If the band LOVES vinyl so damn much...

eyejacker

As a graphic designer, one of the main reasons I collect vinyl is also the size of the artwork.
There are just SO many reasons......

Mango

Hmmm hard to argue with the OP. I dont think TEN, Vs or Vitalogy would be worth re-pressing at this stage as there's heaps around. But the rest? Why not. I don't understand how there were so many Backspacers pressed and so few Avocado. What is clearly evident is that there is a shit load of BS not being sold and a shit load of people who want the self titled. So a re-pressing would solve that. Rumours of a No Code re-issue in the same format as the previous box sets would be interesting but my own personal opinion is that the band should be looking forward and not backwards. They could easily re-press this as it is and get it out. Same for the rest Yield, Riot Act etc etc.

Quite simply if there is a demand for more albums to be made available in LP format why not produce them? I don't know how the manufacturers run these numbers wise but you would assume it is the more you order the cheaper it is. Solution? Run a pre-order via 10c and round it off. Give everyone a time frame to order what they want, do the maths and tally-ho. This way you don't end up with hundreds of extras in a saturated market.

Thats just off the top of my head. Essentially I would be happy to see more fans get more of what they want and reduce the eBay 2nd-hand cost market. If they don't even want to consider this, so be it. Thats life.

mookeywrench

PJ_Soul wrote:

Yeah, that the thread wasn't all about me was implied in the first place, but thanks for the clarification. :roll: Just offering my personal opinion.

But I still totally disagree on a wider scale. I think a LOT of people just want the vinyl for normal or normal-ish prices because they love the sound of it and love the process of playing. I think those collectors who care about scarcity (and therefore like to pay ridiculous prices for it) are a small minority. I mean, those are the people who never PLAY their vinyl. I don't actually think that makes up a very significant number of those who buy vinyl.

Just because it's scarce doesn't mean you're paying ridiculous prices for it.
Collectibility aside, if there's an album I don't enjoy as much as I used to, it's nice that I can get rid of it for nearly the price that I bought it for.

There's many reasons to enjoy vinyl, and scarcity is one piece of the puzzle.

PJ_Soul

Mango wrote:

Hmmm hard to argue with the OP. I dont think TEN, Vs or Vitalogy would be worth re-pressing at this stage as there's heaps around. But the rest? Why not. I don't understand how there were so many Backspacers pressed and so few Avocado. What is clearly evident is that there is a shit load of BS not being sold and a shit load of people who want the self titled. So a re-pressing would solve that. Rumours of a No Code re-issue in the same format as the previous box sets would be interesting but my own personal opinion is that the band should be looking forward and not backwards. They could easily re-press this as it is and get it out. Same for the rest Yield, Riot Act etc etc.

Quite simply if there is a demand for more albums to be made available in LP format why not produce them? I don't know how the manufacturers run these numbers wise but you would assume it is the more you order the cheaper it is. Solution? Run a pre-order via 10c and round it off. Give everyone a time frame to order what they want, do the maths and tally-ho. This way you don't end up with hundreds of extras in a saturated market.

Thats just off the top of my head. Essentially I would be happy to see more fans get more of what they want and reduce the eBay 2nd-hand cost market. If they don't even want to consider this, so be it. Thats life.

Ten, Vs, and Vitalogy have already been reissued. I got all three for $36 maybe 6 months ago. 8-) And the nice thing is, the prices on the first-pressing went down dramatically after they were reissued. Collectors who want first-pressings must be happy too!

PJ_Soul

mookeywrench wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Yeah, that the thread wasn't all about me was implied in the first place, but thanks for the clarification. :roll: Just offering my personal opinion.

But I still totally disagree on a wider scale. I think a LOT of people just want the vinyl for normal or normal-ish prices because they love the sound of it and love the process of playing. I think those collectors who care about scarcity (and therefore like to pay ridiculous prices for it) are a small minority. I mean, those are the people who never PLAY their vinyl. I don't actually think that makes up a very significant number of those who buy vinyl.

Just because it's scarce doesn't mean you're paying ridiculous prices for it.
Collectibility aside, if there's an album I don't enjoy as much as I used to, it's nice that I can get rid of it for nearly the price that I bought it for.

There's many reasons to enjoy vinyl, and scarcity is one piece of the puzzle.

Okay, you seem to like that... but I think you're in the minority there. I think most people just want to be able to afford the albums they want to spin. And if you're talking PJ vinyl (and most other desirable music as far as I've been able to tell), scarcity DOES mean high prices.

eyejacker

PJ_Soul wrote:

Mango wrote:

Hmmm hard to argue with the OP. I dont think TEN, Vs or Vitalogy would be worth re-pressing at this stage as there's heaps around. But the rest? Why not. I don't understand how there were so many Backspacers pressed and so few Avocado. What is clearly evident is that there is a shit load of BS not being sold and a shit load of people who want the self titled. So a re-pressing would solve that. Rumours of a No Code re-issue in the same format as the previous box sets would be interesting but my own personal opinion is that the band should be looking forward and not backwards. They could easily re-press this as it is and get it out. Same for the rest Yield, Riot Act etc etc.

Quite simply if there is a demand for more albums to be made available in LP format why not produce them? I don't know how the manufacturers run these numbers wise but you would assume it is the more you order the cheaper it is. Solution? Run a pre-order via 10c and round it off. Give everyone a time frame to order what they want, do the maths and tally-ho. This way you don't end up with hundreds of extras in a saturated market.

Thats just off the top of my head. Essentially I would be happy to see more fans get more of what they want and reduce the eBay 2nd-hand cost market. If they don't even want to consider this, so be it. Thats life.

Ten, Vs, and Vitalogy have already been reissued. I got all three for $36 maybe 6 months ago. 8-) And the nice thing is, the prices on the first-pressing went down dramatically after they were reissued. Collectors who want first-pressings must be happy too!

the first three albums were always quite easy to find for a reasonable price. I got all of them at my local, no problem. I have never seen any of the others though except BS.

I don't think the prices of the first issues will drop too much, if the rest are re-issued. Maybe a bit at first when flippers panic, but in the long run it will even out. There are still people trying to flip PJ Blu Rays for $300 and a re-issue is available for $40. I know it's not vinyl but it's the same principle.

Mango

PJ_Soul wrote:

Ten, Vs, and Vitalogy have already been reissued. I got all three for $36 maybe 6 months ago. 8-) And the nice thing is, the prices on the first-pressing went down dramatically after they were reissued. Collectors who want first-pressings must be happy too!

Exactly so I don't see why 10c would even dream of re-releasing these. There has been loads of re-issues and its widely available. I'm a collector of PJ music and I hunt down stuff I need as hard as I can like a lot of people on this board. I have some stuff that, lets say, the majority might not have but would want. Do I see a problem if they re-issue it and so reduce my originals worth? Personally, not at all. I don't collect to sell. I'm happy for more people to have more of the stuff they like.

PJ_Soul

eyejacker wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Mango wrote:

Hmmm hard to argue with the OP. I dont think TEN, Vs or Vitalogy would be worth re-pressing at this stage as there's heaps around. But the rest? Why not. I don't understand how there were so many Backspacers pressed and so few Avocado. What is clearly evident is that there is a shit load of BS not being sold and a shit load of people who want the self titled. So a re-pressing would solve that. Rumours of a No Code re-issue in the same format as the previous box sets would be interesting but my own personal opinion is that the band should be looking forward and not backwards. They could easily re-press this as it is and get it out. Same for the rest Yield, Riot Act etc etc.

Quite simply if there is a demand for more albums to be made available in LP format why not produce them? I don't know how the manufacturers run these numbers wise but you would assume it is the more you order the cheaper it is. Solution? Run a pre-order via 10c and round it off. Give everyone a time frame to order what they want, do the maths and tally-ho. This way you don't end up with hundreds of extras in a saturated market.

Thats just off the top of my head. Essentially I would be happy to see more fans get more of what they want and reduce the eBay 2nd-hand cost market. If they don't even want to consider this, so be it. Thats life.

Ten, Vs, and Vitalogy have already been reissued. I got all three for $36 maybe 6 months ago. 8-) And the nice thing is, the prices on the first-pressing went down dramatically after they were reissued. Collectors who want first-pressings must be happy too!

the first three albums were always quite easy to find for a reasonable price. I got all of them at my local, no problem. I have never seen any of the others though except BS.

I don't think the prices of the first issues will drop too much, if the rest are re-issued. Maybe a bit at first when flippers panic, but in the long run it will even out. There are still people trying to flip PJ Blu Rays for $300 and a re-issue is available for $40. I know it's not vinyl but it's the same principle.

It is the same principle... but are people actually buying those $300 blue rays now?? I know they're posted, but I don't think they're selling anymore, really. Well, anyway, we shall see! I definitely think prices will go down as the albums are reissued. First pressing will still cost a premium, but nowhere near what they're going for now I don't think. But hey, if they don't, makes no diff to me - I would never get a first pressing if I could get a reissue for a fraction of the price (although this stupid double-LP shit continues, I will pay more for a first pressing if it's not too much).

PJ_Soul

Mango wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Ten, Vs, and Vitalogy have already been reissued. I got all three for $36 maybe 6 months ago. 8-) And the nice thing is, the prices on the first-pressing went down dramatically after they were reissued. Collectors who want first-pressings must be happy too!

Exactly so I don't see why 10c would even dream of re-releasing these. There has been loads of re-issues and its widely available. I'm a collector of PJ music and I hunt down stuff I need as hard as I can like a lot of people on this board. I have some stuff that, lets say, the majority might not have but would want. Do I see a problem if they re-issue it and so reduce my originals worth? Personally, not at all. I don't collect to sell. I'm happy for more people to have more of the stuff they like.

:?: They're not dreaming of re-releasing them... because they've already been re-released. They've got 3 out of the way - a bunch more to go.
I'm with you on the attitude of scarcity. Aside from the prices, I want as many people as possible to have the vinyl.

eyejacker

PJ_Soul wrote:

It is the same principle... but are people actually buying those $300 blue rays now?? I know they're posted, but I don't think they're selling anymore, really. Well, anyway, we shall see! I definitely think prices will go down as the albums are reissued. First pressing will still cost a premium, but nowhere near what they're going for now I don't think. But hey, if they don't, makes no diff to me - I would never get a first pressing if I could get a reissue for a fraction of the price (although this stupid double-LP shit continues, I will pay more for a first pressing if it's not too much).

I hear you! 10C have to realize that everyone who collects will buy the re-issues. Even people who have the originals. I know I did it with the first 3. I then have a gap of 8 albums and Backspacer at the end.
I just bought Yield last night on Discogs for $80 VG+/VG+ but I would have preferred to spend that here getting 3 albums

PJ_Soul

eyejacker wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

It is the same principle... but are people actually buying those $300 blue rays now?? I know they're posted, but I don't think they're selling anymore, really. Well, anyway, we shall see! I definitely think prices will go down as the albums are reissued. First pressing will still cost a premium, but nowhere near what they're going for now I don't think. But hey, if they don't, makes no diff to me - I would never get a first pressing if I could get a reissue for a fraction of the price (although this stupid double-LP shit continues, I will pay more for a first pressing if it's not too much).

I hear you! 10C have to realize that everyone who collects will buy the re-issues. Even people who have the originals. I know I did it with the first 3. I then have a gap of 8 albums and Backspacer at the end.
I just bought Yield last night on Discogs for $80 VG+/VG+ but I would have preferred to spend that here getting 3 albums

Yeah, I've got Ten to No Code, then a huge gap until Backspacer. The gap is absolutely killing me. I did just buy Lost Dogs... for $175 plus $50 shipping! :fp: I almost puked when I saw that Lost Dogs was on sale at the poster convention for $75.

Mango

PJ_Soul wrote:

:?: They're not dreaming of re-releasing them... because they've already been re-released. They've got 3 out of the way - a bunch more to go.
I'm with you on the attitude of scarcity. Aside from the prices, I want as many people as possible to have the vinyl.

Yea I know what they have released and re-released! I think we are saying the same thing, wires crossed.

YLed2

I agree with many of the opinons posted here that I don't want to highlight each one and get into. But, I will say that I still do like the super deluxe reissues. I have both Ten and the Vs/Vitalogy SDE reissues. One, not only just because of the reissue of each album on vinyl itself, but because of the boots from the shows from that specific era they include in there on vinyl as well (Drop In The Park show for Ten and Orpheum Theatre show for Vs/Vitalogy). Those two reasons alone make the SDE reissues worth it for me, and also because I plan on collecting them all - but maybe not others. Not to mention, both being included on CD and remastered along with all the other goodies and add-ons included - makes for a very nice set and collection if you are willing to pay the money and collect them.

But like I said, I'm all for reissuing the albums on vinyl by themself for a cheaper price ALONG with the super deluxe reissues - to provide the best inentions of pleasing everyone (never going to happen anyway). Hahahaha, but I also tend to agree with other comments made on here about the scarcity being the piece of the puzzle when it comes to vinyl. All about suppky and demand.

So......I guess I'm okay with whatever. Either way it's not going to ruin my day or how I go about it. I've been content knowing I will collect the reissues as they come as along as I'm willing to pay the money for them because I find it worth it.

Leezestarr313

Are maybe big companies owning the rights?

The Nothingman

They don't have to release the $150 box set... just the vinyls!

eyejacker

YLed2 wrote:

I agree with many of the opinons posted here that I don't want to highlight each one and get into. But, I will say that I still do like the super deluxe reissues. I have both Ten and the Vs/Vitalogy SDE reissues. One, not only just because of the reissue of each album on vinyl itself, but because of the boots from the shows from that specific era they include in there on vinyl as well (Drop In The Park show for Ten and Orpheum Theatre show for Vs/Vitalogy). Those two reasons alone make the SDE reissues worth it for me, and also because I plan on collecting them all - but maybe not others. Not to mention, both being included on CD and remastered along with all the other goodies and add-ons included - makes for a very nice set and collection if you are willing to pay the money and collect them.

But like I said, I'm all for reissuing the albums on vinyl by themself for a cheaper price ALONG with the super deluxe reissues - to provide the best inentions of pleasing everyone (never going to happen anyway). Hahahaha, but I also tend to agree with other comments made on here about the scarcity being the piece of the puzzle when it comes to vinyl. All about suppky and demand.

So......I guess I'm okay with whatever. Either way it's not going to ruin my day or how I go about it. I've been content knowing I will collect the reissues as they come as along as I'm willing to pay the money for them because I find it worth it.

I love my super deluxe editions!! :-)
I dream of LO2L and Benny being the live vinyls alongside some of the albums.
It's probably the only way Benny could be justified as a re-print I think, without the whole PJ collecting world tipping off balance due to bitching - a double vinyl Benny.
As if that will ever happen!!

YLed2

eyejacker wrote:

I love my super deluxe editions!! :-)
I dream of LO2L and Benny being the live vinyls alongside some of the albums.
It's probably the only way Benny could be justified as a re-print I think, without the whole PJ collecting world tipping off balance due to bitching - a double vinyl Benny.
As if that will ever happen!!

Could you imagine a Riot Act super deluxe reissue with the Benny being included in the set? :shock: Drooling now. But you're absolutely right, would probably be the only way Benny could be justified as a reprint, but would never ever happen. The 10c has stood it's ground and the test of time with the PJ collecting world through the years, but I don't think they would be able to withstand the tidal wave of cracks from the peanut gallery on that one.

kramer73

eyejacker wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

It is the same principle... but are people actually buying those $300 blue rays now?? I know they're posted, but I don't think they're selling anymore, really. Well, anyway, we shall see! I definitely think prices will go down as the albums are reissued. First pressing will still cost a premium, but nowhere near what they're going for now I don't think. But hey, if they don't, makes no diff to me - I would never get a first pressing if I could get a reissue for a fraction of the price (although this stupid double-LP shit continues, I will pay more for a first pressing if it's not too much).

I hear you! 10C have to realize that everyone who collects will buy the re-issues. Even people who have the originals. I know I did it with the first 3. I then have a gap of 8 albums and Backspacer at the end.
I just bought Yield last night on Discogs for $80 VG+/VG+ but I would have preferred to spend that here getting 3 albums

It's not up to the 10 Club to re-release albums. They're the fan club.

hrd2imgn

I agree totally. Fuck this remix/remasters stuff only, just re-release the standard version of everything, limit it to 3-4 thousand and everyone is happy.

I think in all of PJ's efforts to give us spoiled ass fan clubbers all the shit we ask for, they have become money grubbing in ways. Sure they offer services and goods and should be reimbursed, and their rates are pretty standard for what they offer. I am just tired of the limited edition shit, ebay overreaction price gouging, and in the end the jackasses who love the band the most pay up the ass for stuff they would love to have. Creating demand by limiting your own goods is a nice tried and true business practice, but I think if the fans are really all you care about, and not the fucking almighty dollar you have railed against for years on your records, then make shit in quantities we can all get (like backspacer) sure put out some colored limited shit, but make the regular stuff easily available for the unlucky people who were not born at the right time.

You made the adjustment on the seating, time to adjust it in your release policy

eyejacker

kramer73 wrote:

eyejacker wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

It is the same principle... but are people actually buying those $300 blue rays now?? I know they're posted, but I don't think they're selling anymore, really. Well, anyway, we shall see! I definitely think prices will go down as the albums are reissued. First pressing will still cost a premium, but nowhere near what they're going for now I don't think. But hey, if they don't, makes no diff to me - I would never get a first pressing if I could get a reissue for a fraction of the price (although this stupid double-LP shit continues, I will pay more for a first pressing if it's not too much).

I hear you! 10C have to realize that everyone who collects will buy the re-issues. Even people who have the originals. I know I did it with the first 3. I then have a gap of 8 albums and Backspacer at the end.
I just bought Yield last night on Discogs for $80 VG+/VG+ but I would have preferred to spend that here getting 3 albums

It's not up to the 10 Club to re-release albums. They're the fan club.

My bad! The band in that case. I hope they have the rights!! :roll:
I wonder who decides that the remaining stock should collect dust in a warehouse. Marketing? Management? 10C? The band?