****Official Camden Bitch thread****

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  • LeilaMoonTurtleLeilaMoonTurtle Posts: 1,418
    If you kept moving from your seat maybe that is why he kept asking for your ticket.

    which by the way I don't understand why move around during the show--did u not go to see the band? the band is playing don't leave your seat.

    The is it philly/nj thing I don't understand
    first time there and I knew what state I was in.

    the crowd sucked.



    What is up with the Camden Police making sure we all get a tour of the number 1 murder spot in the USA both before and after the show? Camden is always grid locked but by now the cops should have it down.

    What was up with the ending of beer sales shortly after the show started?

    10 Club Member since 91. Thanks to my 107XXX number I have always had good seats. Thanks 10 Club. Just wondering why I ended up in 104 front row blocked by poles and speakers, worst seats I had at any show, let alone one where club members get preferred seating. Then having the SAME security guard ask about every other song for my tickets. After about the 7th time asked him why? Answer he is doing his job. Went to the Lawn and had a much better view. Went back to catch the last Encore, should have stayed on the Lawn.

    Ed + DNA WTF? The fellas they brought up on with them sure play a mean tambourine.

    Camden is not Philly. It is funny how everyone who plays the Tweeter goes through the "is this Philly or Camden" bit. Spectrum is the best venue for a show. Great vibe. You can’t get a bad show there. I think if last nights crowd was indoors rather than a outdoor shed it would have been a whole different vibe.

    OK there were much better points. Decent set list. Did not expect Leash again and Animal both welcomed surprises. Over all a good show.

    Back to lurk mode,

    LavaMan
  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,394
    This thread sucks.

    #1 DRINK BEFORE THE SHOWS, give me a break.
    #2 You had shitty seats because a lot of 10c members went to this show, and unlike Wachovia and others, there are no sides so it just filters back... I had a sweet side seat in Wachovia but couldn't see jack shit last night. You know what?! I still had fun, fuck those who didn't!
    #3 If you're not having a good time at a PEARL JAM concert, you are seeing too many and need a wake up call. Go see Fall Out Boy, come back, and you will be saved my friend.
    #4 If you're still not having fun in row 10, because its not front row, you also need a wake up call. Next show, find me, and we'll trade tickets, and you can sit in binocular land and I'll rock out just the same but with better seats :cool:
    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,394
    Oh and a comment on the merch people, we all know they don't give a shit about the poster rule and I can't blame them. Theres a mob of us crazies, all demanding shit, and they just want their shift to be over.

    When I finally got to the front, I was trying to claim the non-mint poster that no one wanted, and I pulled it a little towards me and the merch guy shot me a DIRTY look. Then when he finally served me, he said "$25", and I told him I wanted a shirt, got me that, told me my total, and I said I wanted a hoodie... GOD he was like "WTF" and got me a hoodie... haha, he was a dick, but I went to a different stand and the guys were much nicer :)
    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
  • I'm a long time fan of Pearl Jam but new to this board. Reading some of this makes me realize why I never joined a message board before. Obviously people are going to be a-holes no matter what so lets just remember that essentially what brought on the last three pages of bickering is posters. Sheets of paper with screen print on it. Not to mention I saw people physically escorted out for doing a lot less than drenching someone in alcohol.
  • 10_pearljam10_pearljam Posts: 172
    St.KittsAP wrote:
    wasting beer is not cool. for whatever reason.


    THAT is a valid argument and for that, I am truly sorry!!!
    He is alive but feels absolutely nothing.
    So is he?
    When he was six he believed that the moon overhead followed him.
    By nine he had deciphered the illusion trading magic for fact.
    No tradebacks...
    So this is what it's like to be an adult
    If he only knew now what he knew then...
  • 10_pearljam10_pearljam Posts: 172
    no, sorry. i'm quite attractive, or so i've been told.

    i didn't even buy ONE, because i hate having to worry about it during the show. so i don't give a shit how many someone buys, to be honest. thanks for your kind wishes, tho. you just keep coming up with new ways to be rude!

    and it's not okay for either you or her to be an asshole. but if you're calling her one, it makes more sense if you don't act like one as well. kinda simple, really.


    in no way was i saying you were ugly...don't take it that way. i'm usually not an asshole either, but she was a real bitch and knew she was...
    He is alive but feels absolutely nothing.
    So is he?
    When he was six he believed that the moon overhead followed him.
    By nine he had deciphered the illusion trading magic for fact.
    No tradebacks...
    So this is what it's like to be an adult
    If he only knew now what he knew then...
  • 10_pearljam10_pearljam Posts: 172
    I'm a long time fan of Pearl Jam but new to this board. Reading some of this makes me realize why I never joined a message board before. Obviously people are going to be a-holes no matter what so lets just remember that essentially what brought on the last three pages of bickering is posters. Sheets of paper with screen print on it. Not to mention I saw people physically escorted out for doing a lot less than drenching someone in alcohol.


    i didn't drench her...just the table that happened to have her rolled posters on it...accidently...
    He is alive but feels absolutely nothing.
    So is he?
    When he was six he believed that the moon overhead followed him.
    By nine he had deciphered the illusion trading magic for fact.
    No tradebacks...
    So this is what it's like to be an adult
    If he only knew now what he knew then...
  • SPALMASPALMA Posts: 2,279
    What does fat have to do with being bitchy or greedy? do people describe you as a righteous, short fused follower with a small dick?
    "I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
    J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher

    I raise my Freak Flag High!!
  • beetlebeetle Posts: 39
    This thread sucks.


    #4 If you're still not having fun in row 10, because its not front row, you also need a wake up call. Next show, find me, and we'll trade tickets, and you can sit in binocular land and I'll rock out just the same but with better seats :cool:
    just a side note-binoculars have been banned by pearl jam at the shows..
    and i agree this thread does suck and i'm ashamed to have just bumped this to the top...forgive me
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me

    8-23-00,8-24-00,4-30-03,7-08-03,7-09-03,7-11-03,9-28-04,9-29-04,10-1-04,5-13-06,5-27-06,6-01-06,6-03-06
  • kidapollokidapollo Posts: 75
    There were a lot of people with extra posters, and it pisses me off. I got one, but I always get in as early as possible to make sure I get one. I think the biggest problem is the folks working the merchandise booths. They're local to the venue, and maybe they aren't prepared for the onslaught of rabid fans. They may not understand why the poster limit exists. Cleveland did a great job of enforcing the limit. Boston didn't adhere to it at all. Obviously they didn't do such a great job of enforcing it in Camden, either.

    I think they should separate the posters from the other merchandise. Set up stands for posters alone. How pissed does it make you to stand in line behind someone who wants to hold each and every shirt up against themselves to see if its their color or not? Then they want to know what's in the program. Do the socks come in pairs? Are the stickers sticky? Where's the hoodie that my friend bought last week? GET THE FUCK OUTTA THE WAY.

    The band has separate booths for the blue wave and avocado posters (which I buy at each venue for securing my Ames poster, so if someone spilled a beer on my shit, because it looked like I had more than one ... they'd be way off and I'd be fucking irate). Why can't the band have those folks sell the official posters also?

    And, to the dude who did spill the beer on the woman with 10 posters ... you probably only ruined the outside one, douchebag, so don't crown yourself the King of Camden so easily. The unkindness you show others will return to you one day. I hope it's in the form of a bus grille. Prick.
    I MET SIR MIKE F'N McCREADY!!!!!!!!
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  • you know, I've been thinking about drinking at concerts:

    when they cut everyone off, what happens is everyone rides their little beer high for a half hour, maybe an hour. then they start coming down. and no one likes to come down off of an alcohol buzz, major bummer.

    which is why, before the show, I loudly announced to everyone around me that drinking at a concert was a no-no, you SMOKE POT at a concert (not a lot, enough to 'kick back').

    No spilled beer, no barfing, no obnoxious assholes, no fights, no 'coming down buzzkill'. Just a bunch of people, receptive and grooving their asses off to the music.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
    (even though I've only gotten high once in the past five or so years)

    JMHO
    9/11/98 5/3/03 9/28/04 10/3/05 05/27/06 6/22/08 6/25/08
  • 10_pearljam10_pearljam Posts: 172
    SPALMA wrote:
    What does fat have to do with being bitchy or greedy? do people describe you as a righteous, short fused follower with a small dick?

    no...just small dicked.
    He is alive but feels absolutely nothing.
    So is he?
    When he was six he believed that the moon overhead followed him.
    By nine he had deciphered the illusion trading magic for fact.
    No tradebacks...
    So this is what it's like to be an adult
    If he only knew now what he knew then...
  • 10_pearljam10_pearljam Posts: 172
    kidapollo wrote:
    There were a lot of people with extra posters, and it pisses me off. I got one, but I always get in as early as possible to make sure I get one. I think the biggest problem is the folks working the merchandise booths. They're local to the venue, and maybe they aren't prepared for the onslaught of rabid fans. They may not understand why the poster limit exists. Cleveland did a great job of enforcing the limit. Boston didn't adhere to it at all. Obviously they didn't do such a great job of enforcing it in Camden, either.

    I think they should separate the posters from the other merchandise. Set up stands for posters alone. How pissed does it make you to stand in line behind someone who wants to hold each and every shirt up against themselves to see if its their color or not? Then they want to know what's in the program. Do the socks come in pairs? Are the stickers sticky? Where's the hoodie that my friend bought last week? GET THE FUCK OUTTA THE WAY.

    The band has separate booths for the blue wave and avocado posters (which I buy at each venue for securing my Ames poster, so if someone spilled a beer on my shit, because it looked like I had more than one ... they'd be way off and I'd be fucking irate). Why can't the band have those folks sell the official posters also?

    And, to the dude who did spill the beer on the woman with 10 posters ... you probably only ruined the outside one, douchebag, so don't crown yourself the King of Camden so easily. The unkindness you show others will return to you one day. I hope it's in the form of a bus grille. Prick.


    no, it ruined mre than one...it sunk into the whored of posters she had like a...eeehhhhemmm...Big Wave. :) Stick it pal.
    He is alive but feels absolutely nothing.
    So is he?
    When he was six he believed that the moon overhead followed him.
    By nine he had deciphered the illusion trading magic for fact.
    No tradebacks...
    So this is what it's like to be an adult
    If he only knew now what he knew then...
  • Sexy2aFaultSexy2aFault Posts: 388
    Philadelphia fans everybody, givem a hand! From the people who booed Beyonce, hometown boy Kobe (before he raped a white woman no-less) at an All-Star game, opposing Football teams QB's...cough....after they got injured.....

    Yep.....These fine folks bring you this charming thread.....
  • kidapollokidapollo Posts: 75
    no, it ruined mre than one...it sunk into the whored of posters she had like a...eeehhhhemmm...Big Wave. :) Stick it pal.

    Well, pat yourself on the back then, buddy. And then go back to beating your girlfriend, or whatever else you guys from there do on a Sunday evening. The bottom line is, you picked on a girl ... you shouldn't be puffing up over it.

    Honestly, I don't like the poster whores, either. But resorting to a childish act of jealousy is beneath their greed.

    And it's spelled HOARD, not whored. But maybe you spilled beer on your dictionary, too.
    I MET SIR MIKE F'N McCREADY!!!!!!!!
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  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,394
    kidapollo wrote:
    I think they should separate the posters from the other merchandise. Set up stands for posters alone. How pissed does it make you to stand in line behind someone who wants to hold each and every shirt up against themselves to see if its their color or not? Then they want to know what's in the program. Do the socks come in pairs? Are the stickers sticky? Where's the hoodie that my friend bought last week? GET THE FUCK OUTTA THE WAY.

    Hahahahaha!! I think what pisses me off more is when I want a shirt and theres 39485793485 people in front of me trying to get a poster... I think the highlight of my night is when they announce theres no more posters and 20 people in front of me leave :p
    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
  • kidapollokidapollo Posts: 75
    Hahahahaha!! I think what pisses me off more is when I want a shirt and theres 39485793485 people in front of me trying to get a poster... I think the highlight of my night is when they announce theres no more posters and 20 people in front of me leave :p

    Yeah. I can see that would be as much a pain in the ass. You've put the shoe on the other foot for me, there. You have to agree, though, wouldn't it be easier to separate the posters and the other merch?

    Here's some things you probably hear while waiting behind poster people: HOW MANY ARE LEFT? ARE THERE ANY MORE? EXCUSE ME, SIR, YOU HAVE MORE OF THEM, RIGHT? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? CAN I BUY THE DISPLAY POSTER? IS IT AMES? IS IT KLAUSEN?

    Just throwing those out in the spirit of equal time and fairness.
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  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,394
    kidapollo wrote:
    Yeah. I can see that would be as much a pain in the ass. You've put the shoe on the other foot for me, there. You have to agree, though, wouldn't it be easier to separate the posters and the other merch?

    Here's some things you probably hear while waiting behind poster people: HOW MANY ARE LEFT? ARE THERE ANY MORE? EXCUSE ME, SIR, YOU HAVE MORE OF THEM, RIGHT? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? CAN I BUY THE DISPLAY POSTER? IS IT AMES? IS IT KLAUSEN?

    Just throwing those out in the spirit of equal time and fairness.

    Oh yeah, they should def separate the posters and the other merch, if they can afford to staff twice as many people and such. :/ So its almost hopeless there.

    Haha I heard a lot of "Can I get a poster for me and my friend?" and they don't give a shit... two posters for you. I'm just really annoyed by people who obviously aren't PJ fans, or are getting posters obviously for eBay... there was a whacky looking girl and her grandma who were strategizing how to get to the front of the line to get their posters... riigghhttt those aren't going on ebay... thankfully they didn't get one at either merch booth :D (I had to go to all 3 looking for a small hoodie)
    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
  • 10_pearljam10_pearljam Posts: 172
    kidapollo wrote:
    Well, pat yourself on the back then, buddy. And then go back to beating your girlfriend, or whatever else you guys from there do on a Sunday evening. The bottom line is, you picked on a girl ... you shouldn't be puffing up over it.

    Honestly, I don't like the poster whores, either. But resorting to a childish act of jealousy is beneath their greed.

    And it's spelled HOARD, not whored. But maybe you spilled beer on your dictionary, too.

    actually, i got my poster and my buddies...could've gotten more if i was an asshole like you and her...by the way einstein, WHORED was spelled like that for a reason genius. But I wouldn't expect a hick from central peencilvania to understand. How about next time...you wait and see Pearl Jam in Harrisburg...oh, nevermind, they don't go to Harrisburg...loser. Maybe Philly is just too much for a jag like you. I'll keep "picking" on girls, you stay in Harrisburg and sell your posters on ebay.
    He is alive but feels absolutely nothing.
    So is he?
    When he was six he believed that the moon overhead followed him.
    By nine he had deciphered the illusion trading magic for fact.
    No tradebacks...
    So this is what it's like to be an adult
    If he only knew now what he knew then...
  • What a truly wonderful thread...so much love.
    walk the bridges,.......before you burn them down
  • SPALMASPALMA Posts: 2,279
    no...just small dicked.


    .............. ;)

    Night night.
    "I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
    J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher

    I raise my Freak Flag High!!
  • kidapollokidapollo Posts: 75
    actually, i got my poster and my buddies...could've gotten more if i was an asshole like you and her...by the way einstein, WHORED was spelled like that for a reason genius. But I wouldn't expect a hick from central peencilvania to understand. How about next time...you wait and see Pearl Jam in Harrisburg...oh, nevermind, they don't go to Harrisburg...loser. Maybe Philly is just too much for a jag like you. I'll keep "picking" on girls, you stay in Harrisburg and sell your posters on ebay.

    They played Hershey in '03, douchebag. That's about 20 miles from Harrisburg. Do your homework, you stupid ass. Plus, I'll go wherever I have to for a show. And, I bought one poster. I have a bunch of them from a bunch of shows. But only one from each show I've been to. I also have a bunch of other Ames stuff ... and I've never sold any of it. So, spill a beer to that.

    I still cannot believe that you would brag about spilling beer on a woman's stuff. That's all I'm going to say, I'm done with you.
    I MET SIR MIKE F'N McCREADY!!!!!!!!
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    Member #0020

    Last Exit: Pittsburgh
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  • I believe the band has asked for beer sales to be cut off a 9pm....at least that's what I heard in Boston

    you've been a member since 1991, and your # is only 107XXX....strange. I met a guy in Boston who has been a member since the beginning, and his number, so he says, is 12XXX

    Seriously, my buddy got the last beer...the security guard tapped on his shoulder and said this is the last guy to get beer. He said because there were too many fights. Look at the stupid drunks in the parking lots! I love a beer, but oh my god, it was rediculous out there at points.
    finally, 5/27/06 Camden, NJ (philly)
  • Red PepperRed Pepper Posts: 2
    This thread sucks.

    #1 DRINK BEFORE THE SHOWS, give me a break.
    #2 You had shitty seats because a lot of 10c members went to this show, and unlike Wachovia and others, there are no sides so it just filters back... I had a sweet side seat in Wachovia but couldn't see jack shit last night. You know what?! I still had fun, fuck those who didn't!
    #3 If you're not having a good time at a PEARL JAM concert, you are seeing too many and need a wake up call. Go see Fall Out Boy, come back, and you will be saved my friend.
    #4 If you're still not having fun in row 10, because its not front row, you also need a wake up call. Next show, find me, and we'll trade tickets, and you can sit in binocular land and I'll rock out just the same but with better seats :cool:

    Couldn't agree more!! Well said OceansJenny!
  • 10_pearljam10_pearljam Posts: 172
    kidapollo wrote:
    They played Hershey in '03, douchebag. That's about 20 miles from Harrisburg. Do your homework, you stupid ass. Plus, I'll go wherever I have to for a show. And, I bought one poster. I have a bunch of them from a bunch of shows. But only one from each show I've been to. I also have a bunch of other Ames stuff ... and I've never sold any of it. So, spill a beer to that.

    I still cannot believe that you would brag about spilling beer on a woman's stuff. That's all I'm going to say, I'm done with you.


    Last time I checked, Hershey was not Harrisburg...hmmm. Again your small brain cannot comprehend a point. Maybe they changed the name and I am wrong? Maybe you should go to LA to see them..."That's about 2300 miles from Harrisburg." And of course you will "GO" where ever you have to b/c the band is not dumb enough to set up shop in that shit hole town of yours. Stay home you sod. Stay home and go hunting some coon meat or squirrel.

    Anyway Loser, I just want to thank God you are "done" with me...hope you earn a lot of money selling your posters on ebay!
    He is alive but feels absolutely nothing.
    So is he?
    When he was six he believed that the moon overhead followed him.
    By nine he had deciphered the illusion trading magic for fact.
    No tradebacks...
    So this is what it's like to be an adult
    If he only knew now what he knew then...
  • It saddens me to see fans of the band that act this way. I was hoping after '96 that PJ fans were becoming more aware and just happy with the brief moments they get to share with fellow jammers and the band at each venue. I really hope that we can move forward as fans and realize that not getting a poster isn't the equivalent of not seeing them at all. People do very insensitive sometimes thoughtless, greedy things but it is up to us, the Pearl Jam fans, to rise above that greedy nature and make the best of what we are given.
    "Congress has bigger issues than Barry Bonds"
  • i had no problems in camden either night
    Cheat the odds that made you
    Brave to try to gamble at times
  • wes_c_addlewes_c_addle Posts: 55
    Dirty Francis, thank you for saying that.

    To the pieces of garbage that have spent Memorial Day arguing about spilled beer, damaged posters and distance between Harrisburg and Hershey --

    If either of you would like to have the privilege and freedom to condemn one another for disagreeing about how many posters someone purchased, then you should know that this girl, right or wrong, has the same freedom to purchase 1,000 posters. She can put them on EBAY, donate them to children who could not go, frame them for family or plaster her house with them. It is of no concern to you what she does. You don't have to agree with it, and I don't agree with it. Take up your frustration with the vendor who sold them all to her.

    You are blaming someone who has the freedom of choice to do this. Why are you not blaming the vendor who was supposed to enforce this one poster limit?

    10_Pearljam - I am so glad that you needed to describe that this girl was a "fat chick" because that added so much rationale toward what you did. It appears that you felt the need to degrade her in your account of the story so that others may feel that it was justified to support your actions because she was fat.

    But at least you have a poster to commemorate the evening where you took it upon yourself to fight that international evil injustice and human rights violation of buying multiple posters.

    Last time I checked, there are perhaps other issues that you could dedicate your time and energy to that could actually help a person. You don't deserve a poster, nor to be there nor to have the privilege of ruining something that does not belong to you.

    I know exactly who you are, because I parked near you in Camden. How about you take your big pile of beer cans and garbage that you left for someone else to clean and shove them all up your fucking ass?

    You want to talk about disrespect because someone bought extra posters, and you have no fucking clue as to the reason why, but only a presumption? Maybe she needs the money, and better than selling drugs, she figures she could sell something that would make people happy.

    You and your white-trash frat boys should go take a look at that parking lot and know that someone with less than you have has to stand in 85 degree heat today and clean up your fucking mess you over-privileged, spoiled fuck?

    Keep you fucking hands away from people, and please do not populate our gene pool.
    "It changes your life in all kinds of ways and it's all positive. It seems like looking back, not having kids was like a waste of time." -e.v.
  • SPALMASPALMA Posts: 2,279
    Thank you and to DirtyFrancis as well. More and more, I do not want to be associated with these so-called "true" PJ fans.

    They're trigger-hair judgements and intolerance scare me. They just don't see the whole picture.
    "I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
    J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher

    I raise my Freak Flag High!!
  • They should do away with posters, since people just cant fucking handle themselves. IT'S JUST PAPER AND INK. The selfishness in this thread IS NOT what this band is about.
    walk the bridges,.......before you burn them down
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