Piers Morgan and Alex Jones

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Flutter Girl wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Here's some statistics:

10,000 people per year dead by gunfire in the US

2008 2,947 children in the US died by gunfire
2009 2,793 children in the US died by gunfire

* 8 kids every day. 2012's stats might be skewed a bit given what happened last month.

Source for children's data:
http://www.childrensdefense.org

The statistics you just quoted were to support an emotional opinion to ban ban ban, rather than a rational one that shows while that is a bad number, when you ban ban ban, the number of deaths, including that of children, is worse.

I said what I did about the UK to point out how ludacris it is to compare it. You're follow up of comparing per capita is just as ludacris because, as I pointed out, our set of circumstances is different to Britain's.

And last, what I said did not amount to saying "guns are cool". Don't put words in my mouth. Douchebags put words in people's mouths in an attempt to provoke an emotional response or to support their own irrational emotional response.
I did post numbers..somewhere on here..2.5 million crimes stopped because the victims had a gun in 2011 (numbers for 2012 aren't out yet). Of those, less than 1000 resulted in gun shots that killed. 2.5 million. That's a lot of crimes stopped, and potential lives saved because of a gun. I also just posted about how the Government did a study and found the "assault" weapons ban had no effect on gun crime. And I also posted how bans in D.C. and Chicago led to higher gun crime, and how gun crime dropped in D.C. after the ban was reversed. All statistics from the FBI website.

You call me a douchebag?

I was kind before. I'm not anymore. You haven't said anything except your opinion. You went to great pains to allude to some set of statistics that supported the need for more guns: then you refer to 2.5 million crimes stopped and lives saved because of a gun. How exactly has that number been procured? How many of these crimes saved were due to the actions of police officers? Most importantly... where is the source?

You're late to this discussion: a bunch on this forum have been through this ad nauseum. I'm not into starting all over with you because frankly... ah, never mind. You have nothing to add to what has been a month long discussion, so you'll have to find a different sparring partner; but hear me when I say this: if you want a reasonable fight... look for a 5 year old. They flaunt their unsubstantiated opinions and poorly conceived ideas just like you: it would be a good go! Here's another idea: film it and put it on youtube. Title it 'Epic Gun Control Debate'. Instant classic.

Flutter Girl

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Flutter Girl wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Here's some statistics:

10,000 people per year dead by gunfire in the US

2008 2,947 children in the US died by gunfire
2009 2,793 children in the US died by gunfire

* 8 kids every day. 2012's stats might be skewed a bit given what happened last month.

Source for children's data:
http://www.childrensdefense.org

The statistics you just quoted were to support an emotional opinion to ban ban ban, rather than a rational one that shows while that is a bad number, when you ban ban ban, the number of deaths, including that of children, is worse.

I said what I did about the UK to point out how ludacris it is to compare it. You're follow up of comparing per capita is just as ludacris because, as I pointed out, our set of circumstances is different to Britain's.

And last, what I said did not amount to saying "guns are cool". Don't put words in my mouth. Douchebags put words in people's mouths in an attempt to provoke an emotional response or to support their own irrational emotional response.
I did post numbers..somewhere on here..2.5 million crimes stopped because the victims had a gun in 2011 (numbers for 2012 aren't out yet). Of those, less than 1000 resulted in gun shots that killed. 2.5 million. That's a lot of crimes stopped, and potential lives saved because of a gun. I also just posted about how the Government did a study and found the "assault" weapons ban had no effect on gun crime. And I also posted how bans in D.C. and Chicago led to higher gun crime, and how gun crime dropped in D.C. after the ban was reversed. All statistics from the FBI website.

You call me a douchebag?

I was kind before. I'm not anymore. You haven't said anything except your opinion. You went to great pains to allude to some set of statistics that supported the need for more guns: then you refer to 2.5 million crimes stopped and lives saved because of a gun. How exactly has that number been procured? How many of these crimes saved were due to the actions of police officers? Most importantly... where is the source?

You're late to this discussion: a bunch on this forum have been through this ad nauseum. I'm not into starting all over with you because frankly... ah, never mind. You have nothing to add to what has been a month long discussion, so you'll have to find a different sparring partner; but hear me when I say this: if you want a reasonable fight... look for a 5 year old. They flaunt their unsubstantiated opinions and poorly conceived ideas just like you: it would be a good go! Here's another idea: film it and put it on youtube. Title it 'Epic Gun Control Debate'. Instant classic.

I didn't call you a douchebag. I gave you a chance to keep from becoming one by speaking for me. And I said several times where my source is. FBI. Are you just skipping over everywhere I've stated this? I said it several times. You are more than welcome to check their website for yourself. As to how they got to those numbers..I wouldn't know..ask them. I trust it tho...them being the FBI an all...not some website where anyone can write anything they want. I'd imagine they know cos the crimes were reported and the FBI has access to crime reports. And as far as the stats of how many were police officers..that number was on there as well.

What gets me is everyone from elsewhere in the world is weighing in telling us what we should do. You have your own crime. How can you tell us how to get rid of our crime when you can't even get rid of your own?

dimitrispearljam

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

* 8 kids every day.

the number is crazy.....oh poor babies..

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Flutter Girl wrote:

I didn't call you a douchebag. I gave you a chance to keep from becoming one by speaking for me. And I said several times where my source is. FBI. Are you just skipping over everywhere I've stated this? I said it several times. You are more than welcome to check their website for yourself. As to how they got to those numbers..I wouldn't know..ask them. I trust it tho...them being the FBI an all...not some website where anyone can write anything they want. I'd imagine they know cos the crimes were reported and the FBI has access to crime reports. And as far as the stats of how many were police officers..that number was on there as well.

What gets me is everyone from elsewhere in the world is weighing in telling us what we should do. You have your own crime. How can you tell us how to get rid of our crime when you can't even get rid of your own?

Own your words. You said, "Don't put words in my mouth. Douchebags put words in people's mouths in an attempt to provoke an emotional response or to support their own irrational emotional response." So, your veiled, yet direct insult to my character was not so covert. You called me a douchebag and now you're backing down.

Still no reference, but interesting that you say you trust the FBI (them being the FBI and all). Did you know a major point of contention from the better-versed gun proponents has been distrust of the government?

Have a nice day.

Flutter Girl

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Flutter Girl wrote:

I didn't call you a douchebag. I gave you a chance to keep from becoming one by speaking for me. And I said several times where my source is. FBI. Are you just skipping over everywhere I've stated this? I said it several times. You are more than welcome to check their website for yourself. As to how they got to those numbers..I wouldn't know..ask them. I trust it tho...them being the FBI an all...not some website where anyone can write anything they want. I'd imagine they know cos the crimes were reported and the FBI has access to crime reports. And as far as the stats of how many were police officers..that number was on there as well.

What gets me is everyone from elsewhere in the world is weighing in telling us what we should do. You have your own crime. How can you tell us how to get rid of our crime when you can't even get rid of your own?

Own your words. You said, "Don't put words in my mouth. Douchebags put words in people's mouths in an attempt to provoke an emotional response or to support their own irrational emotional response." So, your veiled, yet direct insult to my character was not so covert. You called me a douchebag and now you're backing down.

Still no reference, but interesting that you say you trust the FBI (them being the FBI and all). Did you know a major point of contention from the better-versed gun proponents has been distrust of the government?

Have a nice day.

I'm not backing down from anything.

No reference? fbi.gov, is it really that difficult for you to figure out?

Distrust of the government is part of a conspiracy theory. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Not all pro-gun folks are alike.

And way to go Dimitri..exactly the emotional response he was trying to invoke. No thought put into how when there is a gun ban there a lot more of those babies killed.

dimitrispearljam

Flutter Girl wrote:

And way to go Dimitri..exactly the emotional response he was trying to invoke. No thought put into how when there is a gun ban there a lot more of those babies killed.

actually was a spontaneous reaction..cos the number is huge per day..
all this time we talked in thousand of deaths,and that per day was like sockin
nothing to do with what you guys talking,i didnt read the whole thread yet for comment or have an opinion
thats why i quote only the "8 kids every day." and not the whole post

Flutter Girl

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Flutter Girl wrote:

And way to go Dimitri..exactly the emotional response he was trying to invoke. No thought put into how when there is a gun ban there a lot more of those babies killed.

actually was a spontaneous reaction..cos the number is huge per day..
all this time we talked in thousand of deaths,and that per day was like sockin
nothing to do with what you guys talking,i didnt read the whole thread yet for comment or have an opinion
thats why i quote only the "8 kids every day." and not the whole post

Well..that is what he was trying to do, shock people into feeling bad. It is a shocking and sad number. But it's even higher when guns are banned here. Which means a lot more children died that didn't have to during the ban in D.C. and during this ban in Chicago. That's heartbreaking.

dimitrispearljam

Flutter Girl wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Flutter Girl wrote:

And way to go Dimitri..exactly the emotional response he was trying to invoke. No thought put into how when there is a gun ban there a lot more of those babies killed.

actually was a spontaneous reaction..cos the number is huge per day..
all this time we talked in thousand of deaths,and that per day was like sockin
nothing to do with what you guys talking,i didnt read the whole thread yet for comment or have an opinion
thats why i quote only the "8 kids every day." and not the whole post

Well..that is what he was trying to do, shock people into feeling bad. It is a shocking and sad number. But it's even higher when guns are banned here. Which means a lot more children died that didn't have to during the ban in D.C. and during this ban in Chicago. That's heartbreaking.

to tell u the truth,im googling right now to see,how many kids born every day in Greece..
to make a match in my mind..
anyway,something need to be done with this fuckin violence.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Flutter Girl wrote:

I'm not backing down from anything.

No reference? fbi.gov, is it really that difficult for you to figure out?

Distrust of the government is part of a conspiracy theory. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Not all pro-gun folks are alike.

And way to go Dimitri..exactly the emotional response he was trying to invoke. No thought put into how when there is a gun ban there a lot more of those babies killed.

Oh no... you're backing down. That is very evident.Did you forget when you mentioned that you were giving me a chance not to become a douche when I called it for what it was?

And now you're patronizing Dimi. Too bad there wasn't a 'pat on the head' emoticon, huh? That could have really emphasized your comment to him.

Flutter Girl

If they put better programs, and more importantly, better jobs, in poorest areas, it would deal with poverty and crime at the same time. It's frustrating that everyone is focusing on one of many tools used for crime, instead of focusing on the driving source behind the crime.

thirty- you're just plain wrong. And you are still speaking for me, so now, yes, you are being a douchebag.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Flutter Girl wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Flutter Girl wrote:

And way to go Dimitri..exactly the emotional response he was trying to invoke. No thought put into how when there is a gun ban there a lot more of those babies killed.

actually was a spontaneous reaction..cos the number is huge per day..
all this time we talked in thousand of deaths,and that per day was like sockin
nothing to do with what you guys talking,i didnt read the whole thread yet for comment or have an opinion
thats why i quote only the "8 kids every day." and not the whole post

Well..that is what he was trying to do, shock people into feeling bad. It is a shocking and sad number. But it's even higher when guns are banned here. Which means a lot more children died that didn't have to during the ban in D.C. and during this ban in Chicago. That's heartbreaking.

The United States is the country with the highest rate of civilian gun ownership in the world. (The second highest is Yemen, where the rate is nevertheless only half that of the U.S.) No civilian population is more powerfully armed.

The more guns per capita, the more gun deaths per capita. The US has the most guns, ergo it has one of the highest rates of gun deaths.

When it comes to homicides and gun ownership rates, Mexico and the United States are each in a league of their own.

Source:
http://www.businessinsider.com/shooting ... z2HupKvZtX

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Flutter Girl wrote:

If they put better programs, and more importantly, better jobs, in poorest areas, it would deal with poverty and crime at the same time. It's frustrating that everyone is focusing on one of many tools used for crime, instead of focusing on the driving source behind the crime.

thirty- you're just plain wrong. And you are still speaking for me, so now, yes, you are being a douchebag.

You never have told me how I am actually wrong (or plain wrong), but you keep blathering on just like a moron might. No facts, no statistics (even though you keep referring to some), no sources... just an obviously indoctrinated opinion that no logic or rationale argument could ever hope to change.

Enjoy your guns. You are now the second person on my ignore list.

Flutter Girl

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

The United States is the country with the highest rate of civilian gun ownership in the world. (The second highest is Yemen, where the rate is nevertheless only half that of the U.S.) No civilian population is more powerfully armed.

The more guns per capita, the more gun deaths per capita. The US has the most guns, ergo it has one of the highest rates of gun deaths.

When it comes to homicides and gun ownership rates, Mexico and the United States are each in a league of their own.

Source:
http://www.businessinsider.com/shooting ... z2HupKvZtX

I already posted so many statistics that show gun crime goes up in this country wherever there are less legal gun owners. I'm not going to keep posting them repeatedly cos you choose to ignore it.

I told you where to find the statistics. If you can't be bothered, that's your ignorance. Just cos I don't spend half an hour collecting up each individual link off their site about it for you. I told you where they all are. the FBI website. It's not like I said oh I just found it somewhere on the net. I was specific. Anyone is free to go look. If I am wrong, it is quite easy to prove. It's their latest statistics posted. it's not like it's deep in their site somewhere it would take forever to find. fbi.gov..it's not complicated.

As for enjoying my guns. I don't have any. But thanks again for assuming the first thing about me. I guess to you anyone who doesn't think guns should be banned is a gun gripping right wing nut who thinks the government is out to get them. As shown by several ignorant statements you made.

DS1119

Flutter Girl wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

The United States is the country with the highest rate of civilian gun ownership in the world. (The second highest is Yemen, where the rate is nevertheless only half that of the U.S.) No civilian population is more powerfully armed.

The more guns per capita, the more gun deaths per capita. The US has the most guns, ergo it has one of the highest rates of gun deaths.

When it comes to homicides and gun ownership rates, Mexico and the United States are each in a league of their own.

Source:
http://www.businessinsider.com/shooting ... z2HupKvZtX

I already posted so many statistics that show gun crime goes up in this country wherever there are less legal gun owners. I'm not going to keep posting them repeatedly cos you choose to ignore it.

I told you where to find the statistics. If you can't be bothered, that's your ignorance. Just cos I don't spend half an hour collecting up each individual link off their site about it for you. I told you where they all are. the FBI website. It's not like I said oh I just found it somewhere on the net. I was specific. Anyone is free to go look. If I am wrong, it is quite easy to prove. It's their latest statistics posted. it's not like it's deep in their site somewhere it would take forever to find. fbi.gov..it's not complicated.

As for enjoying my guns. I don't have any. But thanks again for assuming the first thing about me. I guess to you anyone who doesn't think guns should be banned is a gun gripping right wing nut who thinks the government is out to get them. As shown by several ignorant statements you made.

:clap:

unsung

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkMbfEiVk08&sns=em

chadwick

unsung wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkMbfEiVk08&sns=em

fucking sweetness. that is what i'm talking about.


"whatch you talkin willis?"


piers morgan, you sir, are a hatchet man...
whatever that is

Thirty Bills Unpaid

chadwick wrote:

unsung wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkMbfEiVk08&sns=em

fucking sweetness. that is what i'm talking about.


"whatch you talkin willis?"


piers morgan, you sir, are a hatchet man...
whatever that is

Chadwick... come on now...

You forgot 'bout.

It's "whatch you talkin 'bout willis?"

chadwick

piers morgan & ted nugent
http://youtu.be/pkjIMxf0VyU
pierce shooting a rifle & interviewing ted in a gun shop in texas.

nice...

callen

Flutter Girl wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

The United States is the country with the highest rate of civilian gun ownership in the world. (The second highest is Yemen, where the rate is nevertheless only half that of the U.S.) No civilian population is more powerfully armed.

The more guns per capita, the more gun deaths per capita. The US has the most guns, ergo it has one of the highest rates of gun deaths.

When it comes to homicides and gun ownership rates, Mexico and the United States are each in a league of their own.

Source:
http://www.businessinsider.com/shooting ... z2HupKvZtX

I already posted so many statistics that show gun crime goes up in this country wherever there are less legal gun owners. I'm not going to keep posting them repeatedly cos you choose to ignore it.

I told you where to find the statistics. If you can't be bothered, that's your ignorance. Just cos I don't spend half an hour collecting up each individual link off their site about it for you. I told you where they all are. the FBI website. It's not like I said oh I just found it somewhere on the net. I was specific. Anyone is free to go look. If I am wrong, it is quite easy to prove. It's their latest statistics posted. it's not like it's deep in their site somewhere it would take forever to find. fbi.gov..it's not complicated.

As for enjoying my guns. I don't have any. But thanks again for assuming the first thing about me. I guess to you anyone who doesn't think guns should be banned is a gun gripping right wing nut who thinks the government is out to get them. As shown by several ignorant statements you made.

Humans are very simple creatures and can't handle the power of having guns. You can pull all the statistics you want but the only stat that matters is the US has more gun deaths than other western countries that don't have a proliferation of guns. Period. Humans can't handle guns.
And to avoid assumptions, I don't trust my government and feel humans should be able to defend themselves....hence I don't have a solution, we're just fked as humans cause we are no different than any animal and will ultimately exterminte ourselves.

callen

unsung wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkMbfEiVk08&sns=em

Talk about a hatchet job of a story....sad sad sad. Almost as bad as justification for going into Iraq. :fp: