No ma'am, I won't register my guns

Hugh Freaking Dillon

PJPOWER wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

PJPOWER wrote:

Just out of my own curiosity, though, how does everyone here feel about the gun/ammo manufacturers packing up and moving their businesses to pro-gun states? Also, what are your thoughts about hunters boycotting states pushing strict legislation? Seems like politics are making some states lose a LOT of tax dollars right now. Will you be supporting the comming bills to raise your taxes to make up for the lack of revenue brought in by hunters? Are you comfortable with more wildlife being all over the road and moving into suburban areas due to the lack of population control? I'm willing to bet that farmers are not going to like the extra wildlife their crops!

do you hunt with a machine gun? if not, then your points are moo. like a cow's opinion.

Wow, what an awesome opinion. Such an inteligent response is what I love about AMT. "Machine guns"!?!?!? Really?

my point, which was obviously missed, is that no one is trying to take away your hunting rifle or your handgun that you keep at home. is that clearer?

PJPOWER

my point, which was obviously missed, is that no one is trying to take away your hunting rifle or your handgun that you keep at home. is that clearer?

You are mistaken my friend. There are some politicians supporting these bills that have no clue what they are talking about and signing off on things that would make even the most basic shotguns and hunting rifles illegal due to technicalities. My .223 and .308 is used for hunting and protecting myself from feral hogs while working...and there's plenty of people trying to make it illegal to own those. You still didn't answer my question about the boycotts and gun manufacturers jumping ship?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJPOWER wrote:

my point, which was obviously missed, is that no one is trying to take away your hunting rifle or your handgun that you keep at home. is that clearer?

You are mistaken my friend. There are some politicians supporting these bills that have no clue what they are talking about and signing off on things that would make even the most basic shotguns and hunting rifles illegal due to technicalities. My .223 and .308 is used for hunting and protecting myself from feral hogs while working...and there's plenty of people trying to make it illegal to own those. You still didn't answer my question about the boycotts and gun manufacturers jumping ship?

Economics should be the least of concerns when taking measures to increase public safety. There's no place for your question in this discussion.

fife

PJPOWER wrote:

fife wrote:

PJPOWER wrote:

Just out of my own curiosity, though, how does everyone here feel about the gun/ammo manufacturers packing up and moving their businesses to pro-gun states? Also, what are your thoughts about hunters boycotting states pushing strict legislation? Seems like politics are making some states lose a LOT of tax dollars right now. Will you be supporting the comming bills to raise your taxes to make up for the lack of revenue brought in by hunters? Are you comfortable with more wildlife being all over the road and moving into suburban areas due to the lack of population control? I'm willing to bet that farmers are not going to like the extra wildlife their crops!

I find it funny that you accused the left of scare tactics and then unleash one yourself.

First of all, where have I accused the left of scare tactics? Secondly, it's not a scare tactic, it's the truth. Somewhere in the range of 30,000 people have cancelled their hunting vacations to CO because of these bills. Gun manufacturers are getting the hell out of these states. It's called backlash. Both sides of the argument are guilty of using "scare tactics". A few people have even been exploiting children and victims of tragedies...

sorry I mistake it was someone else who was accusing the left of scare tactics. secondly, can you show any links that prove your point about what you just stated.

PJPOWER

sorry I mistake it was someone else who was accusing the left of scare tactics. secondly, can you show any links that prove your point about what you just stated.

There's several companies out there. There's a whole list of manufacturers that are moving from New York, Colorado, and Connecticut...but if you're really interested, you can google "gun manufacurers leaving" and find plenty results. If you google "hunters boycott Colorado", there's plenty of articles there too. It's a big deal. I don't think a lot of people realized the economic impact of pushing this legislation. Some of the laws are so loosly written that hunters are affraid of getting arrested becuase their guns can technically "accept high capacity magazines"...even if it might take a lot of modification to the firearm.

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

PJPOWER wrote:

my point, which was obviously missed, is that no one is trying to take away your hunting rifle or your handgun that you keep at home. is that clearer?

You are mistaken my friend. There are some politicians supporting these bills that have no clue what they are talking about and signing off on things that would make even the most basic shotguns and hunting rifles illegal due to technicalities. My .223 and .308 is used for hunting and protecting myself from feral hogs while working...and there's plenty of people trying to make it illegal to own those. You still didn't answer my question about the boycotts and gun manufacturers jumping ship?

Economics should be the least of concerns when taking measures to increase public safety. There's no place for your question in this discussion.

Even if economics could potentially decrease public safety? Where do the funds for roads, police, other civil services come from?

fife

PJPOWER wrote:

sorry I mistake it was someone else who was accusing the left of scare tactics. secondly, can you show any links that prove your point about what you just stated.

There's several companies out there. There's a whole list of manufacturers that are moving from New York, Colorado, and Connecticut...but if you're really interested, you can google "gun manufacurers leaving" and find plenty results. If you google "hunters boycott Colorado", there's plenty of articles there too. It's a big deal. I don't think a lot of people realized the economic impact of pushing this legislation. Some of the laws are so loosly written that hunters are affraid of getting arrested becuase their guns can technically "accept high capacity magazines"...even if it might take a lot of modification to the firearm.

well here is one article that i found from foxnews.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03 ... -gun-laws/

it actually looks like it not as big of a problem as you state.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

PJPOWER wrote:

You are mistaken my friend. There are some politicians supporting these bills that have no clue what they are talking about and signing off on things that would make even the most basic shotguns and hunting rifles illegal due to technicalities. My .223 and .308 is used for hunting and protecting myself from feral hogs while working...and there's plenty of people trying to make it illegal to own those. You still didn't answer my question about the boycotts and gun manufacturers jumping ship?

good for those politicians. I was talking in the context of this thread.

I don't give a shit about the financial fallout of it any more than I'd be concerned about the fallout of banning cigarettes and the government losing the tax revenue from that. money should NEVER, EVER, trump public safety. the government would simply have to make due and make changes in the economical structure.

PJPOWER

fife wrote:

PJPOWER wrote:

sorry I mistake it was someone else who was accusing the left of scare tactics. secondly, can you show any links that prove your point about what you just stated.

There's several companies out there. There's a whole list of manufacturers that are moving from New York, Colorado, and Connecticut...but if you're really interested, you can google "gun manufacurers leaving" and find plenty results. If you google "hunters boycott Colorado", there's plenty of articles there too. It's a big deal. I don't think a lot of people realized the economic impact of pushing this legislation. Some of the laws are so loosly written that hunters are affraid of getting arrested becuase their guns can technically "accept high capacity magazines"...even if it might take a lot of modification to the firearm.

well here is one article that i found from foxnews.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03 ... -gun-laws/

it actually looks like it not as big of a problem as you state.

lol, Even I know not to go to Fox news as a reliable source!!!!! I was reading a hunting forum the other day and a guide from CO said that he had about 60 cancelations in the past 3 weeks. I can't remember what town he was from, but it was one of the smaller ones that depend on hunters to provide revenue. I'll try to dig it up for you.

PJPOWER

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

PJPOWER wrote:

You are mistaken my friend. There are some politicians supporting these bills that have no clue what they are talking about and signing off on things that would make even the most basic shotguns and hunting rifles illegal due to technicalities. My .223 and .308 is used for hunting and protecting myself from feral hogs while working...and there's plenty of people trying to make it illegal to own those. You still didn't answer my question about the boycotts and gun manufacturers jumping ship?

good for those politicians. I was talking in the context of this thread.

I don't give a shit about the financial fallout of it any more than I'd be concerned about the fallout of banning cigarettes and the government losing the tax revenue from that. money should NEVER, EVER, trump public safety. the government would simply have to make due and make changes in the economical structure.

I still fail to understand how it is a public safety issue and not a political one? There's a whole other side of the fence that believes pushing these laws is going to adversly effect public safety. I guess we'll see what happens...And "good for those politicians"? I didn't think you supported the ban of even the most basic hunting rifles/shotguns? I guess I was mistaken...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJPOWER wrote:

lol, Even I know not to go to Fox news as a reliable source!!!!! I was reading a hunting forum the other day and a guide from CO said that he had about 60 cancelations in the past 3 weeks. I can't remember what town he was from, but it was one of the smaller ones that depend on hunters to provide revenue. I'll try to dig it up for you.

Oh. The old hunting forum and some town.

Geez man. And you are ripping fox news?

pandora

People who want to ban all guns can't show themselves, that would be jumping the gun
but it is so very obvious when you run into the dictator mentality...
harsh, arbitrary, oppressive, of course I'm not taking about anyone here.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

PJPOWER wrote:

I still fail to understand how it is a public safety issue and not a political one? There's a whole other side of the fence that believes pushing these laws is going to adversly effect public safety. I guess we'll see what happens...And "good for those politicians"? I didn't think you supported the ban of even the most basic hunting rifles/shotguns? I guess I was mistaken...

when I said "good for those politicians", I was being sarcastic.

Guitar92player

OnTheEdge wrote:

Ok. But just for the record, I didn't call you a pussy. If you don't want a gun then don't have one. And that goes for every anti gun liberal out there. Why would I care? But on another note, I don't want them telling me I can't. As far as registering, I'm undecided I guess. Part of me says well maybe it might do some good if they got stolen. But a whole lot of me says I don't trust these government fucking crooks that are trying to control my life. You live in Canada......so you're used to it (little sarcastic joke)

If someone is anti gun that does not mean they are liberal. I have conservative friends who are pushing for some minor gun control and are not gun worshipers; they like guns, but not obsessed with them.

g under p

pandora wrote:

People who want to ban all guns can't show themselves, that would be jumping the gun
but it is so very obvious when you run into the dictator mentality...
harsh, arbitrary, oppressive, of course I'm not taking about anyone here.

Who do you know here wants to ban all guns. It will never happen in this country even if BOTH sides pros and cons wants to do so. I don't even want to ban assault weapons or ban smaller magazines why because it will NEVER. Come to be in this country.

However, national background checks and registration I would like to see become law. Mandatory gun safety classes in shooting and proper storage of these weapons. Pass it and you have access to ALL the guns you want.

Peace

Guitar92player

g under p wrote:

Who do you know here wants to ban all guns. It will never happen in this country even if BOTH sides pros and cons wants to do so. I don't even want to ban assault weapons or ban smaller magazines why because it will NEVER. Come to be in this country.

However, national background checks and registration I would like to see become law. Mandatory gun safety classes in shooting and proper storage of these weapons. Pass it and you have access to ALL the guns you want.

Peace

I pretty much agree with you. I will add though I think a test similar to getting a drivers license should be taken before getting a gun. The test should cover safety of guns in the houses, around kids, mentally ill family members or friends, etc.

g under p

Guitar92player wrote:

g under p wrote:

Who do you know here wants to ban all guns. It will never happen in this country even if BOTH sides pros and cons wants to do so. I don't even want to ban assault weapons or ban smaller magazines why because it will NEVER. Come to be in this country.

However, national background checks and registration I would like to see become law. Mandatory gun safety classes in shooting and proper storage of these weapons. Pass it and you have access to ALL the guns you want.

Peace

I pretty much agree with you. I will add though I think a test similar to getting a drivers license should be taken before getting a gun. The test should cover safety of guns in the houses, around kids, mentally ill family members or friends, etc.

I agree especially your last sentence. If And I say IF I lived alone no wife, gf or children I may want to keep a rifle in the house. My trouble is with others getting their hands on weapons they don't know how to use it.

In the future I hope to get a 22 small bore rifle for target shooting and keep it at the gun club.

https://www.google.com/search?q=image+2 ... XEjH3DM%3A

Peace

fife

fife wrote:

PJPOWER wrote:

sorry I mistake it was someone else who was accusing the left of scare tactics. secondly, can you show any links that prove your point about what you just stated.

There's several companies out there. There's a whole list of manufacturers that are moving from New York, Colorado, and Connecticut...but if you're really interested, you can google "gun manufacurers leaving" and find plenty results. If you google "hunters boycott Colorado", there's plenty of articles there too. It's a big deal. I don't think a lot of people realized the economic impact of pushing this legislation. Some of the laws are so loosly written that hunters are affraid of getting arrested becuase their guns can technically "accept high capacity magazines"...even if it might take a lot of modification to the firearm.

well here is one article that i found from foxnews.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03 ... -gun-laws/

it actually looks like it not as big of a problem as you state.

lol, Even I know not to go to Fox news as a reliable source!!!!! I was reading a hunting forum the other day and a guide from CO said that he had about 60 cancelations in the past 3 weeks. I can't remember what town he was from, but it was one of the smaller ones that depend on hunters to provide revenue. I'll try to dig it up for you.[/quote]

actually the reason I did pick the fox one was due to the fact that they tend to be more right wing and tend to show "facts" that tend to be more right wing. also, I don't know if I would trust a hunting forum as they may have a bias also since you know they are a hunting forum but I will welcome the link to that story.

unsung

g under p wrote:

pandora wrote:

People who want to ban all guns can't show themselves, that would be jumping the gun
but it is so very obvious when you run into the dictator mentality...
harsh, arbitrary, oppressive, of course I'm not taking about anyone here.

Who do you know here wants to ban all guns. It will never happen in this country even if BOTH sides pros and cons wants to do so. I don't even want to ban assault weapons or ban smaller magazines why because it will NEVER. Come to be in this country.

However, national background checks and registration I would like to see become law. Mandatory gun safety classes in shooting and proper storage of these weapons. Pass it and you have access to ALL the guns you want.

Peace

There used to be classes in schools on gun safety but that ended because liberals thought it was too dangerous. Can't have it both ways, can you?

gimmesometruth27

unsung wrote:

There used to be classes in schools on gun safety but that ended because liberals thought it was too dangerous. Can't have it both ways, can you?

honest question, do you think that a school teaching gun safety is a good idea?