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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    fear4freedom wrote:
    _ wrote:
    I think Romney's mixing his numbers. He said he'll lower taxes for lower-income people but not for higher-income people, who will still be paying 60%. It's dollars in one part of the comparison & % in the other. You can't compare the two. If the higher-income people still pay 60%, the lower-income people will still pay 40%. If the proportions remain the same & the lower-income people pay less in $, the the higher-income people will necessarily pay more in $ - so that's a contradiction.


    Middle class pays %35 and lower class pays about %5

    After itemized deductions and factoring in graduated tax rates, most of the middle class is not paying the maximum tax rate of 35%. Probably more like a 20% - 25% effective rate. The middle class has a wide group of income though.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    _ wrote:
    I think Romney's mixing his numbers. He said he'll lower taxes for lower-income people but not for higher-income people, who will still be paying 60%. It's dollars in one part of the comparison & % in the other. You can't compare the two. If the higher-income people still pay 60%, the lower-income people will still pay 40%. If the proportions remain the same & the lower-income people pay less in $, the the higher-income people will necessarily pay more in $ - so that's a contradiction.


    Middle class pays %35 and lower class pays about %5

    After itemized deductions and factoring in graduated tax rates, most of the middle class is not paying the maximum tax rate of 35%. Probably more like a 20% - 25% effective rate. The middle class has a wide group of income though.

    Wait - are y'all talking about % of income for each class or % of total taxes collected from each class? I was talking about the latter. I'm confused now. (Or was I confused before?)
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    romney did not clarify if he was for equal pay for women... he had a chance to do it on the record, but he didn't...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    everybody in the US needs to watch this...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/1 ... 72313.html
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • RFTC
    RFTC Posts: 723
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    romney did not clarify if he was for equal pay for women... he had a chance to do it on the record, but he didn't...

    what a bumbling twit on that one, he's got 'binders of women' but not even a semblance of an answer for the young lady.

    that and the candy crowley live fact check/beatdown was pure gold.

    if krauthammer on faux news is scoring this a tko for obama, you know it was closer to a knockout for rest of the free world.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    _ wrote:
    Wait - are y'all talking about % of income for each class or % of total taxes collected from each class? I was talking about the latter. I'm confused now. (Or was I confused before?)

    I was talking effective tax rate versus % of taxes collected by the group. Sorry, my bad.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    RFTC wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    romney did not clarify if he was for equal pay for women... he had a chance to do it on the record, but he didn't...

    what a bumbling twit on that one, he's got 'binders of women' but not even a semblance of an answer for the young lady.

    that and the candy crowley live fact check/beatdown was pure gold.

    if krauthammer on faux news is scoring this a tko for obama, you know it was closer to a knockout for rest of the free world.
    krauthammer called it a tko for obama??

    that is crazy...
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    everybody in the US needs to watch this...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/1 ... tt-romney- libya_n_1972313.html

    They were both wrong....and Candy was so wrong! She was not to take sides. Another bias moderator. How about get someone that is not a journalist for these debates. Like a high school principle or a judge maybe.
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  • RFTC
    RFTC Posts: 723
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    RFTC wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    romney did not clarify if he was for equal pay for women... he had a chance to do it on the record, but he didn't...

    what a bumbling twit on that one, he's got 'binders of women' but not even a semblance of an answer for the young lady.

    that and the candy crowley live fact check/beatdown was pure gold.

    if krauthammer on faux news is scoring this a tko for obama, you know it was closer to a knockout for rest of the free world.
    krauthammer called it a tko for obama??

    that is crazy...

    he said to paraphrase, obama was better answering the smaller questions and being more direct, romney was better at talking about the big stuff, and was not as fluid. krauthammer spews obama hate, i listened for about 5 min thinking, yep-he knows what went down tonight...
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Mr. President have you looked at your pension? Chinese investment? :)
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    everybody in the US needs to watch this...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/1 ... tt-romney- libya_n_1972313.html

    They were both wrong....and Candy was so wrong! She was not to take sides. Another bias moderator. How about get someone that is not a journalist for these debates. Like a high school principle or a judge maybe.
    romney was dead wrong. fact check it. read the transcript of the 9/12 remarks from the rose garden.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    everybody in the US needs to watch this...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/1 ... tt-romney- libya_n_1972313.html

    They were both wrong....and Candy was so wrong! She was not to take sides. Another bias moderator. How about get someone that is not a journalist for these debates. Like a high school principle or a judge maybe.
    romney was dead wrong. fact check it. read the transcript of the 9/12 remarks from the rose garden.
    Read it watched it. He did say terror but was not calling the Benghazi tragedy a terrorist attack. He went on many shows saying he did not know if it was a terror attack.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    everybody in the US needs to watch this...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/1 ... tt-romney- libya_n_1972313.html

    They were both wrong....and Candy was so wrong! She was not to take sides. Another bias moderator. How about get someone that is not a journalist for these debates. Like a high school principle or a judge maybe.
    romney was dead wrong. fact check it. read the transcript of the 9/12 remarks from the rose garden.

    The moderator was doing fine till she took sides...
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    ROMNEY DID NOT LOSE....AND OBAMA DID NOT WIN....HOWEVER I THINK PEOPLE ARE BIASED IN THE WAY THEY RECIEVE AND THINK THE MESSAGES THAT ARE SPOKEN. THEY CALL EACH OTHER LIARS AND SO FAR I HAVE BEEN FINDING OUT THAT OBAMA DOES LIE AND ROMNEY DOES LIE, SOMETIMES THEY KNOW IT AND SOMETIMES THEY DONT. I THINK ROMNEY IS WINNING OVERALL....AND HAMMERING HOME THE MESSAGE .....CAUSE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING....AND ITS BEEN A LONG 4 YEARS.

    ROMNEY PLAYS ON FACTS.....OBAMA PLAYS ON YOUR EMOTIONS
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    everybody in the US needs to watch this...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/1 ... tt-romney- libya_n_1972313.html

    They were both wrong....and Candy was so wrong! She was not to take sides. Another bias moderator. How about get someone that is not a journalist for these debates. Like a high school principle or a judge maybe.
    romney was dead wrong. fact check it. read the transcript of the 9/12 remarks from the rose garden.

    Yeah, it's pretty clear Mitt missed on this one.

    It'll be interesting to see where the polls go after this. Right now it's looking like a dead heat.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    fear4freedom wrote:
    ROMNEY DID NOT LOSE....AND OBAMA DID NOT WIN....HOWEVER I THINK PEOPLE ARE BIASED IN THE WAY THEY RECIEVE AND THINK THE MESSAGES THAT ARE SPOKEN. THEY CALL EACH OTHER LIARS AND SO FAR I HAVE BEEN FINDING OUT THAT OBAMA DOES LIE AND ROMNEY DOES LIE, SOMETIMES THEY KNOW IT AND SOMETIMES THEY DONT. I THINK ROMNEY IS WINNING OVERALL....AND HAMMERING HOME THE MESSAGE .....CAUSE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING....AND ITS BEEN A LONG 4 YEARS.

    ROMNEY PLAYS ON FACTS.....OBAMA PLAYS ON YOUR EMOTIONS

    I can't here you through all that YELLING.
  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    romney did not clarify if he was for equal pay for women... he had a chance to do it on the record, but he didn't...

    well he did talk about his binders of women...apparently his only concern is that her ass be home in time to have the man's dinner on the table ;)
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  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    that was an anti-lubing
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    fear4freedom wrote:
    ROMNEY DID NOT LOSE....AND OBAMA DID NOT WIN....HOWEVER I THINK PEOPLE ARE BIASED IN THE WAY THEY RECIEVE AND THINK THE MESSAGES THAT ARE SPOKEN. THEY CALL EACH OTHER LIARS AND SO FAR I HAVE BEEN FINDING OUT THAT OBAMA DOES LIE AND ROMNEY DOES LIE, SOMETIMES THEY KNOW IT AND SOMETIMES THEY DONT. I THINK ROMNEY IS WINNING OVERALL....AND HAMMERING HOME THE MESSAGE .....CAUSE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING....AND ITS BEEN A LONG 4 YEARS.

    ROMNEY PLAYS ON FACTS.....OBAMA PLAYS ON YOUR EMOTIONS
    facts like obama took 14 days to call what happened in libya a terrorist attack? :roll:

    facts like romney did not say he called arizona's controversial immigration law a "model for the country" when his advisor wrote that law? :roll:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    prism wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    romney did not clarify if he was for equal pay for women... he had a chance to do it on the record, but he didn't...

    well he did talk about his binders of women...apparently his only concern is that her ass be home in time to have the man's dinner on the table ;)
    can you believe he actually said that??? i thought he said be home in time to have the kid's food on the table, but i might be wrong. at any rate, since there is no "gasface" emoticon it is going to have to get this one..

    :fp:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."

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