Outrage For Publishing Names, Addresses Of Gun Owners

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  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    ban the guns and problem solve..

    Are you saying all firearms should be confiscated or that they just shouldn't be sold going forward? Also, what outcomes are you hoping to achieve and what evidence are using to benchmark how similar actions have achieved those outcomes in the past? Remember, you're taking a majority of municipalities where firearms have been legal and available for a couple centuries.
    ban all type of guns..ALL...
    only police and military can carry the guns..not even one single civilian..for any reason
    thats my Clear opinion..

    You could never sell that to the American public. Many (most?) still cling to the myth that they have the power to rise up and fight their government; to defend themselves from tyranny. Of course, I suspect that most of those people know that their guns are really just toys and compared to the might of the US military their personal arsenals are absolutely irrelevant.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    blueandwhite wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    ban all type of guns..ALL...
    only police and military can carry the guns..not even one single civilian..for any reason
    thats my Clear opinion..

    You could never sell that to the American public. Many (most?) still cling to the myth that they have the power to rise up and fight their government; to defend themselves from tyranny. Of course, I suspect that most of those people know that their guns are really just toys and compared to the might of the US military their personal arsenals are absolutely irrelevant.
    goverment selling you to sent your troops to go to wars that no need to even begin in the other side of the world..
    if they want this,they can do it..
    if they want they can make you forget eat burgers and all start eat greek souvlaki and yogurt if they want..
    they have the power,they have the media,they can do what ever they want to guide people...

    and ofcourse,this can happen to all countries,.
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,595
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    ban the guns and problem solve..

    Are you saying all firearms should be confiscated or that they just shouldn't be sold going forward? Also, what outcomes are you hoping to achieve and what evidence are using to benchmark how similar actions have achieved those outcomes in the past? Remember, you're taking a majority of municipalities where firearms have been legal and available for a couple centuries.
    ban all type of guns..ALL...
    only police and military can carry the guns..not even one single civilian..for any reason
    thats my Clear opinion..

    So you're advocating for a government to seize property that was purchased legally from citizens who have not committed a crime? Is part of your plan to compensate individuals for what has been seized? I would imagine many folks have spent well into the thousands, depending on how long they have licensed for.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    pjl44 wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    ban all type of guns..ALL...
    only police and military can carry the guns..not even one single civilian..for any reason
    thats my Clear opinion..

    So you're advocating for a government to seize property that was purchased legally from citizens who have not committed a crime? Is part of your plan to compensate individuals for what has been seized? I would imagine many folks have spent well into the thousands, depending on how long they have licensed for.
    yes..all guns taken away from everyone..police and military only carry guns and even them training every month and checked if they are ok at their minds 2-3 times per year..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    You didn't answer the question. How do you propose to compensate the owners of these firearms?
  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    yeah that's when i'd be....yeah hello 911? some crooked fucker broke into my house and stole all my guns, so i got nothing to turn in. bummer dudes. i wouldn't be alone trust me.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,595
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    ban all type of guns..ALL...
    only police and military can carry the guns..not even one single civilian..for any reason
    thats my Clear opinion..

    So you're advocating for a government to seize property that was purchased legally from citizens who have not committed a crime? Is part of your plan to compensate individuals for what has been seized? I would imagine many folks have spent well into the thousands, depending on how long they have licensed for.
    yes..all guns taken away from everyone..police and military only carry guns and even them training every month and checked if they are ok at their minds 2-3 times per year..

    What is the outcome you hope to accomplish and what is the benchmark that gives you confidence that this is the solution? Remember, you're talking about a populace with 200+ years of firearm ownership that you need to account for.

    Also, how are are you compensating these law-abiding citizens for seizing their previously legally owned property?
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    g under p wrote:
    Newspaper Sparks Outrage For Publishing Names Of Gun Owners

    Was this the right thing to do? I have to say IF I was a gun owner I wouldn't want my name published for ALL to see.

    What is your thoughts on this issue?

    Peace

    no it is not the right thing to do. it is a violation of peoples privacy.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • stuckinline
    stuckinline Posts: 3,407
    edited December 2012
    nevermind
    Post edited by stuckinline on
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    ban all type of guns..ALL...
    only police and military can carry the guns..not even one single civilian..for any reason
    thats my Clear opinion..


    And this goes against everything the US Constitution states.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    pjl44 wrote:

    What is the outcome you hope to accomplish and what is the benchmark that gives you confidence that this is the solution? Remember, you're talking about a populace with 200+ years of firearm ownership that you need to account for.

    Also, how are are you compensating these law-abiding citizens for seizing their previously legally owned property?
    the system now dont working..
    kids go to school and die..
    last year you had 30000 deaths from guns
    ban all the guns
    if next year have 29999 deaths,the system worked..
    time to change..your violence system of Rambos failed..sad but true..John McClain is fake

    and ownership??
    put taxis 50000 $ per gun per year...tALL will forget ownership in a second..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:

    What is the outcome you hope to accomplish and what is the benchmark that gives you confidence that this is the solution? Remember, you're talking about a populace with 200+ years of firearm ownership that you need to account for.

    Also, how are are you compensating these law-abiding citizens for seizing their previously legally owned property?
    the system now dont working..
    kids go to school and die..
    last year you had 30000 deaths from guns
    ban all the guns
    if next year have 29999 deaths,the system worked..
    time to change..your violence system of Rambos failed..sad but true..John McClain is fake

    and ownership??
    put taxis 50000 $ per gun per year...tALL will forget ownership in a second..


    With thought processes like that if we ban all the cars think of all the lives we would save. Evn if it's just one. How about banning all the alcohol> Evn if it's just one? How about all cigarettes...I mean even if it's just one. How about all swimming pools...I mean this is about saving lives so we would save at least one there too.
  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    yeah but those people wouldn't be killed by guns so they fall into the category of either
    a. they did it to themselves
    b. they are part of a cost benefit ratio
    c. shit happens that's life
    and these people aren't worth saving. only people killed by guns are worth saving. the goal isn't to save lives, it's to get rid of guns.

    DS1119 wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:

    What is the outcome you hope to accomplish and what is the benchmark that gives you confidence that this is the solution? Remember, you're talking about a populace with 200+ years of firearm ownership that you need to account for.

    Also, how are are you compensating these law-abiding citizens for seizing their previously legally owned property?
    the system now dont working..
    kids go to school and die..
    last year you had 30000 deaths from guns
    ban all the guns
    if next year have 29999 deaths,the system worked..
    time to change..your violence system of Rambos failed..sad but true..John McClain is fake

    and ownership??
    put taxis 50000 $ per gun per year...tALL will forget ownership in a second..


    With thought processes like that if we ban all the cars think of all the lives we would save. Evn if it's just one. How about banning all the alcohol> Evn if it's just one? How about all cigarettes...I mean even if it's just one. How about all swimming pools...I mean this is about saving lives so we would save at least one there too.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:

    What is the outcome you hope to accomplish and what is the benchmark that gives you confidence that this is the solution? Remember, you're talking about a populace with 200+ years of firearm ownership that you need to account for.

    Also, how are are you compensating these law-abiding citizens for seizing their previously legally owned property?
    the system now dont working..
    kids go to school and die..
    last year you had 30000 deaths from guns
    ban all the guns
    if next year have 29999 deaths,the system worked..
    time to change..your violence system of Rambos failed..sad but true..John McClain is fake

    and ownership??
    put taxis 50000 $ per gun per year...tALL will forget ownership in a second..


    30,000 people out of 315,000,000 dies from guns. Take out murders from illegal guns, take out suicides, and take out justifiable homicide the actual number is quite small. But keep with the mindset of punishing the innocent gun owners for the criminals. People keep pushing your justification that banning guns from legal citizens in this country will end the criminal problem and the crimininal possession of weapons. Such a ridiculous perspective. Absolutley ridiculous. :lol: :fp:
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    DS1119 wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:

    What is the outcome you hope to accomplish and what is the benchmark that gives you confidence that this is the solution? Remember, you're talking about a populace with 200+ years of firearm ownership that you need to account for.

    Also, how are are you compensating these law-abiding citizens for seizing their previously legally owned property?
    the system now dont working..
    kids go to school and die..
    last year you had 30000 deaths from guns
    ban all the guns
    if next year have 29999 deaths,the system worked..
    time to change..your violence system of Rambos failed..sad but true..John McClain is fake

    and ownership??
    put taxis 50000 $ per gun per year...tALL will forget ownership in a second..


    30,000 people out of 315,000,000 dies from guns. Take out murders from illegal guns, take out suicides, and take out justifiable homicide the actual number is quite small. But keep with the mindset of punishing the innocent gun owners for the criminals. People keep pushing your justification that banning guns from legal citizens in this country will end the criminal problem and the crimininal possession of weapons. Such a ridiculous perspective. Absolutley ridiculous. :lol: :fp:

    paint it whatever way you want, America has a problem with gun control, simple. I could continue, like others to back up with some fact, but I know what your take on fact is so I won't waste my time.

    Some people's response after the massacre was to go out and stock up on weapons and ammo, shops reported bumper sales. That, to me, says an awful lot about some people's empathy (or lack their of) and intelligence (again; lack their of).

    But I guess that what you get when you grow up in a society that trumpets the idea of me over we.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,844
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i would have liked to know who in my neighborhood has guns so that my kids do not go over to their house without supervision.

    This i for one don't wan't my kids at houses where there are guns , rifles , granade launchers , missle launchers and such and don't tell me people don't have these ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,595
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:

    What is the outcome you hope to accomplish and what is the benchmark that gives you confidence that this is the solution? Remember, you're talking about a populace with 200+ years of firearm ownership that you need to account for.

    Also, how are are you compensating these law-abiding citizens for seizing their previously legally owned property?
    the system now dont working..
    kids go to school and die..
    last year you had 30000 deaths from guns
    ban all the guns
    if next year have 29999 deaths,the system worked..
    time to change..your violence system of Rambos failed..sad but true..John McClain is fake

    and ownership??
    put taxis 50000 $ per gun per year...tALL will forget ownership in a second..

    Dimitris, you're not answering my questions. I agree with you that there is an issue of grave concern, but don't think you're making a reasoned case for your solution.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Just thought I'd post this here since this a gun debate and it will never make national attention. Happens more frequently that one would think too. But we should definitely take the guns out of legal gun owners hands. Makes perfect sense. :?


    http://www.azfamily.com/news/Phoenix-ho ... 38952.html
  • whgarrett
    whgarrett Posts: 574
    DS1119, Thanks for the link. That shit happens all the time. In Tacoma alone, where I live, I recall at least three similar stories reported by the media in the last 2 years. Did you scroll down and read the comments? If not, you should. The one guy that gives us a great history lesson of past gun control in other countries. That is what the 2nd is all about.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    whgarrett wrote:
    DS1119, Thanks for the link. That shit happens all the time. In Tacoma alone, where I live, I recall at least three similar stories reported by the media in the last 2 years. Did you scroll down and read the comments? If not, you should. The one guy that gives us a great history lesson of past gun control in other countries. That is what the 2nd is all about.


    This post.


    > LITTLE GUN HISTORY.
    > In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.
    >> From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
    > were round.
    > ed up and exterminated.
    > In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
    > From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were.
    > rounded up and exte...rminated.
    > Germany
    > established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million.
    > Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and.
    > exterminated.
    >
    > China established gun.
    > control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to.
    > defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
    >
    > Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to.
    > 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and.
    > exterminated.
    >
    > Uganda established gun.
    > control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend.
    > themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    >
    > Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to.
    > 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up.
    > and exterminated.
    >
    > Defenseless people.
    > rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56.
    > million.
    > You won't see this data on the US.
    > evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this.
    > information.
    >
    > Guns in the hands of.
    > honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely.
    > affect only the law-abiding citizens.
    >
    > Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too.
    > late!
    > The next time someone talks in favor.
    > of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
    > With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are.
    > 'subjects'.


    I'll post it if no one wants to do the searching. :lol:

    Yeah. Penalizing the innocent and taking away their rights is always the right course of action to punish the criminals. Yes...keeping Joe Average from having a rifle in his house will definitely keep a rifle from being out on the streets. :lol: Increase the police and police presence people to stop the criminal element. Paper legislation will do nothing here. :fp:

    Unfortunately these stories will never have national exposure. It doesn't go well with the liberal media's agenda. I mean you can't fight guns...or should I say illegal gun violence...when you concentrate on the wrong area and that area proves you wrong time and time again.

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