I think there are people that need our thoughts and prayers right now. This will be politicized to the nth degree (and probably rightly so), but now's probably not the time.
Just unreal...
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Every last person is sick to their stomachs right now
i thought the last one in colorado was the game changer?
i thought the giffords shooting was the game changer?
i'm not arguing with you, because this event is honestly disgusting. it takes a lot to make me experience nausea when i read a news article, but that is what i felt today.
truth is. there will be no changing the game as long as people in government do not take a firm position on where they stand on the issue.
it is time for a real discussion on gun rights and gun control in this country. not just bullshit lip service.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Every last person is sick to their stomachs right now
i thought the last one in colorado was the game changer?
i thought the giffords shooting was the game changer?
i'm not arguing with you, because this event is honestly disgusting. it takes a lot to make me experience nausea when i read a news article, but that is what i felt today.
truth is. there will be no changing the game as long as people in government do not take a firm position on where they stand on the issue.
it is time for a real discussion on gun rights and gun control in this country. not just bullshit lip service.
Agree with gimme. Sadly, this will change nothing.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Every last person is sick to their stomachs right now
i thought the last one in colorado was the game changer?
i thought the giffords shooting was the game changer?
i'm not arguing with you, because this event is honestly disgusting. it takes a lot to make me experience nausea when i read a news article, but that is what i felt today.
truth is. there will be no changing the game as long as people in government do not take a firm position on where they stand on the issue.
it is time for a real discussion on gun rights and gun control in this country. not just bullshit lip service as usual.
which is what we will get. If we have limits on certain speech, we can certainly have limits on certain weapons and the clips that go with them.
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for what it's worth, as a gun owner/collector/lover, i would be ok with these restrictions.
no guns for anyone convicted of anything violent. extensive background checks and registration system for every gun purchased
pistols- 21 years or older, with extensive classes and shooting requirements for a carry conceal permit.
semi auto rifles- 21 years or older with a gun safety class
full auto- i think full auto is fine right now in texas. if i'm not mistaken, you have to get a class 3 permit which is a couple hundred bucks plus you have to get a recommendation from a judge or sheriff in your county that explains why you want/need a fully automatic machine gun. also, the bastards cost 20 to 30 thousand bucks, so they are pretty hard to come by.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
for what it's worth, as a gun owner/collector/lover, i would be ok with these restrictions.
no guns for anyone convicted of anything violent. extensive background checks and registration system for every gun purchased
pistols- 21 years or older, with extensive classes and shooting requirements for a carry conceal permit.
semi auto rifles- 21 years or older with a gun safety class
full auto- i think full auto is fine right now in texas. if i'm not mistaken, you have to get a class 3 permit which is a couple hundred bucks plus you have to get a recommendation from a judge or sheriff in your county that explains why you want/need a fully automatic machine gun. also, the bastards cost 20 to 30 thousand bucks, so they are pretty hard to come by.
Thank you. I love to hear this stuff from gun owners. There are a lot of small things that could be altered that might slow the process of an unstable person on their way to a mass killing, or just an irresponsible person wanting a gun because its so easy to obtain. Small compromises could work.
Also, we need tougher penalties for illegal guns...Very tough penalties for this.
I've also heard of programs in the past where local police stations offer something in return for citizens turning in unregistered or stolen/misplaces guns. I'd be willing to pay more taxes to fund something like that.
Every last person is sick to their stomachs right now
i thought the last one in colorado was the game changer?
i thought the giffords shooting was the game changer?
i'm not arguing with you, because this event is honestly disgusting. it takes a lot to make me experience nausea when i read a news article, but that is what i felt today.
truth is. there will be no changing the game as long as people in government do not take a firm position on where they stand on the issue.
it is time for a real discussion on gun rights and gun control in this country. not just bullshit lip service.
I dont know. This is a completely different level of hell. If this was done with a semi-auto weapon I think those will be all but toast and nobody is going to want to publicly stand in the way.
Like you said just thinking about this, makes the room spin and your teeth go numb
Every last person is sick to their stomachs right now
i thought the last one in colorado was the game changer?
i thought the giffords shooting was the game changer?
i'm not arguing with you, because this event is honestly disgusting. it takes a lot to make me experience nausea when i read a news article, but that is what i felt today.
truth is. there will be no changing the game as long as people in government do not take a firm position on where they stand on the issue.
it is time for a real discussion on gun rights and gun control in this country. not just bullshit lip service.
I dont know. This is a completely different level of hell. If this was done with a semi-auto weapon I think those will be all but toast and nobody is going to want to publicly stand in the way.
Like you said just thinking about this, makes the room spin and your teeth go numb
when Colenbine (sorry about the spelling) the NRA had their general meeting there. Nothing will change and everytime there is a shooting somewhere the same people will say the same thing and nothing will ever get done.
Just accept the fact that america is just a fucked up place and stop caring.
sorry may sound rude but I am passed the point of caring and I don't even live in america.
Every last person is sick to their stomachs right now
Nope, nothing's gonna change.
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Just accept the fact that america is just a fucked up place and stop caring.
It's hard to stop caring thinking that someone's gonna shoot up the school where your kids are going to...
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There are statistics that back up both sides of the coin, so believe what you want, but there's nobody to blame but the person that pulled the trigger.
The fact that you can go into any Bass Pro Shop (or maybe WalMart?) in most of the country and walk out with an AK-47 or something similar is a goddam disgrace. We're supposed to be a civilized country? These are WEAPONS OF WAR. The founding fathers never intended for common people to personally own cannons or whatever were the weapons of war for their times, and certainly would not have written into the 2nd Amendment the right to bear assault weapons if they existed at the time.
Everything needs to have a limit. I love the 1st Amendment, but I understand that I can't yell BOMB on an airplane. I respect the 2nd Amendment but there has to be a line drawn somewhere.
I mean, come on, when is this shit going to stop? When are we going to lift a pinkie finger to do something about it? How about our President? He has done shit nothing to stop this shit.
This.
Gun people. Why does one need an assault rifle? For defense or hunting?
The second amendment WAS NOT WRITTEN TO ALLOW US TO HUNT BEARS, OR TO STOP A ROBBER.
IT WAS TO ALLOW CITIZENS OF AMERICA TO DEFEND THEIR ***GOD*** GIVEN RIGHTS AND SHOOT A FUCKING TYRANNICAL GOVENRNMENT IN THE FACE.
Supporting gun rights is not the same thing as opening fire on a kindergarten class.
I know its not the same thing, but could you please describe why anyone actually would need a gun? Other than to kill another person, which it was ultimatly made for...
Its so freaking far from my reality to own a gun, even to hold one, will never happen...
Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the Universe...
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We'll very likely not get rid of all the guns in any of our lifetimes- and that is truly tragic- but what might be worse (and I sincerely hope I'm wrong) is that we may never get rid of all the dysfunction, the hate and equally awful, the arrogant stance of certain (not all) gun owners.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Supporting gun rights is not the same thing as opening fire on a kindergarten class.
I know its not the same thing, but could you please describe why anyone actually would need a gun? Other than to kill another person, which it was ultimatly made for...
Its so freaking far from my reality to own a gun, even to hold one, will never happen...
"being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
what is there not to understand?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Supporting gun rights is not the same thing as opening fire on a kindergarten class.
I know its not the same thing, but could you please describe why anyone actually would need a gun? Other than to kill another person, which it was ultimatly made for...
Its so freaking far from my reality to own a gun, even to hold one, will never happen...
"being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
what is there not to understand?
what about the part about the well "regulated" militia and no standing army?
edit to change "armed" to "regulated"....sorry, long emotional day.... :fp:
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"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Supporting gun rights is not the same thing as opening fire on a kindergarten class.
I know its not the same thing, but could you please describe why anyone actually would need a gun? Other than to kill another person, which it was ultimatly made for...
Its so freaking far from my reality to own a gun, even to hold one, will never happen...
"being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
what is there not to understand?
It's curious that you leave out the part about the well-regulated militia.
Supporting gun rights is not the same thing as opening fire on a kindergarten class.
I know its not the same thing, but could you please describe why anyone actually would need a gun? Other than to kill another person, which it was ultimatly made for...
Its so freaking far from my reality to own a gun, even to hold one, will never happen...
"being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
what is there not to understand?
A lot...
Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the Universe...
Supporting gun rights is not the same thing as opening fire on a kindergarten class.
I know its not the same thing, but could you please describe why anyone actually would need a gun? Other than to kill another person, which it was ultimatly made for...
Its so freaking far from my reality to own a gun, even to hold one, will never happen...
Reason to own a gun...........
my post no one wants to comment on...
NRA haters, if you family was threatened, and the law would do nothing about it. What would you do. Seriously, if someone was leaving death threats at your door, harassing phone calls, signs around your neighborhood and the police did nothing, what would you do. You'd think, the Police will help right, WRONG. Threats are just that, a threat. I've experienced this, and believe me.......I could not have been happier to walk into one of these stores and purchase my 9mm and protect my family with it.
The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was derived from our understanding of the British experience that militias were necessary to curb the tyrannical powers of the king. In our case, 'well regulated militias' were necessary as a condition of the colonies to agree to subordinate their sovereignty to a federal government. They wanted a guarantee of power to insure that some future federal government could not egregiously exceed its powers prescribed in the body of the constitution they agreed to. Furthermore, like the militias of the English barons, these state militias were formed ad hoc from the populace as needed on short notice and therefore depended on the populace being already proficient in the art of arms. The only way the Founders of America could guarantee this capability was to encourage civil proficiency in arms and make private ownership and use of arms a tenet of the constitution establishing the government. For these reasons, it should come as no surprise that the rights of freedom of speech and to 'keep and bear arms comprise the first and second amendments to the constitution establishing them as rights of citizenship. We should not consider this rationale archaic. Democracy is fragile and always susceptible to despotism, and we should not be so arrogant as to suppose we are not equally susceptible.
You may try reading the whole thing, or doing your own private study on the rationale behind the 2nd amendment. Most people have NO concept of the reason it was put in place. I ASSURE you it was NOT for HUNTING, NOT for home defense, and it was VERY much to secure PEOPLEs rights against a GOVERNMENT. And the intent was VERY much for them to have their OWN arms. The fact that the Federal Government has now essentially outlawed all impromptu militias and labeled them as "terrorist organisations" should speak TO my point, not against it.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
i own guns because they are fun to shoot and hard to shoot. i don't hunt or kill animals, and i don't have a negative impact on anyones life. some people launch 3 pointers, some people launch golf balls, i launch bullets, and enjoy every minute of it.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
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When you hear about these mass shootings that happen all the time, just remember...
THIS IS YOUR FAULT!
Machine guns were banned, and the NRA's cronies allowed the law to expire. Now look at what's happening, all the fucking time.
I didn't read every reply but machine guns are still banned. You are confused and are arguing with emotion instead of logic. It's ok, my GF does it quite often too.
home skillet is referring to the assault weapon and high capacity magazine ban which wasn't renewed after it expired. and machine guns are banned to an extent, i think all machine guns made after 87 or some other 80's year are banned. it varies state by state the laws which allow ownership of old school machine guns like ak's and what not.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
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Every last person is sick to their stomachs right now
Agree, I think it's a game-changer too. A kindergarten class. You can't even wrap your mind around that.
Just unreal...
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I wish I could believe this.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
i thought the giffords shooting was the game changer?
i'm not arguing with you, because this event is honestly disgusting. it takes a lot to make me experience nausea when i read a news article, but that is what i felt today.
truth is. there will be no changing the game as long as people in government do not take a firm position on where they stand on the issue.
it is time for a real discussion on gun rights and gun control in this country. not just bullshit lip service.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Agree with gimme. Sadly, this will change nothing.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
no guns for anyone convicted of anything violent. extensive background checks and registration system for every gun purchased
pistols- 21 years or older, with extensive classes and shooting requirements for a carry conceal permit.
semi auto rifles- 21 years or older with a gun safety class
full auto- i think full auto is fine right now in texas. if i'm not mistaken, you have to get a class 3 permit which is a couple hundred bucks plus you have to get a recommendation from a judge or sheriff in your county that explains why you want/need a fully automatic machine gun. also, the bastards cost 20 to 30 thousand bucks, so they are pretty hard to come by.
Thank you. I love to hear this stuff from gun owners. There are a lot of small things that could be altered that might slow the process of an unstable person on their way to a mass killing, or just an irresponsible person wanting a gun because its so easy to obtain. Small compromises could work.
Also, we need tougher penalties for illegal guns...Very tough penalties for this.
I've also heard of programs in the past where local police stations offer something in return for citizens turning in unregistered or stolen/misplaces guns. I'd be willing to pay more taxes to fund something like that.
I dont know. This is a completely different level of hell. If this was done with a semi-auto weapon I think those will be all but toast and nobody is going to want to publicly stand in the way.
Like you said just thinking about this, makes the room spin and your teeth go numb
when Colenbine (sorry about the spelling) the NRA had their general meeting there. Nothing will change and everytime there is a shooting somewhere the same people will say the same thing and nothing will ever get done.
Just accept the fact that america is just a fucked up place and stop caring.
sorry may sound rude but I am passed the point of caring and I don't even live in america.
Nope, nothing's gonna change.
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It's hard to stop caring thinking that someone's gonna shoot up the school where your kids are going to...
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
I agree but for me who has witness gun violence first hand, I just get pissed off that no matter what happens the same shit will always stay the same.
there doesn't to be any ryhme or reason behind any of this.
Not at all. I value outside opinions on our issues
An assault rifle is not the same thing as a machine gun.
Semi-auto is not the same thing as auto.
Supporting gun rights is not the same thing as opening fire on a kindergarten class.
They deserve a lot of the blame.
The second amendment WAS NOT WRITTEN TO ALLOW US TO HUNT BEARS, OR TO STOP A ROBBER.
IT WAS TO ALLOW CITIZENS OF AMERICA TO DEFEND THEIR ***GOD*** GIVEN RIGHTS AND SHOOT A FUCKING TYRANNICAL GOVENRNMENT IN THE FACE.
Birthplace of the 2nd Amendment
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I know its not the same thing, but could you please describe why anyone actually would need a gun? Other than to kill another person, which it was ultimatly made for...
Its so freaking far from my reality to own a gun, even to hold one, will never happen...
"being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
what is there not to understand?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
edit to change "armed" to "regulated"....sorry, long emotional day.... :fp:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It's curious that you leave out the part about the well-regulated militia.
A lot...
Reason to own a gun...........
my post no one wants to comment on...
NRA haters, if you family was threatened, and the law would do nothing about it. What would you do. Seriously, if someone was leaving death threats at your door, harassing phone calls, signs around your neighborhood and the police did nothing, what would you do. You'd think, the Police will help right, WRONG. Threats are just that, a threat. I've experienced this, and believe me.......I could not have been happier to walk into one of these stores and purchase my 9mm and protect my family with it.
If you understood specifically what "well-regulated militia" meant to the founders, you would understand that i am not out of line in my reading.
From the article i linked to:
You may try reading the whole thing, or doing your own private study on the rationale behind the 2nd amendment. Most people have NO concept of the reason it was put in place. I ASSURE you it was NOT for HUNTING, NOT for home defense, and it was VERY much to secure PEOPLEs rights against a GOVERNMENT. And the intent was VERY much for them to have their OWN arms. The fact that the Federal Government has now essentially outlawed all impromptu militias and labeled them as "terrorist organisations" should speak TO my point, not against it.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I didn't read every reply but machine guns are still banned. You are confused and are arguing with emotion instead of logic. It's ok, my GF does it quite often too.
Lifetime NRA member. This is not my fault.