Unemployment
2009: 7.8%
Now: 8.3% Must be older figures but now its 7.8% again so it tells me things are headed in the right direction because of Obama
Actually.. it's even worse than that.
Those numbers are reversed.
In 2009 it was 8.3% and NOW it's 7.8%.
That's how the right does it. They "accidentally" mix up numbers and make up look like down and good look like bad.
Like how every single time a Republican gets arrested for tax evasion, drunk driving or blowing a policeman in a public washroom, Fox "news" puts a big "D" next to his name.
Thank you Prince, I had a feeling you could help me out with this. I'm not going to LIE I don't know everything but at least I am honest with myself. I can leave it to you to fight the good fight though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did I read on a thread that you are Canadian but live in the states now? Maybe that is why I agree with pretty much everything you say.
It cracks me how some people who label themselves conservative have a problem with Prius (or should I say, Prii?) The Prius is much more conservation oriented than, say, a Ford F250. Conservatives should love the Prius- the best car out there for conserving non-renewable resources. In fact, one of the most (politically) conservative people I know drives a Prius. He's no fool- he knows gas will just keep going up.
no no no prius or prii restrict my ability to rape the earth of resources. it doesnt allow me to guzzle gas and that surely is my divine right as an american. it also doesnt allow me take full advantage of the private ownership of the worlds resources... which is of course is my reason for getting out of bed in the morning. so i wont be driving a prius... stop trying to change me... what are you brian some sort of tree hugging hemp wearing socialist???
Well... well... yes damn it! And when I invent the hempmobile you'll all be laughing out of the other side of your mouths! (manic laughter followed by weeping while hugging a tree)
And don't forget what Uncle Ed used to say: :"Get out of the damn thing now and then and walk!"
i dont own a car or any other sort of vehicle. i walk and take advantage of public transport where ever i can... as for ed.. if he said that and owns a car then i have zero respect for him regarding this issue.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I'm still laughing at usamamasan1 using the word "intolerant."
Classic man, classic.
Hey I see so much intolerance from some of the blues here,
that I think it's funny when they call themselves tolerant.
It's their way or no way... yeah that's tolerant alright :?
i don't tolerate intolerance from the republicans.
anybody who does is just as bad as they are. actually they are worse because they are allowing it to be perpetuated.
Gimme everyone must find things out for themselves, why we are here
interacting in this world.
I trust this and will work to understand everyone not shut them out or down
cause their beliefs don't match mine.
What kind of an example would I be?
I would be behaving exactly like they are. Don't perpetrate more hate.
It's through love and acceptance that people learn.
did you put the mitt siticker over your other stickers of donald trump, rick perry, herman cain, michele bachmann, and rick santorum, all of whom you supported before romney, or did you peel all of them off each time you changed your preferences??
Does anyone actually believe he's got a car? I mean honestly.
Wow what a mean thing to say ... makes you feel better about yourself huh? :fp:
I guess this is expected of you.
Its a process in a campaign, one the Democrats go through as well when it's their turn.
It is basically entertaining the idea of each candidate as the leader of this country.
A process of getting to know them and for those who vote down party lines
Romney may not have been their first choice but might see now it was the
best choice to defeat Obama.
There is no excuse for the $5.5 trillion in new debt over the last four years. Or for the 23 million people struggling for work. Or for the record number of Americans living in poverty. We all know this cat is one and done.
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Did the economic crises occur under Obama or under Bush? It occurred under Bush. Obama has just been left to deal with the mess. But then you know this already, even if you have a problem accepting the truth and prefer instead to indulge in fantasies, and 'facts' gained from Conservative news sources, and wacky Youtube clips.
So It's a good job you have us here to help.
Woot!
This is getting old and all the Democrats can say...
blame it on Bush but
the OP is talking about new debt about more unemployed
about more being forced into poverty.
These are things Obama created... new and more and there is no excuse for that, Obama must own this
just as he owns the positive things that happened under his watch.
Are We Better off Now Than We Were Four Years Ago?
A question has been put forward that has the Obama administration struggling to answer. “Are we better off now than we were four years ago?” What seems like a simple question that is asked of any politician seeking re-election seems to be a stumbling block for President Obama and his campaign. Over the next few months the campaign will try to craft and spin an answer to that question while ignoring the reality. Here are just a few of the facts that should not be overlooked.
National Debt Bush Administration and Wall St. caused this
2009: 10.6 Trillion
Now: 16 Trillion
Food Stamps Bush Administration caused this
2009: 32.2 million people enrolled
Now: 46.2 million people enrolled
Unemployment
2009: 7.8%
Now: 8.3% Must be older figures but now its 7.8% again so it tells me things are headed in the right direction because of Obama
Median Household Income Again Bush Administration and Wall St. caused this
2009: $54,983
Now: $50,964
Gas Prices The POTUS has zero control over this
2009: $1.85
Now: $3.80
I have been reading all of these threads and initially did not want to contribute my opinion since it doesn't really matter anyway but I feel strongly that the American people deserve to know the facts. Bias news organizations are the real problem, regardless of the side they are on that is why I try not to watch American news. If you watch Canadian news you can see the difference for yourself. It is unbiased and does not "drill for fear to make the job simple", it just reports what is really happening.
That is all.
EDIT: Oh and F4F and Usamawatever, I know you sound like children but your opinions make you sound like 90 yr olds. Get with the 21st century and take the racist, homophobic, sexist, red neck thinking to your trailer and keep it to yourselves. I AM DONE now.
There is new debt, more unemployed, more in poverty
under this administration. So much easier to blame it on the previous administration.
I wonder if Mitt gets in, will he just blame it all on Obama not doing enough to help
the country? May be :fp:
Just ask Stacey Dash, an African-American actress who was attacked on Twitter for abandoning her support for Obama and daring to publicly endorse Mitt Romney for president. The actress, who starred in the movie "Clueless" and the cable TV drama "Single Ladies," tweeted: "Vote for Romney. The only choice for your future. Team Romney...Vote Romney."
The liberal Twitteratti went crazy. One Twitter user wrote about Dash, who is also half Mexican-American, "You're an unemployed black woman endorsing Mitt Romney. You're voting against yourself thrice. You poor beautiful idiot." Another chimed in with: "I guess 'Clueless' star Stacey Dash endorsing Mitt Romney shows that she is indeed clueless."
But the really ugly barbs came from fellow African-Americans who tweeted that Dash was a "jigaboo," "traitor," "house n
." You get the picture. Many went further, urging Dash to do everyone a favor and "kill urself."
Or ask Buzz Bissinger, a columnist for The Daily Beast who must have felt as if he was trapped in an episode of "Liberals Gone Wild" after announcing that he had -- after the first presidential debate in Denver -- decided to support Mitt Romney for president.
A self-described "lifelong Democrat," Bissinger wrote in a column after the first presidential debate that he could "no longer back a president who no longer acted like he wanted to be president, who offered a vision for the country as original as those college essays you can buy off the Internet, who in front of 70 million viewers acted like he had 90 minutes to kill before going out to dinner with Michelle for their 20th anniversary."
Just look at the name calling on here from the intolerant. They worried fo sho! there hasn’t been one day during the entire Obama presidency when as many Americans were working as on the day President Bush left office?
At some point, you have to turn from rhetoric, theories, and ideologies to facts.
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Are We Better off Now Than We Were Four Years Ago?
A question has been put forward that has the Obama administration struggling to answer. “Are we better off now than we were four years ago?” What seems like a simple question that is asked of any politician seeking re-election seems to be a stumbling block for President Obama and his campaign. Over the next few months the campaign will try to craft and spin an answer to that question while ignoring the reality. Here are just a few of the facts that should not be overlooked.
National Debt Bush Administration and Wall St. caused this
2009: 10.6 Trillion
Now: 16 Trillion
Food Stamps Bush Administration caused this
2009: 32.2 million people enrolled
Now: 46.2 million people enrolled
Unemployment
2009: 7.8%
Now: 8.3% Must be older figures but now its 7.8% again so it tells me things are headed in the right direction because of Obama
Median Household Income Again Bush Administration and Wall St. caused this
2009: $54,983
Now: $50,964
Gas Prices The POTUS has zero control over this
2009: $1.85
Now: $3.80
I have been reading all of these threads and initially did not want to contribute my opinion since it doesn't really matter anyway but I feel strongly that the American people deserve to know the facts. Bias news organizations are the real problem, regardless of the side they are on that is why I try not to watch American news. If you watch Canadian news you can see the difference for yourself. It is unbiased and does not "drill for fear to make the job simple", it just reports what is really happening.
That is all.
EDIT: Oh and F4F and Usamawatever, I know you sound like children but your opinions make you sound like 90 yr olds. Get with the 21st century and take the racist, homophobic, sexist, red neck thinking to your trailer and keep it to yourselves. I AM DONE now.
There is new debt, more unemployed, more in poverty
under this administration. So much easier to blame it on the previous administration.
I wonder if Mitt gets in, will he just blame it all on Obama not doing enough to help
the country? Probably :fp:
And what's wrong with 90 year olds?
In 2008 I was disgusted with ALL politicians and voted for neither Obama or McCain I voted for Ralph Nader. I said then that a democrat will win the White House easily why because a republican or republicans DID NOT want to deal with or clean up their predecessors mess. Let the Dems try and clean it up and when they fail in 2012 we'll just blame it ALL on them. I was correct in that assessment the place where i was wrong back in 2008 I was predicting that things would be SO BAD in 2012 that THIS country would bring back another Bush....
Jeb Bush.
As it is now though this country from the conservative side doesn't even want to mention the name Bush THAT'S how bad things were back in 2008. In 2008 we had a recession a bad one, is this COUNTRY NOW in the same turrable recession or is it worse under this current administration?
Peace
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
"What kind of an example would I be?
I would be behaving exactly like they are. Don't perpetrate more hate.
It's through love and acceptance that people learn."
But love and acceptance have their limits, right? I mean... people trying to leave their brutal lives for a new chance in the land of the free and the home of the brave are excluded from love and acceptance... right? They're trying to drink from your well.
Here's a practical answer to some of your debt, but one you will disapprove of: tax gasoline more. In Canada... we pay much more for gas than you guys do. It's still cheaper than water, but the higher taxes go to the 'big general pot' that can help pay for healing children. It amounts to a user fee (and environmental fee) really and who's not okay with that?
I know I know... that would have you a little bent out of shape driving your comfy caddy- you know... having to pay an extra dollar per gallon. But from the sounds of things... you're doing just fine. You certainly speak with the tone of someone from privilege.
Have you ever been north of the border and purchased liquor or cigarettes? Really really costly. Taxed heavily. User fees again. Big revenue generators. We manage to still purchase these items though (no cigs for me though!).
Maybe scale back your military operations 'just a tad' too.
Imagine all that extra cash to do good things with.
Wait a minute. I forgot. You are from the school of thought that suggests any extra gas, liquor, and other profits should sit in the corporate offices- not in the hands of the government programs or the people. In which case... forget what I suggested.
There is new debt, more unemployed, more in poverty
under this administration. So much easier to blame it on the previous administration.
I wonder if Mitt gets in, will he just blame it all on Obama not doing enough to help
the country? Probably :fp:
And what's wrong with 90 year olds?
In 2008 I was disgusted with ALL politicians and voted for neither Obama or McCain I voted for Ralph Nader. I said then that a democrat will win the White House easily why because a republican or republicans DID NOT want to deal with or clean up their predecessors mess. Let the Dems try and clean it up and when they fail in 2012 we'll just blame it ALL on them. I was correct in that assessment the place where i was wrong back in 2008 I was predicting that things would be SO BAD in 2012 that THIS country would bring back another Bush....
Jeb Bush.
As it is now though this country from the conservative side doesn't even want to mention the name Bush THAT'S how bad things were back in 2008. In 2008 we had a recession a bad one, is this COUNTRY NOW in the same turrable recession or is it worse under this current administration?
Peace
I think 5.5 trillion more in debt is worse myself.
I think having 50% of our population dependent on some government aid is worse.
I think unemployment is not better and the growth of our economy is steadily worse each year that Obama has been in.
But I like him, just not sure if enough.
Hasn't history shown us we get 8 years of a party in office then it's switch a roo time?
And I get your disgust, mine is in the form of disappointment though.
"What kind of an example would I be?
I would be behaving exactly like they are. Don't perpetrate more hate.
It's through love and acceptance that people learn."
But love and acceptance have their limits, right? I mean... people trying to leave their brutal lives for a new chance in the land of the free and the home of the brave are excluded from love and acceptance... right? They're trying to drink from your well.
Here's a practical answer to some of your debt, but one you will disapprove of: tax gasoline more. In Canada... we pay much more for gas than you guys do. It's still cheaper than water, but the higher taxes go to the 'big general pot' that can help pay for healing children. It amounts to a user fee (and environmental fee) really and who's not okay with that?
I know I know... that would have you a little bent out of shape driving your comfy caddy- you know... having to pay an extra dollar per gallon. But from the sounds of things... you're doing just fine. You certainly speak with the tone of someone from privilege.
Have you ever been north of the border and purchased liquor or cigarettes? Really really costly. Taxed heavily. User fees again. Big revenue generators. We manage to still purchase these items though (no cigs for me though!).
Maybe scale back your military operations 'just a tad' too.
Imagine all that extra cash to do good things with.
Wait a minute. I forgot. You are from the school of thought that suggests any extra gas, liquor, and other profits should sit in the corporate offices- not in the hands of the government programs or the people. In which case... forget what I suggested.
Man you assume so much...
this is really not a good thing. And so incredibly condescending.
Are you assuming I do not love understand and accept my Latino brothers and sisters?
Are you assuming I come from money? That our business of 20 years breaks a profit?
And why the heck would you assume I would not want to pay an extra dollar on gas?
Are you assuming I do not want defense cuts?
You are so off that it is humorous really... must be catchy up there in Canada
it would be nice to speak with sensible people who do not constantly judge others
and assume horrible things about them.
Like I said love and understanding is how people learn.
I can not learn a damn thing from you with this kind of attitude.
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Well I gather then that Romney is your man to lead this country...good for you. In 2004 we had a somewhat wealthy challenger in Kerry (seen him several times on his yacht and sail boat in Nantucket harbour) who appeared to have a chance to beat Bush only to be beaten in a close race. That race seemed preordained as in the decision was already made and Bush was going to win no matter what to finish his 8 years.
This time around it appears to me to be the same with a strong challenge from Romney only to be beaten in a large electoral win with a close popular vote. This race also seems preordained that Obama will win and the candidates already know this somehow.
To me that's the strange world of our American politics/politricks...excuse me.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Wow... some are still talking about the approx 50% of americans getting some sort of government aid when this figure has been completely debunked!
Mis-information seems to stick to some people's minds. Like during a trial...lawyers will say stuff they know will be stricken off the record but the jury will have heard it and lawyers know there is a good chance it will stick in their minds.
Well I gather then that Romney is your man to lead this country...good for you. In 2004 we had a somewhat wealthy challenger in Kerry (seen him several times on his yacht and sail boat in Nantucket harbour) who appeared to have a chance to beat Bush only to be beaten in a close race. That race seemed preordained as in the decision was already made and Bush was going to win no matter what to finish his 8 years.
This time around it appears to me to be the same with a strong challenge from Romney only to be beaten in a large electoral win with a close popular vote. This race also seems preordained that Obama will win and the candidates already know this somehow.
To me that's the strange world of our American politics/politricks...excuse me.
Peace
Oh boy oh boy...
please do not assume that Romney is my man. I like Obama, he is a great figurehead,
actually quite perfect at that, which fits nicely with your theory.
Wow... some are still talking about the approx 50% of americans getting some sort of government aid when this figure has been completely debunked!
Mis-information seems to stick to some people's minds. Like during a trial...lawyers will say stuff they know will be stricken off the record but the jury will have heard it and lawyers know there is a good chance it will stick in their minds.
It's very easy to see. I am so stoked for the next American century! Driving I have had multiple people (yes, of course one was in a Prius) give me the finger just because I have a MITT sticker on my heavy. Love it. They scared, they mad, they intolerant.
“Have you been watching the Obama campaign lately?” the Republican presidential candidate asked the crowd, including motorcycle enthusiasts in town for the annual ‘Biketoberfest’ event. “They have no agenda for the future, no agenda for America, no agenda for a second term”
“It’s a good thing they won’t have a second term,” Romney continued to applause. “We have big ideas, bold ideas, a strong agenda. We are going to get America working again and that’s why you’re going to help elect the two of us.”
Believe in America
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Woot!
too bad he hasn't told anyone what those bold ideas are yet.
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Well I gather then that Romney is your man to lead this country...good for you. In 2004 we had a somewhat wealthy challenger in Kerry (seen him several times on his yacht and sail boat in Nantucket harbour) who appeared to have a chance to beat Bush only to be beaten in a close race. That race seemed preordained as in the decision was already made and Bush was going to win no matter what to finish his 8 years.
This time around it appears to me to be the same with a strong challenge from Romney only to be beaten in a large electoral win with a close popular vote. This race also seems preordained that Obama will win and the candidates already know this somehow.
To me that's the strange world of our American politics/politricks...excuse me.
Peace
Oh boy oh boy...
please do not assume that Romney is my man. I like Obama, he is a great figurehead,
actually quite perfect at that, which fits nicely with your theory.
Instead of *gather* maybe i should have said *appears* Romney will be your man....again good for you. It does fit well with my theory doesn't it.
Maybe after you've made your choice in the voting booth on Nov 6th, would you care to chime in on whom you chose to vote for on that day?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
There is no excuse for the $5.5 trillion in new debt over the last four years. Or for the 23 million people struggling for work. Or for the record number of Americans living in poverty. We all know this cat is one and done.
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Did the economic crises occur under Obama or under Bush? It occurred under Bush. Obama has just been left to deal with the mess. But then you know this already, even if you have a problem accepting the truth and prefer instead to indulge in fantasies, and 'facts' gained from Conservative news sources, and wacky Youtube clips.
So It's a good job you have us here to help.
Woot!
This is getting old and all the Democrats can say...
blame it on Bush but
the OP is talking about new debt about more unemployed
about more being forced into poverty.
These are things Obama created... new and more and there is no excuse for that, Obama must own this
just as he owns the positive things that happened under his watch.
you keep saying you are voting independently, but all you have done is bash a whole group of people, "the blues". why is it that anyone voting for Romney is voting with their knowledge but anyone voting for Obama is voting down party lines? I'd say a good portion of people on both sides vote down party lines. where are you getting this information from to make these claims?
I would say that people voting for a particular party in the states vote down party lines because those party lines fall in line generally with their own personal beliefs, morals, and ideals. one could argue they are just being consistent. voting down party lines just means someone is willing to vote for their party even if it contradicts some of their own beliefs.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
but I agree some like to manipulate others are just honest.
More 'honest' and detailed figures:
"1) In 2011, about 49 percent of the population lived in a household where at least one member received a direct benefit from the federal government.A big chunk of these households are retirees. And about 27 percent households benefited from a means-tested poverty program. A quick breakdown:
–Last year, about 29 percent of households received Medicare benefits and 31.6 percent received Social Security. (Obviously there’s a lot of overlap between those two, since those programs mainly benefit retirees.)
–Meanwhile, about 32 million households, or27.1 percent, benefited from at least one means-tested poverty program. The biggest benefits here were Medicaid (19.5 percent), food stamps (12.7 percent) and subsidized lunches (11.2 percent). Again, there’s some overlap.
–Smaller benefits include public housing (5 percent of households), unemployment (4 percent), and veterans’ compensation (2.6 percent). Only 7 percent of households receive some sort of direct cash assistance, such as the TANF welfare program."
Are you now also denying our elders the benefits they paid for all their lives allowing them to finally have a bit of a break?
Facts and figures. These from 'official' sources. Check what is behind a 'headline'. The charts in this article are very clear and easy to understand. Gives all kinds of breakdowns as to this 'half the population on benefits) malarky.
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i dont own a car or any other sort of vehicle. i walk and take advantage of public transport where ever i can... as for ed.. if he said that and owns a car then i have zero respect for him regarding this issue.
"Uncle Ed" is my nickname for Edward Abbey. Although he did own cars he was referring to people who go to places to see nature from their car. He believed the only way to interact with the nature world was on foot. He also had a saying:
Little girls love ponies, boys love cars and trucks, grown men and women love to walk.
Best yet is someone like you who doesn't own a vehicle at all. You put the rest of us to shame and rightly so.
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There is no excuse for the $5.5 trillion in new debt over the last four years. Or for the 23 million people struggling for work. Or for the record number of Americans living in poverty. We all know this cat is one and done.
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Did the economic crises occur under Obama or under Bush? It occurred under Bush. Obama has just been left to deal with the mess. But then you know this already, even if you have a problem accepting the truth and prefer instead to indulge in fantasies, and 'facts' gained from Conservative news sources, and wacky Youtube clips.
This is getting old and all the Democrats can say...
blame it on Bush but
the OP is talking about new debt about more unemployed
about more being forced into poverty.
These are things Obama created... new and more and there is no excuse for that, Obama must own this
just as he owns the positive things that happened under his watch.
you keep saying you are voting independently, but all you have done is bash a whole group of people, "the blues". why is it that anyone voting for Romney is voting with their knowledge but anyone voting for Obama is voting down party lines? I'd say a good portion of people on both sides vote down party lines. where are you getting this information from to make these claims?
I would say that people voting for a particular party in the states vote down party lines because those party lines fall in line generally with their own personal beliefs, morals, and ideals. one could argue they are just being consistent. voting down party lines just means someone is willing to vote for their party even if it contradicts some of their own beliefs.
You are batting 1000 HFD...ah it's time to go mow the fricking lawn.
peace everybody
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
It's very easy to see. I am so stoked for the next American century! Driving I have had multiple people (yes, of course one was in a Prius) give me the finger just because I have a MITT sticker on my heavy. Love it. They scared, they mad, they intolerant.
“Have you been watching the Obama campaign lately?” the Republican presidential candidate asked the crowd, including motorcycle enthusiasts in town for the annual ‘Biketoberfest’ event. “They have no agenda for the future, no agenda for America, no agenda for a second term”
“It’s a good thing they won’t have a second term,” Romney continued to applause. “We have big ideas, bold ideas, a strong agenda. We are going to get America working again and that’s why you’re going to help elect the two of us.”
Believe in America
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Woot!
I want someone, ANYONE, who thinks the state of the US economy is Obama's direct fault, to break down exactly how the economy got to where it is today. Cause and effect, please. Not just "Obama did with his bailouts and ridiculous spending". Actual reasons of why that spending occurred and why the bailouts happened, if it could have been avoided, and what the alternative could/should have been.
Thank you.
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Well I gather then that Romney is your man to lead this country...good for you. In 2004 we had a somewhat wealthy challenger in Kerry (seen him several times on his yacht and sail boat in Nantucket harbour) who appeared to have a chance to beat Bush only to be beaten in a close race. That race seemed preordained as in the decision was already made and Bush was going to win no matter what to finish his 8 years.
This time around it appears to me to be the same with a strong challenge from Romney only to be beaten in a large electoral win with a close popular vote. This race also seems preordained that Obama will win and the candidates already know this somehow.
To me that's the strange world of our American politics/politricks...excuse me.
Peace
Oh boy oh boy...
please do not assume that Romney is my man. I like Obama, he is a great figurehead,
actually quite perfect at that, which fits nicely with your theory.
Instead of *gather* maybe i should have said *appears* Romney will be your man....again good for you. It does fit well with my theory doesn't it.
Maybe after you've made your choice in the voting booth on Nov 6th, would you care to chime in on whom you chose to vote for on that day?
Peace
yes but the theory makes me very sad
I will share if you will too...
but I agree some like to manipulate others are just honest.
More 'honest' and detailed figures:
"1) In 2011, about 49 percent of the population lived in a household where at least one member received a direct benefit from the federal government.A big chunk of these households are retirees. And about 27 percent households benefited from a means-tested poverty program. A quick breakdown:
–Last year, about 29 percent of households received Medicare benefits and 31.6 percent received Social Security. (Obviously there’s a lot of overlap between those two, since those programs mainly benefit retirees.)
–Meanwhile, about 32 million households, or27.1 percent, benefited from at least one means-tested poverty program. The biggest benefits here were Medicaid (19.5 percent), food stamps (12.7 percent) and subsidized lunches (11.2 percent). Again, there’s some overlap.
–Smaller benefits include public housing (5 percent of households), unemployment (4 percent), and veterans’ compensation (2.6 percent). Only 7 percent of households receive some sort of direct cash assistance, such as the TANF welfare program."
Are you now also denying our elders the benefits they paid for all their lives allowing them to finally have a bit of a break?
Facts and figures. These from 'official' sources. Check what is behind a 'headline'. The charts in this article are very clear and easy to understand. Gives all kinds of breakdowns as to this 'half the population on benefits) malarky.
the 50% is correct then some form of government aid
it matters not who what kind of aid it is still aid
and yes I would rather be working on lowering that for all age groups because as we see
countries go bankrupt
Did the economic crises occur under Obama or under Bush? It occurred under Bush. Obama has just been left to deal with the mess. But then you know this already, even if you have a problem accepting the truth and prefer instead to indulge in fantasies, and 'facts' gained from Conservative news sources, and wacky Youtube clips.
So It's a good job you have us here to help.
Woot!
This is getting old and all the Democrats can say...
blame it on Bush but
the OP is talking about new debt about more unemployed
about more being forced into poverty.
These are things Obama created... new and more and there is no excuse for that, Obama must own this
just as he owns the positive things that happened under his watch.
you keep saying you are voting independently, but all you have done is bash a whole group of people, "the blues". why is it that anyone voting for Romney is voting with their knowledge but anyone voting for Obama is voting down party lines? I'd say a good portion of people on both sides vote down party lines. where are you getting this information from to make these claims?
I would say that people voting for a particular party in the states vote down party lines because those party lines fall in line generally with their own personal beliefs, morals, and ideals. one could argue they are just being consistent. voting down party lines just means someone is willing to vote for their party even if it contradicts some of their own beliefs.
The blues are being bashed really I thought I was part blue :?
perhaps it speaks to how you listen. Oh no never even thought those voting for Obama are only voting down party lines
that is not common sense, you see perhaps it is how you listen.
I never made that claim it is how you interpret my words.
Wow what a mean thing to say ... makes you feel better about yourself huh? :fp:
I guess this is expected of you.
oh, and I'm so glad your COMFORT is more important then the environment to you. :fp:
Did you notice I drive less than 50 miles a week and fill my car up maybe once every three weeks.
But I guess you are one of those who judge others so freely...
you know that only brings you into negative light.
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Thank you Prince, I had a feeling you could help me out with this. I'm not going to LIE
i dont own a car or any other sort of vehicle. i walk and take advantage of public transport where ever i can... as for ed.. if he said that and owns a car then i have zero respect for him regarding this issue.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
interacting in this world.
I trust this and will work to understand everyone not shut them out or down
cause their beliefs don't match mine.
What kind of an example would I be?
I would be behaving exactly like they are. Don't perpetrate more hate.
It's through love and acceptance that people learn.
I guess this is expected of you.
Its a process in a campaign, one the Democrats go through as well when it's their turn.
It is basically entertaining the idea of each candidate as the leader of this country.
A process of getting to know them and for those who vote down party lines
Romney may not have been their first choice but might see now it was the
best choice to defeat Obama.
blame it on Bush but
the OP is talking about new debt about more unemployed
about more being forced into poverty.
These are things Obama created...
new and more and there is no excuse for that, Obama must own this
just as he owns the positive things that happened under his watch.
thanks for the smile and humor you bring
I love woot too I find it incredibly endearing
what size car they drive :fp:
I drive a caddy... not good on gas but oh so comfy.
I drive a maximum of maybe 50 miles a week tops so not much gas-guzzling going on.
Can we try not to judge a person when we do not know their situation,
even if we do ...
leave them to their choices.
When we are constantly judging isn't that being intolerant?
under this administration. So much easier to blame it on the previous administration.
I wonder if Mitt gets in, will he just blame it all on Obama not doing enough to help
the country? May be :fp:
And what's wrong with 90 year olds?
The liberal Twitteratti went crazy. One Twitter user wrote about Dash, who is also half Mexican-American, "You're an unemployed black woman endorsing Mitt Romney. You're voting against yourself thrice. You poor beautiful idiot." Another chimed in with: "I guess 'Clueless' star Stacey Dash endorsing Mitt Romney shows that she is indeed clueless."
But the really ugly barbs came from fellow African-Americans who tweeted that Dash was a "jigaboo," "traitor," "house n
." You get the picture. Many went further, urging Dash to do everyone a favor and "kill urself."
Or ask Buzz Bissinger, a columnist for The Daily Beast who must have felt as if he was trapped in an episode of "Liberals Gone Wild" after announcing that he had -- after the first presidential debate in Denver -- decided to support Mitt Romney for president.
A self-described "lifelong Democrat," Bissinger wrote in a column after the first presidential debate that he could "no longer back a president who no longer acted like he wanted to be president, who offered a vision for the country as original as those college essays you can buy off the Internet, who in front of 70 million viewers acted like he had 90 minutes to kill before going out to dinner with Michelle for their 20th anniversary."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/18/opinion/n ... index.html
Just look at the name calling on here from the intolerant. They worried fo sho! there hasn’t been one day during the entire Obama presidency when as many Americans were working as on the day President Bush left office?
At some point, you have to turn from rhetoric, theories, and ideologies to facts.
Emoticon
In 2008 I was disgusted with ALL politicians and voted for neither Obama or McCain I voted for Ralph Nader. I said then that a democrat will win the White House easily why because a republican or republicans DID NOT want to deal with or clean up their predecessors mess. Let the Dems try and clean it up and when they fail in 2012 we'll just blame it ALL on them. I was correct in that assessment the place where i was wrong back in 2008 I was predicting that things would be SO BAD in 2012 that THIS country would bring back another Bush....
Jeb Bush.
As it is now though this country from the conservative side doesn't even want to mention the name Bush THAT'S how bad things were back in 2008. In 2008 we had a recession a bad one, is this COUNTRY NOW in the same turrable recession or is it worse under this current administration?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
You say:
"What kind of an example would I be?
I would be behaving exactly like they are. Don't perpetrate more hate.
It's through love and acceptance that people learn."
But love and acceptance have their limits, right? I mean... people trying to leave their brutal lives for a new chance in the land of the free and the home of the brave are excluded from love and acceptance... right? They're trying to drink from your well.
Here's a practical answer to some of your debt, but one you will disapprove of: tax gasoline more. In Canada... we pay much more for gas than you guys do. It's still cheaper than water, but the higher taxes go to the 'big general pot' that can help pay for healing children. It amounts to a user fee (and environmental fee) really and who's not okay with that?
I know I know... that would have you a little bent out of shape driving your comfy caddy- you know... having to pay an extra dollar per gallon. But from the sounds of things... you're doing just fine. You certainly speak with the tone of someone from privilege.
Have you ever been north of the border and purchased liquor or cigarettes? Really really costly. Taxed heavily. User fees again. Big revenue generators. We manage to still purchase these items though (no cigs for me though!).
Maybe scale back your military operations 'just a tad' too.
Imagine all that extra cash to do good things with.
Wait a minute. I forgot. You are from the school of thought that suggests any extra gas, liquor, and other profits should sit in the corporate offices- not in the hands of the government programs or the people. In which case... forget what I suggested.
I think having 50% of our population dependent on some government aid is worse.
I think unemployment is not better and the growth of our economy is steadily worse each year that Obama has been in.
But I like him, just not sure if enough.
Hasn't history shown us we get 8 years of a party in office then it's switch a roo time?
And I get your disgust, mine is in the form of disappointment though.
this is really not a good thing. And so incredibly condescending.
Are you assuming I do not love understand and accept my Latino brothers and sisters?
Are you assuming I come from money? That our business of 20 years breaks a profit?
And why the heck would you assume I would not want to pay an extra dollar on gas?
Are you assuming I do not want defense cuts?
You are so off that it is humorous really... must be catchy up there in Canada
it would be nice to speak with sensible people who do not constantly judge others
and assume horrible things about them.
Like I said love and understanding is how people learn.
I can not learn a damn thing from you with this kind of attitude.
This time around it appears to me to be the same with a strong challenge from Romney only to be beaten in a large electoral win with a close popular vote. This race also seems preordained that Obama will win and the candidates already know this somehow.
To me that's the strange world of our American politics/politricks...excuse me.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Mis-information seems to stick to some people's minds. Like during a trial...lawyers will say stuff they know will be stricken off the record but the jury will have heard it and lawyers know there is a good chance it will stick in their minds.
Seems a lot of these kind of 'facts' have stuck.
Manipulation.
That's what I call a 'Woot'!!!
please do not assume that Romney is my man. I like Obama, he is a great figurehead,
actually quite perfect at that, which fits nicely with your theory.
but I agree some like to manipulate others are just honest.
RIGHT AFTER you said this:
oh, and I'm so glad your COMFORT is more important then the environment to you. :fp:
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
too bad he hasn't told anyone what those bold ideas are yet.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Instead of *gather* maybe i should have said *appears* Romney will be your man....again good for you. It does fit well with my theory doesn't it.
Maybe after you've made your choice in the voting booth on Nov 6th, would you care to chime in on whom you chose to vote for on that day?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
you keep saying you are voting independently, but all you have done is bash a whole group of people, "the blues". why is it that anyone voting for Romney is voting with their knowledge but anyone voting for Obama is voting down party lines? I'd say a good portion of people on both sides vote down party lines. where are you getting this information from to make these claims?
I would say that people voting for a particular party in the states vote down party lines because those party lines fall in line generally with their own personal beliefs, morals, and ideals. one could argue they are just being consistent. voting down party lines just means someone is willing to vote for their party even if it contradicts some of their own beliefs.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
More 'honest' and detailed figures:
"1) In 2011, about 49 percent of the population lived in a household where at least one member received a direct benefit from the federal government. A big chunk of these households are retirees. And about 27 percent households benefited from a means-tested poverty program. A quick breakdown:
–Last year, about 29 percent of households received Medicare benefits and 31.6 percent received Social Security. (Obviously there’s a lot of overlap between those two, since those programs mainly benefit retirees.)
–Meanwhile, about 32 million households, or 27.1 percent, benefited from at least one means-tested poverty program. The biggest benefits here were Medicaid (19.5 percent), food stamps (12.7 percent) and subsidized lunches (11.2 percent). Again, there’s some overlap.
–Smaller benefits include public housing (5 percent of households), unemployment (4 percent), and veterans’ compensation (2.6 percent). Only 7 percent of households receive some sort of direct cash assistance, such as the TANF welfare program."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... ix-charts/
Are you now also denying our elders the benefits they paid for all their lives allowing them to finally have a bit of a break?
Facts and figures. These from 'official' sources. Check what is behind a 'headline'. The charts in this article are very clear and easy to understand. Gives all kinds of breakdowns as to this 'half the population on benefits) malarky.
"Uncle Ed" is my nickname for Edward Abbey. Although he did own cars he was referring to people who go to places to see nature from their car. He believed the only way to interact with the nature world was on foot. He also had a saying:
Little girls love ponies, boys love cars and trucks, grown men and women love to walk.
Best yet is someone like you who doesn't own a vehicle at all. You put the rest of us to shame and rightly so.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
You are batting 1000 HFD...ah it's time to go mow the fricking lawn.
peace everybody
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I want someone, ANYONE, who thinks the state of the US economy is Obama's direct fault, to break down exactly how the economy got to where it is today. Cause and effect, please. Not just "Obama did with his bailouts and ridiculous spending". Actual reasons of why that spending occurred and why the bailouts happened, if it could have been avoided, and what the alternative could/should have been.
Thank you.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I will share if you will too...
it matters not who what kind of aid it is still aid
and yes I would rather be working on lowering that for all age groups because as we see
countries go bankrupt
perhaps it speaks to how you listen.
Oh no never even thought those voting for Obama are only voting down party lines
that is not common sense, you see perhaps it is how you listen.
I never made that claim it is how you interpret my words.
But I guess you are one of those who judge others so freely...
you know that only brings you into negative light.