“The gun has been called the great equalizer, meaning that a small person with a gun is equal to a large person, but it is a great equalizer in another way, too. It insures that the people are the equal of their government whenever that government forgets that it is servant and not master of the governed. When the British forgot that they got a revolution. And, as a result, we Americans got a Constitution; a Constitution that, as those who wrote it were determined, would keep men free. If we give up part of that Constitution we give up part of our freedom and increase the chance that we will lose it all.” ~Ronald Reagan
Equal of their government? Servant not master? Keep men free? Lose it all? Hmmmmm, brings to mind one of many things like the Branch Davidians. Seems they had a good thing that the government had a problem with and it wasn't near as good a shoot up or even fight that it should have been according to Ronnie's quote.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
People think those black evil guns with the grips are the cause of all the problems in this country. I guess the feeble minded find it easier to blame an object than a person. After all people can't be held responsible for their actions.
Ah yes...those who disagree must be feeble minded. :roll:
The simple fact of living in this country is that you have to understand that the majority of the country is vastly comprised of morons.
This shit makes sense to people
this.
coming from another country living here I just don't get the love affair with the gun with the gun murder death rate in this country being so much more per capita. it's beyond mind boggling.
I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
Assault rifles vs. handguns vs. hunting rifles vs. automatic vs. semi-automatic. I'm convinced a lot of people engaged in this debate are unable to elucidate the terms as they tend to use some interchangeably. At the very least, the terms aren't being stated clearly and those arguing the other side aren't asking for clarification, leading me to believe no one is interested in actually having a civilized discussion. (For the record, banning "assault rifles" would still leave lots of automatic and semi-automatic weapons available for purchase. So that ain't gonna do what you think it gonna do.)
On the video: A perfect microcosm of the gun control debate. Two boobs with no interest in what the other one has to say.
The simple fact of living in this country is that you have to understand that the majority of the country is vastly comprised of morons.
This shit makes sense to people
this.
coming from another country living here I just don't get the love affair with the gun with the gun murder death rate in this country being so much more per capita. it's beyond mind boggling.
It must be rough on that moral high ground, sitting alone mind boggled by the intellectually inferior you look down upon with a furrowed brow.
The simple fact of living in this country is that you have to understand that the majority of the country is vastly comprised of morons.
This shit makes sense to people
this.
coming from another country living here I just don't get the love affair with the gun with the gun murder death rate in this country being so much more per capita. it's beyond mind boggling.
It must be rough on that moral high ground, sitting alone mind boggled by the intellectually inferior you look down upon with a furrowed brow.
I'm not looking down at anyone.. just crazy to me that people are being murdered and nothing is being done about it.
I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
Assault rifles vs. handguns vs. hunting rifles vs. automatic vs. semi-automatic. I'm convinced a lot of people engaged in this debate are unable to elucidate the terms as they tend to use some interchangeably. At the very least, the terms aren't being stated clearly and those arguing the other side aren't asking for clarification, leading me to believe no one is interested in actually having a civilized discussion. (For the record, banning "assault rifles" would still leave lots of automatic and semi-automatic weapons available for purchase. So that ain't gonna do what you think it gonna do.)
I use the first three terms but not interchangeably. I do use "assault rifle" as an all encompassing term to describe many types of unnecessary and dangerous guns the public has no use for. Perhaps not technically correct but sufficient for these purposes.
coming from another country living here I just don't get the love affair with the gun with the gun murder death rate in this country being so much more per capita. it's beyond mind boggling.
It must be rough on that moral high ground, sitting alone mind boggled by the intellectually inferior you look down upon with a furrowed brow.
I'm not looking down at anyone.. just crazy to me that people are being murdered and nothing is being done about it.
Zoso, I dont think you're looking down at anyone either...Its good to hear from folks who came from another location and reside in the USA, and to hear their take on our culture. I imagine the rest of the world is confused by the fact that we are a very advanced nation, yet we have such extreme tendencies towards military budgets, gun ownership, and coincidentally gun deaths through the roof! Im baffled too.
I use the first three terms but not interchangeably. I do use "assault rifle" as an all encompassing term to describe many types of unnecessary and dangerous guns the public has no use for. Perhaps not technically correct but sufficient for these purposes.
I would disagree on the sufficiency, as it likely confuses your point. As someone who seemingly is on a different side of the argument than you, I can tell you there is a vast difference between someone arguing to restrict "assault rifles" vs. arguing to restrict "fully automatic weapons." I have a lot of problems with the former, yet find a great deal of room for compromise on the latter.
I'm bored. I'm going to have a conversation with this wall. It makes more sense.
The wall makes perfect sense as a conversation partner for you two. It will not challenge your ill conceived belief system and you can convince yourself you really do have things figured out.
No offence, but if I was you two I think instead of trying feebly to refute the wealth of information presented, I would spend at least a few moments reflecting on the entire issue.
Woot and blathering that it's your right do not stand up to the weight of the counterargument you have been up against. You must know this. No?
I'm bored. I'm going to have a conversation with this wall. It makes more sense.
The wall makes perfect sense as a conversation partner for you two. It will not challenge your ill conceived belief system and you can convince yourself you really do have things figured out.
No offence, but if I was you two I think instead of trying feebly to refute the wealth of information presented, I would spend at least a few moments reflecting on the entire issue.
Woot and blathering that it's your right do not stand up to the weight of the counterargument you have been up against. You must know this. No?
you are going to be waiting awhile. countless statistics and facts have been presented in all of these gun threads and the only counterarguments are:
1. its my right
2. guns don't kill people, they are just metal
3. i am using this gun to protect me against the evil imaginary boogeyman who is out to steal my stuff
4. or some completely random scenario is presented where the concealed carry permit holder goes all rambo to kill the bad guy with surgical precision...
how many of these threads do we really need?? at no point is any gun regulation person going to change the mind of a pro gun person. so why waste the time??
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
I use the first three terms but not interchangeably. I do use "assault rifle" as an all encompassing term to describe many types of unnecessary and dangerous guns the public has no use for. Perhaps not technically correct but sufficient for these purposes.
I would disagree on the sufficiency, as it likely confuses your point. As someone who seemingly is on a different side of the argument than you, I can tell you there is a vast difference between someone arguing to restrict "assault rifles" vs. arguing to restrict "fully automatic weapons." I have a lot of problems with the former, yet find a great deal of room for compromise on the latter.
Perhaps. I just find it easier than differentiating between this gun and that gun in every post, particularly since none of us here are drafting legislation.
The wall makes perfect sense as a conversation partner for you two. It will not challenge your ill conceived belief system and you can convince yourself you really do have things figured out.
No offence, but if I was you two I think instead of trying feebly to refute the wealth of information presented, I would spend at least a few moments reflecting on the entire issue.
Woot and blathering that it's your right do not stand up to the weight of the counterargument you have been up against. You must know this. No?
you are going to be waiting awhile. countless statistics and facts have been presented in all of these gun threads and the only counterarguments are:
1. its my right
2. guns don't kill people, they are just metal
3. i am using this gun to protect me against the evil imaginary boogeyman who is out to steal my stuff
4. or some completely random scenario is presented where the concealed carry permit holder goes all rambo to kill the bad guy with surgical precision...
how many of these threads do we really need?? at no point is any gun regulation person going to change the mind of a pro gun person. so why waste the time??
I keep waiting for someone, somewhere to present a better argument than the ones you described for why the public needs to be armed with assault rifles. You would think there would at least be an NRA talking point or something that could be pointed to.
i find it very amusing that both sides of the gun control debate say that the other side is stupid, idiotic or moronic because they don't believe the same things that they do. beliefs are just opinions, just because you believe your views to be right, doesn't mean that whoever believes the opposite of that is wrong.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
i find it very amusing that both sides of the gun control debate say that the other side is stupid, idiotic or moronic because they don't believe the same things that they do. beliefs are just opinions, just because you believe your views to be right, doesn't mean that whoever believes the opposite of that is wrong.
i find it very amusing that both sides of the gun control debate say that the other side is stupid, idiotic or moronic because they don't believe the same things that they do. beliefs are just opinions, just because you believe your views to be right, doesn't mean that whoever believes the opposite of that is wrong.
I agree. What I find strange is when a gun advocate is unwilling to even consider new ideas for cutting back on the availability of guns though. I am anti gun and would love to see most of them banned (too late for that too), but I know this is unfair. So I think a compromise is healthy. Possibly better laws, smaller magazine capacities, better background checks, strict registrations, etc.
We do all have beliefs, but its not an opinion that the USA is the world leader in gun ownership and subsequently, gun deaths. I would consider that a problem.
i find it very amusing that both sides of the gun control debate say that the other side is stupid, idiotic or moronic because they don't believe the same things that they do. beliefs are just opinions, just because you believe your views to be right, doesn't mean that whoever believes the opposite of that is wrong.
Good thing they're not face to face on some street or in some bar. The anti stance may be taken out by a gun.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Perhaps. I just find it easier than differentiating between this gun and that gun in every post, particularly since none of us here are drafting legislation.
Aren't fully automatic weapons already illegal?
Not federally. The way I understand it is that in some states they are completely illegal, while being heavily regulated in others. In the latter case, I've read that there are extensive background checks (one person wrote that you essentially need a police chief speaking on your behalf), only certain types are obtainable, and those that are come with a price tag that is prohibitively expensive. Given all that, while I would never advocate for a full federal ban on fully automatic weapons, I also wouldn't find that to be an unreasonable compromise.
We're not drafting legislation, but we are having a dialogue. If you were making a case for banning all assault rifles, by all means go for it. But you'll find yourself having a difficult time getting points across if you're confusing people that you're speaking with.
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Thankfully there's nothing that says I can't.
The right to free speech did not exist when Washington was shooting the British.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
and now it does.
get it
This shit makes sense to people
With an assault rifle?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Equal of their government? Servant not master? Keep men free? Lose it all? Hmmmmm, brings to mind one of many things like the Branch Davidians. Seems they had a good thing that the government had a problem with and it wasn't near as good a shoot up or even fight that it should have been according to Ronnie's quote.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Ah yes...those who disagree must be feeble minded. :roll:
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
And it can't disagree with you. So you must be right!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
LIBERTY! REAGAN! RON PAUL!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
this.
coming from another country living here I just don't get the love affair with the gun with the gun murder death rate in this country being so much more per capita. it's beyond mind boggling.
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
On the video: A perfect microcosm of the gun control debate. Two boobs with no interest in what the other one has to say.
It must be rough on that moral high ground, sitting alone mind boggled by the intellectually inferior you look down upon with a furrowed brow.
I'm not looking down at anyone.. just crazy to me that people are being murdered and nothing is being done about it.
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
I use the first three terms but not interchangeably. I do use "assault rifle" as an all encompassing term to describe many types of unnecessary and dangerous guns the public has no use for. Perhaps not technically correct but sufficient for these purposes.
100% agree.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Saying "this" to this:
"The simple fact of living in this country is that you have to understand that the majority of the country is vastly comprised of morons.
This shit makes sense to people"
would be the textbook definition of looking down at people.
Zoso, I dont think you're looking down at anyone either...Its good to hear from folks who came from another location and reside in the USA, and to hear their take on our culture. I imagine the rest of the world is confused by the fact that we are a very advanced nation, yet we have such extreme tendencies towards military budgets, gun ownership, and coincidentally gun deaths through the roof! Im baffled too.
I would disagree on the sufficiency, as it likely confuses your point. As someone who seemingly is on a different side of the argument than you, I can tell you there is a vast difference between someone arguing to restrict "assault rifles" vs. arguing to restrict "fully automatic weapons." I have a lot of problems with the former, yet find a great deal of room for compromise on the latter.
The wall makes perfect sense as a conversation partner for you two. It will not challenge your ill conceived belief system and you can convince yourself you really do have things figured out.
No offence, but if I was you two I think instead of trying feebly to refute the wealth of information presented, I would spend at least a few moments reflecting on the entire issue.
Woot and blathering that it's your right do not stand up to the weight of the counterargument you have been up against. You must know this. No?
1. its my right
2. guns don't kill people, they are just metal
3. i am using this gun to protect me against the evil imaginary boogeyman who is out to steal my stuff
4. or some completely random scenario is presented where the concealed carry permit holder goes all rambo to kill the bad guy with surgical precision...
how many of these threads do we really need?? at no point is any gun regulation person going to change the mind of a pro gun person. so why waste the time??
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Perhaps. I just find it easier than differentiating between this gun and that gun in every post, particularly since none of us here are drafting legislation.
Aren't fully automatic weapons already illegal?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I keep waiting for someone, somewhere to present a better argument than the ones you described for why the public needs to be armed with assault rifles. You would think there would at least be an NRA talking point or something that could be pointed to.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Yep.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I agree. What I find strange is when a gun advocate is unwilling to even consider new ideas for cutting back on the availability of guns though. I am anti gun and would love to see most of them banned (too late for that too), but I know this is unfair. So I think a compromise is healthy. Possibly better laws, smaller magazine capacities, better background checks, strict registrations, etc.
We do all have beliefs, but its not an opinion that the USA is the world leader in gun ownership and subsequently, gun deaths. I would consider that a problem.
Good thing they're not face to face on some street or in some bar. The anti stance may be taken out by a gun.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Not federally. The way I understand it is that in some states they are completely illegal, while being heavily regulated in others. In the latter case, I've read that there are extensive background checks (one person wrote that you essentially need a police chief speaking on your behalf), only certain types are obtainable, and those that are come with a price tag that is prohibitively expensive. Given all that, while I would never advocate for a full federal ban on fully automatic weapons, I also wouldn't find that to be an unreasonable compromise.
We're not drafting legislation, but we are having a dialogue. If you were making a case for banning all assault rifles, by all means go for it. But you'll find yourself having a difficult time getting points across if you're confusing people that you're speaking with.