If the band LOVES vinyl so damn much...

NAUjackfan

...and a sixth!

my2hands

make it 7

i like people with a plan

PJ_Soul

JB128716 wrote:

In my opinion, if they re-release any vinyls, it should be with a slightly different album cover. This way the people who have the originals will be happy and the people that want to hear it on vinyl will be happy.

Kind of like the remaster of Ten has a different color than the original.

I bought the original GnR Live Like a Suicide when I was a kid for $5 and sold it years later for $500. Am I bad for doing this nah?

I bought it again years later (but it was a fake). I had a different back cover. Did I care? Nope. I still get to hear it on vinyl.

So far, the reissues are very different from the originals. As you mention, Ten is a different colour, and also comes with the remastered version. Vs has a similar cover, but still very noticeably different - the photo of the sheep is a different angle. And Vitalogy is different in that the reissue is actually way nicer. The jacket is textured and of nicer quality than the original, and it's a 2-disc version (which I hate, and so never play it). I would imagine that any upcoming reissues would also be different than first pressings.

PJ_Soul

my2hands wrote:

make it 7

i like people with a plan

8

JonnyPistachio

brianlux wrote:

Here's an idea- if every one of us who would like to see the PJ catalog re-released on I would suggested flooding Sony/Epic with requests to do so. I just did here:

http://hub.sonymusic.com/about/feedback.php

Done!

Dont hate me, but a friend came over a year or so ago and gave me a copy of Riot Act on vinyl. He said he had it for awhile and just wasnt a fan. Gave it to me free! Then it got lost in my mix of records. :oops: I mostly forgot about it because it seems like I never listen to anything newer than the 80's, so I am just programmed to forget I have new stuff on vinyl. I know what I'm doing tonight now though!

So riot act and into the wild are my only two PJ related vinyls...I'd collect more if they were cheaper for sure...especially NO code and Yield.

H.Chinaski

this

my2hands

the first 3 re-issues of Ten, Vs., and Vitalogy are a great start, as long as they offered just single LP's for a normal rate while at the same time offering the super duper deluxe box sets for $150... but the fact is those first 3 records were the most pressed of their releases because at the time of their release in the early 90's vinyl was still a viable product and way to sell music, and PJ was the biggest band in the world and was breaking sales records... so they were always available and affordable... as the cd/digital/mp3 age grew, vinyl faded in the late 90's and early 00's, as did PJ's standing as the biggest band in the world, and they pressed less and less for each record... every release at the time did, not just Pearl Jam... that is why you could always find a ton of the first 3 records in the secondary market and in record stores for $20-$30, because there were TONS of them pressed ... this is also why Backspacer is readily available in LP form, because vinyl is back to being a viable and popular way of listening to and selling music (it is back mostly due to backlash from the digital mp3 shit age of music delivery, but that’s another discussion)... so the real issue now lies with the less pressed releases from the "vinyl is dead" era, No Code through Avocado, which are going for insane, and frankly laughable, prices in the secondary market... supply and demand right? The simple solution is to increase supply...

now most artists, especially from the same era as PJ, seeing the comeback of vinyl as a viable product, have re-issued their entire catalogs on vinyl for fans to buy and enjoy... ben harper, incubus, metallica, etc, etc... so my question is does PJ plan on doing some big reissue for every anniversary of an album? meanwhile letting their fan base get gouged in the secondary market, or just not being able to listen to the best band in the world on vinyl? that just seems like milking the cow to me, and isn’t what I would expect from a band that professes to LOVE vinyl so much... so I would hope that the best band in the world... the band that brought you "spin the black circle", the band that touted the virtues of vinyl throughout their career, would actually make their catalog available to their fans on vinyl for normal and affordable prices, sooner rather than later...

and for those that say, “you missed the boat, TOO BAD” (how silly and childish is that, seriously?), I also believe this would be a great move for the younger fan base, which frankly has brought vinyl back from the dead, by allowing them to purchase LP’s that were released before they were fans, or maybe even before they were born in some cases… or what’s wrong with being an older fan and now being an established adult and wanting to return to the glory years of yesterday by spinning some great LP’s on the turntable? I guess some in a very small minority would say “fuck em, they should have bought the Binaural LP when they were 10, I got mine and it worth such and such”… but I personally disagree with that short sighted, and frankly ignorant thought process… I say if people want vinyl… let them have it… it’s a record, not a fucking Picasso… nobody is saying reissue special releases like the xmas singles or a limited release like Benny Hall… we are talking about normal studio releases for god’s sake… call me crazy but I don’t want my favorite band, the best band in the world, to be the last to the party on the reissued catalog train

it’s wax… not gold… spin the black circle

PJ_Soul

my2hands wrote:

the first 3 re-issues of Ten, Vs., and Vitalogy are a great start, as long as they offered just single LP's for a normal rate while at the same time offering the super duper deluxe box sets for $150... but the fact is those first 3 records were the most pressed of their releases because at the time of their release in the early 90's vinyl was still a viable product and way to sell music, and PJ was the biggest band in the world and was breaking sales records... so they were always available and affordable... as the cd/digital/mp3 age grew, vinyl faded in the late 90's and early 00's, as did PJ's standing as the biggest band in the world, and they pressed less and less for each record... every release at the time did, not just Pearl Jam... that is why you could always find a ton of the first 3 records in the secondary market and in record stores for $20-$30, because there were TONS of them pressed ... this is also why Backspacer is readily available in LP form, because vinyl is back to being a viable and popular way of listening to and selling music (it is back mostly due to backlash from the digital mp3 shit age of music delivery, but that’s another discussion)... so the real issue now lies with the less pressed releases from the "vinyl is dead" era, No Code through Avocado, which are going for insane, and frankly laughable, prices in the secondary market... supply and demand right? The simple solution is to increase supply...

now most artists, especially from the same era as PJ, seeing the comeback of vinyl as a viable product, have re-issued their entire catalogs on vinyl for fans to buy and enjoy... ben harper, incubus, metallica, etc, etc... so my question is does PJ plan on doing some big reissue for every anniversary of an album? meanwhile letting their fan base get gouged in the secondary market, or just not being able to listen to the best band in the world on vinyl? that just seems like milking the cow to me, and isn’t what I would expect from a band that professes to LOVE vinyl so much... so I would hope that the best band in the world... the band that brought you "spin the black circle", the band that touted the virtues of vinyl throughout their career, would actually make their catalog available to their fans on vinyl for normal and affordable prices, sooner rather than later...

and for those that say, “you missed the boat, TOO BAD” (how silly and childish is that, seriously?), I also believe this would be a great move for the younger fan base, which frankly has brought vinyl back from the dead, by allowing them to purchase LP’s that were released before they were fans, or maybe even before they were born in some cases… or what’s wrong with being an older fan and now being an established adult and wanting to return to the glory years of yesterday by spinning some great LP’s on the turntable? I guess some in a very small minority would say “fuck em, they should have bought the Binaural LP when they were 10, I got mine and it worth such and such”… but I personally disagree with that short sighted, and frankly ignorant thought process… I say if people want vinyl… let them have it… it’s a record, not a fucking Picasso… nobody is saying reissue special releases like the xmas singles or a limited release like Benny Hall… we are talking about normal studio releases for god’s sake… call me crazy but I don’t want my favorite band, the best band in the world, to be the last to the party on the reissued catalog train

it’s wax… not gold… spin the black circle

Totally agree. PJ should just reissue everything ASAP. The ONLY thing they are getting out of not is annoyed fans who are getting ripped off because of their uncontrollable love for the band's music. Not very cool at all. I don't see their motivation in holding them back. All it can do is make them some money and make fans happy.

deftones

brianlux wrote:

Here's an idea- if every one of us who would like to see the PJ catalog re-released on I would suggested flooding Sony/Epic with requests to do so. I just did here:

http://hub.sonymusic.com/about/feedback.php

Great idea, I'm in too

perfectlefts14

brianlux wrote:

Here's an idea- if every one of us who would like to see the PJ catalog re-released on I would suggested flooding Sony/Epic with requests to do so. I just did here:

http://hub.sonymusic.com/about/feedback.php

Great idea Brian!
Done :thumbup:

H.Chinaski

deftones wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Here's an idea- if every one of us who would like to see the PJ catalog re-released on I would suggested flooding Sony/Epic with requests to do so. I just did here:

http://hub.sonymusic.com/about/feedback.php

Great idea, I'm in too

+1

PJ_Soul

H.Chinaski wrote:

deftones wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Here's an idea- if every one of us who would like to see the PJ catalog re-released on I would suggested flooding Sony/Epic with requests to do so. I just did here:

http://hub.sonymusic.com/about/feedback.php

Great idea, I'm in too

+1

At Sony's urging in a reply to my email asking them for it, I posted the topic of reissuing the catalog on their request website - you can go there and vote to support the request for the reissues.

http://legacyrecordings.userecho.com/topic/140308-/

DewieCox

They should definitely reissue these, but only after they've remastered them from the analog source. Vs and Vitalogy reissues don't sound great so if that's their plan for the rest of the album I'd rather they stop or scrap what they've done and start back from the beginning.

For those that prefer the sound of vinyl, well, these PJ albums aren't for you b/c they are sourced from the same files that are on your cd's. I've got all the studio albums on vinyl and the moments where the music really pops with that vinyl vibe is relatively rare. No Code-Riot Act sound pretty good, but nowhere near as good as they could/should. Most of the rest are kinda hit or miss. Backspacer is one of the worst sounding in my entire collection.

If you like the whole experience of listening to the vinyl, take whatever vinyl ritual you have and apply it to the playing of your cd's.


I paid the high prices for their records, but I'd gladly take a hit on the resale value for analog remasters.

NAUjackfan

I just started a thread on getting Sony to re-issue their PJ vinyl.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=200292

DewieCox

PJ_Soul wrote:

So far, the reissues are very different from the originals. As you mention, Ten is a different colour, and also comes with the remastered version. Vs has a similar cover, but still very noticeably different - the photo of the sheep is a different angle. And Vitalogy is different in that the reissue is actually way nicer. The jacket is textured and of nicer quality than the original, and it's a 2-disc version (which I hate, and so never play it). I would imagine that any upcoming reissues would also be different than first pressings.

My original press of Vitalogy has the textured cover and as I understood the repress doesn't.

Don't take sound quality out of the equation. Those Vs and Vitalogy reissues are brickwalled to kingdom come, and the whole 2 disc thing, which someone mentioned that would enhance the sound. I'm pretty sure the only way to change the sound would be a change in the mastering process.

PJ_Soul

DewieCox wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

So far, the reissues are very different from the originals. As you mention, Ten is a different colour, and also comes with the remastered version. Vs has a similar cover, but still very noticeably different - the photo of the sheep is a different angle. And Vitalogy is different in that the reissue is actually way nicer. The jacket is textured and of nicer quality than the original, and it's a 2-disc version (which I hate, and so never play it). I would imagine that any upcoming reissues would also be different than first pressings.

My original press of Vitalogy has the textured cover and as I understood the repress doesn't.

Don't take sound quality out of the equation. Those Vs and Vitalogy reissues are brickwalled to kingdom come, and the whole 2 disc thing, which someone mentioned that would enhance the sound. I'm pretty sure the only way to change the sound would be a change in the mastering process.

... Hmmm... I'll have to check when I get home, but I thought it was the other way around. My first pressing is smooth, the reissue is textured. Maybe I'm misremembering somehow... But the fact struck me as surprising when I was comparing them (as in, wtf, why is the reissue so much nicer than the original???), so I don't think so... :think: But yeah, I will check again.

DewieCox

PJ_Soul wrote:

... Hmmm... I'll have to check when I get home, but I thought it was the other way around. My first pressing is smooth, the reissue is textured. Maybe I'm misremembering somehow... But the fact struck me as surprising when I was comparing them (as in, wtf, why is the reissue so much nicer than the original???), so I don't think so... :think: But yeah, I will check again.

Whoops nm, you're right. I was thinking embossed. :oops:

PJ_Soul

DewieCox wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

... Hmmm... I'll have to check when I get home, but I thought it was the other way around. My first pressing is smooth, the reissue is textured. Maybe I'm misremembering somehow... But the fact struck me as surprising when I was comparing them (as in, wtf, why is the reissue so much nicer than the original???), so I don't think so... :think: But yeah, I will check again.

Whoops nm, you're right. I was thinking embossed. :oops:

Thank goodness; I was starting to think I was losing my marbles!

STAYSEA

Down with the OP!

brianlux

H.Chinaski wrote:

deftones wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Here's an idea- if every one of us who would like to see the PJ catalog re-released on I would suggested flooding Sony/Epic with requests to do so. I just did here:

http://hub.sonymusic.com/about/feedback.php

Great idea, I'm in too

+1

PJ_Soul wrote:

At Sony's urging in a reply to my email asking them for it, I posted the topic of reissuing the catalog on their request website - you can go there and vote to support the request for the reissues.

http://legacyrecordings.userecho.com/topic/140308-/

Great job everybody! 11 or more replies to my suggestion so far plus PJ_Soul's plus this:
posting.php?mode=quote&f=4&p=4779177

The more we get the word out the more likely it will happen. We can do it!