Anyone in the NRA?

Johnny Abruzzo

Take a look in the mirror.

When you hear about these mass shootings that happen all the time, just remember...

THIS IS YOUR FAULT!

Machine guns were banned, and the NRA's cronies allowed the law to expire. Now look at what's happening, all the fucking time.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Let's be honest here... the 'silence' from the gun toters speaks volumes.

DewieCox

There are statistics that back up both sides of the coin, so believe what you want, but there's nobody to blame but the person that pulled the trigger.

I don't really know what side I'm on. I have friends that have high powered rifles and they use them responsibly, but it's pretty scary how easy some of them have gotten ahold of them and how excited people in general are about conceal and carry being put in.

Johnny Abruzzo

DewieCox wrote:

There are statistics that back up both sides of the coin, so believe what you want, but there's nobody to blame but the person that pulled the trigger.

The fact that you can go into any Bass Pro Shop (or maybe WalMart?) in most of the country and walk out with an AK-47 or something similar is a goddam disgrace. We're supposed to be a civilized country? These are WEAPONS OF WAR. The founding fathers never intended for common people to personally own cannons or whatever were the weapons of war for their times, and certainly would not have written into the 2nd Amendment the right to bear assault weapons if they existed at the time.

Everything needs to have a limit. I love the 1st Amendment, but I understand that I can't yell BOMB on an airplane. I respect the 2nd Amendment but there has to be a line drawn somewhere.

I mean, come on, when is this shit going to stop? When are we going to lift a pinkie finger to do something about it? How about our President? He has done shit nothing to stop this shit.

gimmesometruth27

i'm gonna get a drone. you know, just because i can...

keeponrockin

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

There are statistics that back up both sides of the coin, so believe what you want, but there's nobody to blame but the person that pulled the trigger.

The fact that you can go into any Bass Pro Shop (or maybe WalMart?) in most of the country and walk out with an AK-47 or something similar is a goddam disgrace. We're supposed to be a civilized country? These are WEAPONS OF WAR. The founding fathers never intended for common people to personally own cannons or whatever were the weapons of war for their times, and certainly would not have written into the 2nd Amendment the right to bear assault weapons if they existed at the time.

Everything needs to have a limit. I love the 1st Amendment, but I understand that I can't yell BOMB on an airplane. I respect the 2nd Amendment but there has to be a line drawn somewhere.

I mean, come on, when is this shit going to stop? When are we going to lift a pinkie finger to do something about it? How about our President? He has done shit nothing to stop this shit.

This.

Gun people. Why does one need an assault rifle? For defense or hunting?

Johnny Abruzzo

keeponrockin wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

There are statistics that back up both sides of the coin, so believe what you want, but there's nobody to blame but the person that pulled the trigger.

The fact that you can go into any Bass Pro Shop (or maybe WalMart?) in most of the country and walk out with an AK-47 or something similar is a goddam disgrace. We're supposed to be a civilized country? These are WEAPONS OF WAR. The founding fathers never intended for common people to personally own cannons or whatever were the weapons of war for their times, and certainly would not have written into the 2nd Amendment the right to bear assault weapons if they existed at the time.

Everything needs to have a limit. I love the 1st Amendment, but I understand that I can't yell BOMB on an airplane. I respect the 2nd Amendment but there has to be a line drawn somewhere.

I mean, come on, when is this shit going to stop? When are we going to lift a pinkie finger to do something about it? How about our President? He has done shit nothing to stop this shit.

This.

Gun people. Why does one need an assault rifle? For defense or hunting?

Kill a dozen deer at once?

Maybe you need one to defend yourself when that Tokyo Gang from Kill Bill comes to your house.

(Sorry to make jokes. I know it's not funny, but sometimes we need some humor in these times.)

DewieCox

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

There are statistics that back up both sides of the coin, so believe what you want, but there's nobody to blame but the person that pulled the trigger.

The fact that you can go into any Bass Pro Shop (or maybe WalMart?) in most of the country and walk out with an AK-47 or something similar is a goddam disgrace. We're supposed to be a civilized country? These are WEAPONS OF WAR. The founding fathers never intended for common people to personally own cannons or whatever were the weapons of war for their times, and certainly would not have written into the 2nd Amendment the right to bear assault weapons if they existed at the time.

Everything needs to have a limit. I love the 1st Amendment, but I understand that I can't yell BOMB on an airplane. I respect the 2nd Amendment but there has to be a line drawn somewhere.

I mean, come on, when is this shit going to stop? When are we going to lift a pinkie finger to do something about it? How about our President? He has done shit nothing to stop this shit.

No disputing any of your points.

I've heard stories from my friends about going to gun shows and sellers with their trunks open outside offloading the shit that didn't sell.

To too many people gun control is a dirty word. Seems like mostly extremes on one side or the other and not enough sensible conversation about it.

JOEJOEJOE

I would love to hear an NRA leader speak off the record about today's event. I know it is natural for those with extreme views to keep up appearances, but there has to be a limit.

Johnny Abruzzo

DewieCox wrote:

To too many people gun control is a dirty word. Seems like mostly extremes on one side or the other and not enough sensible conversation about it.

See I don't think most people's views are all that extreme.

We DO have a 2nd Amendment, and if people choose they do have the right to bear arms, in self defense. I'm for, with a reasonable background check, the right to own hunting rifles, a hand gun for defense.

I just cannot fathom that it's legal to own a machine gun in this country.

JonnyPistachio

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The fact that you can go into any Bass Pro Shop (or maybe WalMart?) in most of the country and walk out with an AK-47 or something similar is a goddam disgrace. We're supposed to be a civilized country? These are WEAPONS OF WAR. The founding fathers never intended for common people to personally own cannons or whatever were the weapons of war for their times, and certainly would not have written into the 2nd Amendment the right to bear assault weapons if they existed at the time.

Everything needs to have a limit. I love the 1st Amendment, but I understand that I can't yell BOMB on an airplane. I respect the 2nd Amendment but there has to be a line drawn somewhere.

I mean, come on, when is this shit going to stop? When are we going to lift a pinkie finger to do something about it? How about our President? He has done shit nothing to stop this shit.

Whether or not there are insane shootings like this in the news every few months shouldnt matter and shouldnt be the catalyst to wake us up...I agree with your points here -- Its simply too damned easy for nearly anyone to get VERY powerful handguns and assault rifles. It truly is a disgrace how easy it has become in recent years.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Let's be honest here... the 'silence' from the gun toters speaks volumes.

yup.

DewieCox

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

Gun people. Why does one need an assault rifle? For defense or hunting?

Kill a dozen deer at once?

Maybe you need one to defend yourself when that Tokyo Gang from Kill Bill comes to your house.

(Sorry to make jokes. I know it's not funny, but sometimes we need some humor in these times.)

I've posed this question to my gun lovin friends and most of them say something about, "if the government and criminals have them, law-abiding citizens should have them". In these times, I can see their point, but goddamn if it doesn't sound paranoid and crazy hearing them say stuff like that. I admit I've had alot of good times going out and shooting those guns that would be illegal, but I can't say it's worth the shit that happens on a week to week basis.

Does anybody wanna live in a world where you have to keep a full arsenal to protect your livelihood?

gimmesometruth27

i don't understand why people are "shocked" every time this happens. there are shootings every day in this country, many of them taking more than one person to the other side.

this is what is gonna happen..

1. everyone is going to mourn and feel like shit for a couple of days
2. everyone is going to wonder and contemplate what went wrong and why it happened..
3. people are going to call for tighter gun laws and restrictions and the nra is going to oppose it.
4. the president is going to speak and pundits are going to state their case and we may begin to talk about having a serious dialogue about gun control in this country.

and then...

5. lindsey lohan is going to get in another car wreck in 2 days and we will forget all about how we feel right now and nothing will ever get done or be any different.

this is the exact same pattern in america.

ComeToTX

@MMFlint: Just 18 hrs ago, those Republicans in the Michigan House rammed thru a bill making it LEGAL to carry a gun into a school or day care center.

mikepegg44

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Let's be honest here... the 'silence' from the gun toters speaks volumes.

what response are you looking for?

I own guns, love them, love shooting them.

craziness. That is why we have mass shootings. It isn't the fault of anyone in the NRA, unless of course the shooter is actually in the NRA. Then, that member would be responsible.

I want to legalize all drugs, would that make me responsible for heroin overdoses?

Trust is a huge issue, many don't trust that the government will stop at something like the assault rifle ban and because of that distrust they come off as extreme because they are against small grabs like an automatic weapons ban.

as an aside, nice to know we have accurate reporting on violent crime lol

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/justice/u ... index.html

title, U.S. violent crime down for fifth straight year

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/17/us/violen ... index.html

title, U.S. violent crime up for first time in years

pretty crazy that a story on the same website two weeks apart says exactly the opposite thing.

Johnny Abruzzo

ComeToTX wrote:

@MMFlint: Just 18 hrs ago, those Republicans in the Michigan House rammed thru a bill making it LEGAL to carry a gun into a school or day care center.

They're busy up there these days, aren't they.

pandora

Do we think that the mass killings will stop with the banning of assault weapons?

Targeting children sends a message. No child is safe.
Perhaps this the message, motive ...
this is so outrageous, so unthinkable, so horrific. It was this reaction that was the motive.

We can ban all we like but if that is the motive, killing will continue and get much worse.

Crazy people are frustrated, untreated, suicidal.
I say crazy intentionally and not disrespectfully towards those with mental illness.
There is a new kind of crazy going on, a new breed made and packaged in this time.
Many factors are bringing this, none of which are the guns themselves,
but certainly the gun glory learned from small on is ingrained in the brain.
Crazy is as crazy does.
Have you seen the young child's face playing the violent video games?
Glassed eyes, bullets flying, bloody victims falling. It's programming young minds.
Have you seen the very young children in the movie theatre watching
things only adults should see. It's programming young minds.

They are now growing up, maybe messing with drugs that change minds.
Maybe failing at everything they try. Maybe growing angry at a world
at people who failed them.
Maybe gonna take it all out as they leave this world.
Crazy shit that is all our fault.

wilberon

I know this sounds paranoid and the concept is a little crazy... but given the evidence of social outcry in this country about class wars, I think its very reasonable to understand the legitimacy of a right to bear firearms. Besides... I doubt that most of the weapons used in these tragic events this past year were actual legally registered firearms not to mention the fact that if a criminal wants a firearm, or a bag of dope for that matter, it will be just as easily acquired on the black market as a joint ....as if most of them weren't already acquired by those means...

Personally... if someone like Mitt Romney ( a social advocate solely for elitist greed ) is able to come damn near elected for this country, nearly dividing our society as if in our society the majority of us common folk already possess an impotent political opinion, ..... you're damn right I want my firearms, ask the Syrians what they think about Gun Rights..

JC29856

take a look at our leaders...they kill innocent children all the time

Its Evolution Baby

pandora wrote:

Do we think that the mass killings will stop with the banning of assault weapons?

I don't but can any one tell me why they are legal in the first place? If you make it harder to get the weapons and step up the enforcement of the illegal gun market you can stop some of the mass shootings which is enough to make it worth it to me.

Johnny Abruzzo

pandora wrote:

Do we think that the mass killings will stop with the banning of assault weapons?

We won't be able to reduce the frequency, but maybe at least we can reduce the severity of these incidents.

Guy could've killed a few people in Aurora without a machine gun, but not 70 or 80.

I don't know why all these people are crazy as you say, and it's going to be a major problem for society to take care of that problem. In the meantime, if we at least mitigated the types of weapons that are available we could save a lot of lives.

Jason P

I predict that assualt rifle sales will break records this weekend.

JK_Livin

Guns are made to kill, PERIOD.

goingtoverona

I was proudly in the NRA, I'm still glad they are around and doing what they do or we would have some ridiculous gun laws out there. I quit because they were constantly and i mean constantly asking for money to help further their cause. Which is cool, but I'm in texas and we love guns in texas so there isn't a lot of need for them. But like i said, I'm glad the NRA exists. Can it still be my fault even if i'm not a member anymore? It would be a great conversation starter.

chadwick

goingtoverona wrote:

I was proudly in the NRA, I'm still glad they are around and doing what they do or we would have some ridiculous gun laws out there. I quit because they were constantly and i mean constantly asking for money to help further their cause. Which is cool, but I'm in texas and we love guns in texas so there isn't a lot of need for them. But like i said, I'm glad the NRA exists. Can it still be my fault even if i'm not a member anymore? It would be a great conversation starter.

true... texans are enthralled by firearms.

JOEJOEJOE

goingtoverona wrote:

I was proudly in the NRA, I'm still glad they are around and doing what they do or we would have some ridiculous gun laws out there. I quit because they were constantly and i mean constantly asking for money to help further their cause. Which is cool, but I'm in texas and we love guns in texas so there isn't a lot of need for them. But like i said, I'm glad the NRA exists. Can it still be my fault even if i'm not a member anymore? It would be a great conversation starter.

I am not trying to start a debate, but I am curious as to what you would consider a "ridiculous gun law".

Do you think the NRA would ever coooperate in devising some sort of "middle ground"?

BIGDaddyWil

I'm not in the NRA, but I do own firearms. I love to hunt and shoot at a few local gun clubs.

dougfloyd

Just sharing some information from an article I just read:
http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Source-29-dead-including-22-children-in-Newtown-4118505.php?cmpid=twitter

"Connecticut's gun laws are tougher than the national average. Consumers need permits to buy handguns. Assault-style weapons are banned as is the possession of bullet-proof vests. Another law, adopted about 10 years ago, lets neighbors who are suspicious of the activities of other neighbors to file police reports. Also, people with protective orders filed against them are prohibited from owning firearms."

elvistheking44

NRA haters, if you family was threatened, and the law would do nothing about it. What would you do. Seriously, if someone was leaving death threats at your door, harassing phone calls, signs around your neighborhood and the police did nothing, what would you do. You'd think, the Police will help right, WRONG. Threats are just that, a threat. I've experienced this, and believe me.......I could not have been happier to walk into one of these stores and purchase my 9mm and protect my family with it.

Enkidu

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

I was proudly in the NRA, I'm still glad they are around and doing what they do or we would have some ridiculous gun laws out there. I quit because they were constantly and i mean constantly asking for money to help further their cause. Which is cool, but I'm in texas and we love guns in texas so there isn't a lot of need for them. But like i said, I'm glad the NRA exists. Can it still be my fault even if i'm not a member anymore? It would be a great conversation starter.

I am not trying to start a debate, but I am curious as to what you would consider a "ridiculous gun law".

Do you think the NRA would ever coooperate in devising some sort of "middle ground"?

I read an article not long ago - I wish I could find it - about how there are moderates in the NRA, people who WANT stricter gun buying rules and restrictions on the gun shows, etc. But the moderates are drowned out by the people who say, "If we give in on ONE thing, the government will take away ALL our rights."

Which of course isn't true and I've posted this before - I own a gun, I consider myself a responsible gun owner but why can't there be more restrictions? Reasonable restrictions, not taking away everybody's guns.

goingtoverona

i'm not sure, i would have to go back and look and what they were trying to stop. see they would send these emails with updates about what they were trying to accomplish or stop in each of the different states. mostly states with tougher gun laws. no i don't think the nra wants any common ground. they are like a pit bull alpha male, any giving in is weakness to them so they will fight every possible thing.