenal includes a ton of white flags. Nation building... we've already proven that we suck at that.
Hail, Hail!!!
Impressive.
Here is how our Air Force breaks bricks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf7m7hN5Szc
Hail, Hail!!!
I think its time the CIA took this guy out.
I am personally really worried about this situation, because I don't think that the guy with his finger on the button is sane. At all.
Time for these assholes to be shut down though, one way or another. Enough is enough..... I hope that the US and SK are ready for a lot of refugees though.
North Korea Exposes the Western Propaganda (Full Documentary)
over an hour & a half long & pretty amazing. im at 16 minutes and on pause to share this lovely video with you good folks. it is graphic as it shows war images, death & suffering around the globe. the u.s. is a ridiculous disaster actually not that korea is not. this world's people has a lot of problems.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
The first half of that doc is pretty clever and very well done - but the last 20 minutes or so spirals too hard into fashion and celeb bashing to feel particularly authentic. Wonderful film either way in my opinion and worth a watch by everybody.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I disagree as I don't want our country involved at all. I certainly don't want Bay of Pigs round 2, either.
Of course it isn't the same scenario, I just don't want to see it turn into the same outcome. We don't need to be assassinating leaders of countries.
If they want to attack us or other countries, best of luck. The missile will be shot down and their country will be turned to dust in a matter of days.
That's not how I want it to go and I don't think Un is that big of an idiot.
No need to worry, I'm 99% sure the CIA is working on something.... *sigh* busy times for them! North Korea and setting up weapons distribution for Syrian Rebels.
The U.S. shouldn't be killing off leaders to other countries, the U.S. shouldn't be involved in a preemptive strike, and I'm not saying I disagree, but what are the other options?
Let him toss a few missles over the boader into the South? Or at Japan?
Or any of our bases within reach?
That would only lead to us hitting them back, and hard.
Why not just take the guy out with one well placed shot to avoid that? Again, I'm just looking for possible
solutions here, I don't know if I agree with assassinating him, I just like the the odds of doing that and a few
dying as opposed to 1000's or more by letting him go.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
I asked him where he was from. he replies, "i'm north korean" then he watches me to see if im whiggin out which i'm not. he then says he is kidding with me & says he is south korean. in south korea the youth are running a badass algebra, calculus or physics calculator at age 4 or 5. hence Jew being one badass son of a bitch at solving difficult math problems.
however, Jew, is no Ian either. I witnessed Ian do Jew's calculus or physics homework upside down in light speed timing. Ian is a portly american kid.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Defense.
We have the capability to shoot rockets out of the air
Or so they say
I get that.... and that works... I mean, if it really WORKS. lol
Not sure i want an on the job test though when so many lives are at stake here.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
wouldn't they probably have been blown to shit if the US gov't didn't have full faith in its ability to shoot the rockets down?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Coopers in Llano? Where in Gruene?
Gristmill in Gruene. Super awesome babyback ribs, fall right off the bone.
"North Korea tripping hard AF right now. Chill out with that Nuke talk. War is nothing to be played with. I apologize North Korea........but if y'all do bomb 1st... Bomb Foxboro, Mass."
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:thumbup:
:corn: