Outrage For Publishing Names, Addresses Of Gun Owners

JimmyV

Is there a more convenient boogie-man than the "liberal media?"

hedonist

JimmyV wrote:

Is there a more convenient boogie-man than the "liberal media?"

Yeah.

The GOP

We all need to let go of this scapegoat nonsense.

blueandwhite

So let me get this straight; Americans with their handguns and semiautomatic rifles are going to hold back the most powerful military (their own) from overpowering them should the US government emerge as a fascist state? Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous that sounds? If the US government ever emerged as a fascist nation and decided to round up all of the islamists/natives/jews/dissidents/activists/etc. there wouldn't be a thing you could do about it. This American fantasy of fending off the big bad government is just that; an absolute pipe dream.

Just look at how well the Afghanis or Iraqis have fared against the might of US forces. Do you really think your local militias will do any better?

dimitrispearljam

pjl44 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pjl44 wrote:

What is the outcome you hope to accomplish and what is the benchmark that gives you confidence that this is the solution? Remember, you're talking about a populace with 200+ years of firearm ownership that you need to account for.

Also, how are are you compensating these law-abiding citizens for seizing their previously legally owned property?

the system now dont working..
kids go to school and die..
last year you had 30000 deaths from guns
ban all the guns
if next year have 29999 deaths,the system worked..
time to change..your violence system of Rambos failed..sad but true..John McClain is fake

and ownership??
put taxis 50000 $ per gun per year...tALL will forget ownership in a second..

Dimitris, you're not answering my questions. I agree with you that there is an issue of grave concern, but don't think you're making a reasoned case for your solution.

raise the taxis to gun owners..
all go to the police and say what guns they own with serial numbers and how many guns
all need to go to training camp for shooting monthly
all pass doctors exams,from their eyes to their minds before take a lisense to get a gun
all buy bullets need to be recorded.,all will have a gun owner id with lisence number
the state need to know where and when u use the bullets
all create safety place in their house to lock the guns,and need to take the ok from police if they are locked safety(like the ok fire department give to open a shop)
give like a 3 month period all be recorded,after that anyone has a gun that isnt on the list and havent lisense for it,arrested ,go to jail for 5 years and pay 100.000 $ panalty..
just a few to start with..


the good guys,i guess will not have problem with that..the onwners want to be legal and have guns to protect themself..the bad guys with illigal guns will not wa\nt that..
as for taxis..and 200 years ownership?
so what..goverment can raise taxis for every reason they want..
u have a family business for 200 years,they raise the taxis this year...no matter how old are u,or own something..
same with guns..

where u find the money to organize this???

stop one of the "wars" outside and far away of the borders ,and put thae money for the "war" inside your borders..
lets for once ,someone else to "save" ,Avganistan or iraq..

goingtoverona

hardcore man.......hardcore

dimitrispearljam

goingtoverona wrote:

hardcore man.......hardcore

nothing more hardcore than 20 childred instead of getting Christmas gift,get buried..

pjl44

dimitrispearljam wrote:

raise the taxis to gun owners..
all go to the police and say what guns they own with serial numbers and how many guns
all need to go to training camp for shooting monthly
all pass doctors exams,from their eyes to their minds before take a lisense to get a gun
all buy bullets need to be recorded.,all will have a gun owner id with lisence number
the state need to know where and when u use the bullets
all create safety place in their house to lock the guns,and need to take the ok from police if they are locked safety(like the ok fire department give to open a shop)
give like a 3 month period all be recorded,after that anyone has a gun that isnt on the list and havent lisense for it,arrested ,go to jail for 5 years and pay 100.000 $ panalty..
just a few to start with..


the good guys,i guess will not have problem with that..the onwners want to be legal and have guns to protect themself..the bad guys with illigal guns will not wa\nt that..
as for taxis..and 200 years ownership?
so what..goverment can raise taxis for every reason they want..
u have a family business for 200 years,they raise the taxis this year...no matter how old are u,or own something..
same with guns..

where u find the money to organize this???

stop one of the "wars" outside and far away of the borders ,and put thae money for the "war" inside your borders..
lets for once ,someone else to "save" ,Avganistan or iraq..

How would taxes on gun owners solve anything? This tells me you're approaching this more as a vendetta and just looking to extract a pound of flesh.

The guns you're calling to ban already need to be registered with the state, at least in any states that I am familiar with the law. If there are some states where this doesn't exist, I don't really have a problem with extending that to a federal law.

How does sending people to training camp solve anything? If your concern is with violence, now you'll have a better trained populace. Again, you're approaching this as a vendetta by commanding citizens' money and time.

How in the world can you possibly expect to track every bullet? Is each one individually coded? Will people have to chase down shells to prove it's no longer in their possession? How would they prove it if you used them somewhere other than where you said you were? How would hunters have any idea how many bullets they might go through on a given trip? I could go on and on, but the larger point is How in the holy hell could you possibly expect any government agency to accurately account for the ammunition of every gun owner in their jurisdiction???

You're just throwing spaghetti at the wall, man; you still haven't shown me any evidence of where these ideas have worked in the past in similar situations. When something like this goes down, it's sad and frustrating for everyone. When it comes to enacting legislation, it requires a clear head and rational focus. I feel that the emotion and ego that demands an immediate response is doing a great disservice to the under-explored reasons for why these things happen and how we can prevent the next one.

Cosmo

know1 wrote:

I have a different take on this. I don't think think it's much of an issue for the gun owners as it's public record.

For the NON GUN OWNERS, this map gives criminals targets where they can be pretty sure there aren't guns.

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Unless... there are unlicensed guns in those houses.
And unlicensed gun can kill you as easily as a licensed gun.
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Burglery is still a crap shoot... and basically, a bet not worth taking.

Cosmo

g under p wrote:

Newspaper Sparks Outrage For Publishing Names Of Gun Owners

Was this the right thing to do? I have to say IF I was a gun owner I wouldn't want my name published for ALL to see.

What is your thoughts on this issue?

Peace

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My take...
First off... it is NOT the Government publishing the addresses... it is the Free Press publishing it. So, alll of the Anti-Governemt arguements are nullified.
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That said, i don't think it is the proper thing to do... publish the addresses. Regardless of how I feel about the over abundance of guns we have in our society, i think privacy is something we need to consider.
That's not to say I do not understand the opposing view, because i DO understand their arguements. I wouldn't want my kids going over to a friend's house if I knew there were guns located there. I have no idea on how secured or unsecured those guns are. Like the Lanza household in Conneticut... would you feel okay if a holsehold like that was when your kid was going over to play with his friend, Adam?
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So... while I see and understand the opposing view... i still believe that privacy is at the root of the issue. If I really wanted to know... I suppose I could request the same information from the same sources that the newpaper did.

pandora

g under p wrote:

Newspaper Sparks Outrage For Publishing Names Of Gun Owners

Was this the right thing to do? I have to say IF I was a gun owner I wouldn't want my name published for ALL to see.

What is your thoughts on this issue?

Peace

Guns are so prevalent I don't think it matters but to publish names and addresses is
a privacy issue I would think.

Just more gun shaming going on ... seems to be going around.
Own proud, responsible and strong.

DS1119

JimmyV wrote:

Is there a more convenient boogie-man than the "liberal media?"

You do watch the news right? Everything is a story or controversy with them instead of just news. The big story now is about the rape in India of that poor woman. Tragic story without a doubt but all of a sudden liberal minded people's attention has been drawn to that. How we must stop it. How can this happen? It's almost comical at times. The media has become nothing more than a glorified tabloid that directs people's attentions to subjects they want. Instead of the American media concentrating on a story in India why not direct the attention to the 10s of thousands of people arrested in this country over New Years for DWI. Why not direct the attention to the hundreds that lost their lives in DWI accidents over New Years? Why not talk about the children who drown this past week in pools while their parents didn't notice? Just blows my mind how easily a lot of people's attentions are distracted to sexy stories and not the real issues in the US. :?


And I 'm not directing these statemnts at you JimmyV...just freeflow thinking and typing so please don't take it that this is at you.

DS1119

pandora wrote:

Just more gun shaming going on ... seems to be going around.
Own proud, responsible and strong.

You are now up to two virtual beers!