I think Romney's mixing his numbers. He said he'll lower taxes for lower-income people but not for higher-income people, who will still be paying 60%. It's dollars in one part of the comparison & % in the other. You can't compare the two. If the higher-income people still pay 60%, the lower-income people will still pay 40%. If the proportions remain the same & the lower-income people pay less in $, the the higher-income people will necessarily pay more in $ - so that's a contradiction.
Middle class pays %35 and lower class pays about %5
After itemized deductions and factoring in graduated tax rates, most of the middle class is not paying the maximum tax rate of 35%. Probably more like a 20% - 25% effective rate. The middle class has a wide group of income though.
I think Romney's mixing his numbers. He said he'll lower taxes for lower-income people but not for higher-income people, who will still be paying 60%. It's dollars in one part of the comparison & % in the other. You can't compare the two. If the higher-income people still pay 60%, the lower-income people will still pay 40%. If the proportions remain the same & the lower-income people pay less in $, the the higher-income people will necessarily pay more in $ - so that's a contradiction.
Middle class pays %35 and lower class pays about %5
After itemized deductions and factoring in graduated tax rates, most of the middle class is not paying the maximum tax rate of 35%. Probably more like a 20% - 25% effective rate. The middle class has a wide group of income though.
Wait - are y'all talking about % of income for each class or % of total taxes collected from each class? I was talking about the latter. I'm confused now. (Or was I confused before?)
romney did not clarify if he was for equal pay for women... he had a chance to do it on the record, but he didn't...
what a bumbling twit on that one, he's got 'binders of women' but not even a semblance of an answer for the young lady.
that and the candy crowley live fact check/beatdown was pure gold.
if krauthammer on faux news is scoring this a tko for obama, you know it was closer to a knockout for rest of the free world.
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Wait - are y'all talking about % of income for each class or % of total taxes collected from each class? I was talking about the latter. I'm confused now. (Or was I confused before?)
I was talking effective tax rate versus % of taxes collected by the group. Sorry, my bad.
They were both wrong....and Candy was so wrong! She was not to take sides. Another bias moderator. How about get someone that is not a journalist for these debates. Like a high school principle or a judge maybe.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
romney did not clarify if he was for equal pay for women... he had a chance to do it on the record, but he didn't...
what a bumbling twit on that one, he's got 'binders of women' but not even a semblance of an answer for the young lady.
that and the candy crowley live fact check/beatdown was pure gold.
if krauthammer on faux news is scoring this a tko for obama, you know it was closer to a knockout for rest of the free world.
krauthammer called it a tko for obama??
that is crazy...
he said to paraphrase, obama was better answering the smaller questions and being more direct, romney was better at talking about the big stuff, and was not as fluid. krauthammer spews obama hate, i listened for about 5 min thinking, yep-he knows what went down tonight...
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Mr. President have you looked at your pension? Chinese investment?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
They were both wrong....and Candy was so wrong! She was not to take sides. Another bias moderator. How about get someone that is not a journalist for these debates. Like a high school principle or a judge maybe.
romney was dead wrong. fact check it. read the transcript of the 9/12 remarks from the rose garden.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
They were both wrong....and Candy was so wrong! She was not to take sides. Another bias moderator. How about get someone that is not a journalist for these debates. Like a high school principle or a judge maybe.
romney was dead wrong. fact check it. read the transcript of the 9/12 remarks from the rose garden.
Read it watched it. He did say terror but was not calling the Benghazi tragedy a terrorist attack. He went on many shows saying he did not know if it was a terror attack.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
They were both wrong....and Candy was so wrong! She was not to take sides. Another bias moderator. How about get someone that is not a journalist for these debates. Like a high school principle or a judge maybe.
romney was dead wrong. fact check it. read the transcript of the 9/12 remarks from the rose garden.
The moderator was doing fine till she took sides...
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
ROMNEY DID NOT LOSE....AND OBAMA DID NOT WIN....HOWEVER I THINK PEOPLE ARE BIASED IN THE WAY THEY RECIEVE AND THINK THE MESSAGES THAT ARE SPOKEN. THEY CALL EACH OTHER LIARS AND SO FAR I HAVE BEEN FINDING OUT THAT OBAMA DOES LIE AND ROMNEY DOES LIE, SOMETIMES THEY KNOW IT AND SOMETIMES THEY DONT. I THINK ROMNEY IS WINNING OVERALL....AND HAMMERING HOME THE MESSAGE .....CAUSE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING....AND ITS BEEN A LONG 4 YEARS.
ROMNEY PLAYS ON FACTS.....OBAMA PLAYS ON YOUR EMOTIONS
Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
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They were both wrong....and Candy was so wrong! She was not to take sides. Another bias moderator. How about get someone that is not a journalist for these debates. Like a high school principle or a judge maybe.
romney was dead wrong. fact check it. read the transcript of the 9/12 remarks from the rose garden.
Yeah, it's pretty clear Mitt missed on this one.
It'll be interesting to see where the polls go after this. Right now it's looking like a dead heat.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
ROMNEY DID NOT LOSE....AND OBAMA DID NOT WIN....HOWEVER I THINK PEOPLE ARE BIASED IN THE WAY THEY RECIEVE AND THINK THE MESSAGES THAT ARE SPOKEN. THEY CALL EACH OTHER LIARS AND SO FAR I HAVE BEEN FINDING OUT THAT OBAMA DOES LIE AND ROMNEY DOES LIE, SOMETIMES THEY KNOW IT AND SOMETIMES THEY DONT. I THINK ROMNEY IS WINNING OVERALL....AND HAMMERING HOME THE MESSAGE .....CAUSE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING....AND ITS BEEN A LONG 4 YEARS.
ROMNEY PLAYS ON FACTS.....OBAMA PLAYS ON YOUR EMOTIONS
ROMNEY DID NOT LOSE....AND OBAMA DID NOT WIN....HOWEVER I THINK PEOPLE ARE BIASED IN THE WAY THEY RECIEVE AND THINK THE MESSAGES THAT ARE SPOKEN. THEY CALL EACH OTHER LIARS AND SO FAR I HAVE BEEN FINDING OUT THAT OBAMA DOES LIE AND ROMNEY DOES LIE, SOMETIMES THEY KNOW IT AND SOMETIMES THEY DONT. I THINK ROMNEY IS WINNING OVERALL....AND HAMMERING HOME THE MESSAGE .....CAUSE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING....AND ITS BEEN A LONG 4 YEARS.
ROMNEY PLAYS ON FACTS.....OBAMA PLAYS ON YOUR EMOTIONS
facts like obama took 14 days to call what happened in libya a terrorist attack? :roll:
facts like romney did not say he called arizona's controversial immigration law a "model for the country" when his advisor wrote that law? :roll:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
romney did not clarify if he was for equal pay for women... he had a chance to do it on the record, but he didn't...
well he did talk about his binders of women...apparently his only concern is that her ass be home in time to have the man's dinner on the table
can you believe he actually said that??? i thought he said be home in time to have the kid's food on the table, but i might be wrong. at any rate, since there is no "gasface" emoticon it is going to have to get this one..
:fp:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Facts & Romney", that's gold Jerry, GOLD!, all caps for our shouting friend.
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i have only heard about that from people who are into hetero and lesbian S&M...
i those circles they are called "ropes"...
prince, you are an authority on sex, you got any knowlege on this??
The first time I had to direct a straight scene, I was just fine until the woman got off her kit. For no reason I blurted out "wow... that's what those look like. OK. Uh... yeah. that's smaller than I thought they were."
I was very used to working with men... even straight men in scenes together I could get through and nothing would phase me. and trust me, on an adult movie set with two men... things can occasionally get a bit... out of hand.
I tell you this story because I want to show Mitt Romney some compassion and say that I too have lost my shit and said something really stupid when suddenly there are women in a place where I'm not used to seeing them. For me, it's naked in my viewfinder. For him, apparently, it's out from behind the stove.
Did you catch the part where he made the comment about how women want flexible schedules so they can get home and cook dinner? Or how he seemed to blame gun violence on single parents?
i have only heard about that from people who are into hetero and lesbian S&M...
i those circles they are called "ropes"...
prince, you are an authority on sex, you got any knowlege on this??
The first time I had to direct a straight scene, I was just fine until the woman got off her kit. For no reason I blurted out "wow... that's what those look like. OK. Uh... yeah. that's smaller than I thought they were."
I was very used to working with men... even straight men in scenes together I could get through and nothing would phase me. and trust me, on an adult movie set with two men... things can occasionally get a bit... out of hand.
I tell you this story because I want to show Mitt Romney some compassion and say that I too have lost my shit and said something really stupid when suddenly there are women in a place where I'm not used to seeing them. For me, it's naked in my viewfinder. For him, apparently, it's out from behind the stove.
Did you catch the part where he made the comment about how women want flexible schedules so they can get home and cook dinner? Or how he seemed to blame gun violence on single parents?
lol nice. i can imagine you saying that haha..
yeah i caught that. it is amazing how he can simplify such a multifacted problem into just 2 causes.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
romney did not clarify if he was for equal pay for women... he had a chance to do it on the record, but he didn't...
well he did talk about his binders of women...apparently his only concern is that her ass be home in time to have the man's dinner on the table
can you believe he actually said that??? i thought he said be home in time to have the kid's food on the table, but i might be wrong. at any rate, since there is no "gasface" emoticon it is going to have to get this one..
:fp:
well maybe romney will allow kids have some scraps from the servants table
i always made sure my kids were fed a good dinner when they got home from shooting up the neighborhood
romney did not clarify if he was for equal pay for women... he had a chance to do it on the record, but he didn't...
well he did talk about his binders of women...apparently his only concern is that her ass be home in time to have the man's dinner on the table
can you believe he actually said that??? i thought he said be home in time to have the kid's food on the table, but i might be wrong. at any rate, since there is no "gasface" emoticon it is going to have to get this one..
:fp:
Holy fuck! I missed the food on the table bit entirely. That's crazy.
I'm desperately trying to finish an edit job before I head back into production tomorrow so I'll be as brief as I can.
While I'm sure Republicans are all blithering on about how "Romney brought a plan" and "Obama was light on facts" and all those other silly sound bytes, what struck me the most was how Mitt Romney sound-bit himself into a bunch of corners.
I could list a bunch. He was a total asshole. It wasn't laughing, it wasn't interrupting and it wasn't even "Candy... Candy... Candy...."
But there were a few death blows.
The part where he got fact-checked live by the moderator was one but MORE damaging was the look on his face. It's the same look when the waiter talks back to him. He's not used to being told he's wrong to his face. By people he thinks are his lessers.
Then of course after starting out with his vague "I know how to create jobs and I'll create 12 Million and I know how to do this" without any specifics at all... he very angrily spat "Government cannot create jobs! Government cannot create jobs!"
It was like every single bullshit talking point he memorized all came flowing out at once.
But the president saved the best for last... not just bringing up the 47% line but bashing him over the head with it.
Does that mean the president "won?"
Who knows... I can tell you that democrats are a lot more fired up than ever, now. Seeing someone call out Mitt Romney on his bullshit was great. That it was the president... THAT was even better.
romney did not clarify if he was for equal pay for women... he had a chance to do it on the record, but he didn't...
well he did talk about his binders of women...apparently his only concern is that her ass be home in time to have the man's dinner on the table
can you believe he actually said that??? i thought he said be home in time to have the kid's food on the table, but i might be wrong. at any rate, since there is no "gasface" emoticon it is going to have to get this one..
:fp:
Do any of you have kids. What is wrong with being home with the kids. Women know how hard it is to get off from their job in time to pick up kids from school or daycare, fix dinner, do home work, give baths, maybe get some house cleaning done before bed. Then get to bed at a decent hour just to get the kids up and ready, feed the kids, get to work on time and start all over again. It's very exhausting. I know men do these things also and they deserve the same rights, but it usually falls on the woman about 90 percent of the time. Being we have such a high percentage of fathers not even living in the home. Another reason parents are not involved at the schools is they don't have the time. Employers don't always care if you have to leave to take care of the kids.
The worst part about is for me was the homework. Helping with home work when I was mentally and physicality exhausted sucked. My kids are grown now but I had to pick up my granddaughter from school (after a nine hour day at work) because her parents could not get off on time. I did the dinner, bath and home work. The amount of homework 2nd 3rd and 4th graders have is over whelming. The days she did not have homework I think I was happier about it than she was.
I ask what is wrong with taking this in to consideration when jobs are discussed? Kids deserve to have there parents in there lives they deserve the supervision they need (especially teenagers). Parent should not have to rely on teachers or sitters. I feel this is why the kids today doing shit WE would not even dream of doing today.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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After itemized deductions and factoring in graduated tax rates, most of the middle class is not paying the maximum tax rate of 35%. Probably more like a 20% - 25% effective rate. The middle class has a wide group of income though.
Wait - are y'all talking about % of income for each class or % of total taxes collected from each class? I was talking about the latter. I'm confused now. (Or was I confused before?)
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
what a bumbling twit on that one, he's got 'binders of women' but not even a semblance of an answer for the young lady.
that and the candy crowley live fact check/beatdown was pure gold.
if krauthammer on faux news is scoring this a tko for obama, you know it was closer to a knockout for rest of the free world.
MGM Grand - Jul 6, 2006
Cox Arena - Jul 7, 2006
New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival - May 1, 2010
Alpine Valley Music Theater - Sep 3-4 2011
Made In America, Philly - Sep 2, 2012
EV, Houston - Nov 12-13, 2012
Dallas-November 2013
OKC-November 2013
ACL 2-October 2014
Fenway Night 1, August 2016
Wrigley, Night 1 August 2018
Fort Worth, Night 1 September 2023
Fort Worth, Night 2 September 2023
Austin, Night 1 September 2023
Austin, Night 2 September 2023
I was talking effective tax rate versus % of taxes collected by the group. Sorry, my bad.
that is crazy...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
They were both wrong....and Candy was so wrong! She was not to take sides. Another bias moderator. How about get someone that is not a journalist for these debates. Like a high school principle or a judge maybe.
he said to paraphrase, obama was better answering the smaller questions and being more direct, romney was better at talking about the big stuff, and was not as fluid. krauthammer spews obama hate, i listened for about 5 min thinking, yep-he knows what went down tonight...
MGM Grand - Jul 6, 2006
Cox Arena - Jul 7, 2006
New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival - May 1, 2010
Alpine Valley Music Theater - Sep 3-4 2011
Made In America, Philly - Sep 2, 2012
EV, Houston - Nov 12-13, 2012
Dallas-November 2013
OKC-November 2013
ACL 2-October 2014
Fenway Night 1, August 2016
Wrigley, Night 1 August 2018
Fort Worth, Night 1 September 2023
Fort Worth, Night 2 September 2023
Austin, Night 1 September 2023
Austin, Night 2 September 2023
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The moderator was doing fine till she took sides...
ROMNEY PLAYS ON FACTS.....OBAMA PLAYS ON YOUR EMOTIONS
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
Yeah, it's pretty clear Mitt missed on this one.
It'll be interesting to see where the polls go after this. Right now it's looking like a dead heat.
I can't here you through all that YELLING.
well he did talk about his binders of women...apparently his only concern is that her ass be home in time to have the man's dinner on the table
angels share laughter
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
facts like romney did not say he called arizona's controversial immigration law a "model for the country" when his advisor wrote that law? :roll:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
:fp:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i have only heard about that from people who are into hetero and lesbian S&M...
in those circles they are called "ropes"...
prince, you are an authority on sex, you got any knowlege on this??
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
MGM Grand - Jul 6, 2006
Cox Arena - Jul 7, 2006
New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival - May 1, 2010
Alpine Valley Music Theater - Sep 3-4 2011
Made In America, Philly - Sep 2, 2012
EV, Houston - Nov 12-13, 2012
Dallas-November 2013
OKC-November 2013
ACL 2-October 2014
Fenway Night 1, August 2016
Wrigley, Night 1 August 2018
Fort Worth, Night 1 September 2023
Fort Worth, Night 2 September 2023
Austin, Night 1 September 2023
Austin, Night 2 September 2023
The first time I had to direct a straight scene, I was just fine until the woman got off her kit. For no reason I blurted out "wow... that's what those look like. OK. Uh... yeah. that's smaller than I thought they were."
I was very used to working with men... even straight men in scenes together I could get through and nothing would phase me. and trust me, on an adult movie set with two men... things can occasionally get a bit... out of hand.
I tell you this story because I want to show Mitt Romney some compassion and say that I too have lost my shit and said something really stupid when suddenly there are women in a place where I'm not used to seeing them. For me, it's naked in my viewfinder. For him, apparently, it's out from behind the stove.
Did you catch the part where he made the comment about how women want flexible schedules so they can get home and cook dinner? Or how he seemed to blame gun violence on single parents?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
yeah i caught that. it is amazing how he can simplify such a multifacted problem into just 2 causes.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
well maybe romney will allow kids have some scraps from the servants table
i always made sure my kids were fed a good dinner when they got home from shooting up the neighborhood
angels share laughter
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
His voting record clarifies it enough for me.
Holy fuck! I missed the food on the table bit entirely. That's crazy.
While I'm sure Republicans are all blithering on about how "Romney brought a plan" and "Obama was light on facts" and all those other silly sound bytes, what struck me the most was how Mitt Romney sound-bit himself into a bunch of corners.
I could list a bunch. He was a total asshole. It wasn't laughing, it wasn't interrupting and it wasn't even "Candy... Candy... Candy...."
But there were a few death blows.
The part where he got fact-checked live by the moderator was one but MORE damaging was the look on his face. It's the same look when the waiter talks back to him. He's not used to being told he's wrong to his face. By people he thinks are his lessers.
Then of course after starting out with his vague "I know how to create jobs and I'll create 12 Million and I know how to do this" without any specifics at all... he very angrily spat "Government cannot create jobs! Government cannot create jobs!"
It was like every single bullshit talking point he memorized all came flowing out at once.
But the president saved the best for last... not just bringing up the 47% line but bashing him over the head with it.
Does that mean the president "won?"
Who knows... I can tell you that democrats are a lot more fired up than ever, now. Seeing someone call out Mitt Romney on his bullshit was great. That it was the president... THAT was even better.
Do any of you have kids. What is wrong with being home with the kids. Women know how hard it is to get off from their job in time to pick up kids from school or daycare, fix dinner, do home work, give baths, maybe get some house cleaning done before bed. Then get to bed at a decent hour just to get the kids up and ready, feed the kids, get to work on time and start all over again. It's very exhausting. I know men do these things also and they deserve the same rights, but it usually falls on the woman about 90 percent of the time. Being we have such a high percentage of fathers not even living in the home. Another reason parents are not involved at the schools is they don't have the time. Employers don't always care if you have to leave to take care of the kids.
The worst part about is for me was the homework. Helping with home work when I was mentally and physicality exhausted sucked. My kids are grown now but I had to pick up my granddaughter from school (after a nine hour day at work) because her parents could not get off on time. I did the dinner, bath and home work. The amount of homework 2nd 3rd and 4th graders have is over whelming. The days she did not have homework I think I was happier about it than she was.
I ask what is wrong with taking this in to consideration when jobs are discussed? Kids deserve to have there parents in there lives they deserve the supervision they need (especially teenagers). Parent should not have to rely on teachers or sitters. I feel this is why the kids today doing shit WE would not even dream of doing today.