Santos: Does 'same video content' mean that it's the same sub-par transfer to Blu-Ray that it was last time around?
Seriously? Why the need to be rude?
I'm sorry, on2legs, but the silence from all parties involved with this project is insulting as it is. Pixelation is not a product of circa-1993 analog video, rather the conversion processes involved in getting the source content onto a digital disc, and it is present on numerous portions of the film (especially, as mentioned, in the bonus discs). In addition, this pixelation is also visible on footage that seems to have been shot during the European tour where Imagine in Cornice's material was from. There was no pixelation observable in Imagine in Cornice, but there is in PJ20.
A large corporation made a forum for its customers, hired administrators to monitor said forum, made a faulty product, and (my guess is) instructed them to remain silent on the customer complaints when they received them. I love this band, I appreciate the fact that the Ten Club has a small number of personnel on board and that it is very much a 'family entity', but these facts should not leave them unaccountable for when things go wrong - especially when their customers are paying upwards of $70 for a three-disc video. Hell, even an apology and note that unfortunately, at this point in production that they are incapable of resolving the issue, would have gone a long way.
There was an obvious transfer issue. It is very apparent in the Bushleaguer video, (which i was at, so ofcourse its the one screwed up). There is macroblocking occuring and that has nothing to do with the source material.
I am very happy for the people who are able to get it now. It didnt make sense that it was limited in the first place.
I am however upset that I paid more for it.
I will be realllllllllllly fucking upset if the new discs have better transfers than the ones we first adopters received. If so anyone who ordered the original run should recieve the new discs for free so we can watch Bushleaguer, etc properly. That would be fair.
might have to get this. i like the prices alot more than the original release
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Does anyone know if the DVD suffers from the same pixalation problems that the Blu Ray does?
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Santos: Does 'same video content' mean that it's the same sub-par transfer to Blu-Ray that it was last time around?
Seriously? Why the need to be rude?
I'm sorry, on2legs, but the silence from all parties involved with this project is insulting as it is. Pixelation is not a product of circa-1993 analog video, rather the conversion processes involved in getting the source content onto a digital disc, and it is present on numerous portions of the film (especially, as mentioned, in the bonus discs). In addition, this pixelation is also visible on footage that seems to have been shot during the European tour where Imagine in Cornice's material was from. There was no pixelation observable in Imagine in Cornice, but there is in PJ20.
A large corporation made a forum for its customers, hired administrators to monitor said forum, made a faulty product, and (my guess is) instructed them to remain silent on the customer complaints when they received them. I love this band, I appreciate the fact that the Ten Club has a small number of personnel on board and that it is very much a 'family entity', but these facts should not leave them unaccountable for when things go wrong - especially when their customers are paying upwards of $70 for a three-disc video. Hell, even an apology and note that unfortunately, at this point in production that they are incapable of resolving the issue, would have gone a long way.
With all due respect to you, you are not allowed to have a negative opinion against any one associated to the 10c or (specifically) Pearl Jam...
If anything you say is construed as a negative you are obviously not 'listening to the music" or you need to "lighten up on them,they are human".
As a customer (per the majority of this room) you are not entitled to point out any negatives.
So shut up, keep your opinions to yourself (no matter if you are right or wrong) and when all else fails remember.... its about the music and not about anything else.
Thank you, tboz51 really starting to assimilate.
"Honesty will always be construed as negative to a dumbass"
:-)
I'm sorry, on2legs, but the silence from all parties involved with this project is insulting as it is. Pixelation is not a product of circa-1993 analog video, rather the conversion processes involved in getting the source content onto a digital disc, and it is present on numerous portions of the film (especially, as mentioned, in the bonus discs). In addition, this pixelation is also visible on footage that seems to have been shot during the European tour where Imagine in Cornice's material was from. There was no pixelation observable in Imagine in Cornice, but there is in PJ20.
A large corporation made a forum for its customers, hired administrators to monitor said forum, made a faulty product, and (my guess is) instructed them to remain silent on the customer complaints when they received them. I love this band, I appreciate the fact that the Ten Club has a small number of personnel on board and that it is very much a 'family entity', but these facts should not leave them unaccountable for when things go wrong - especially when their customers are paying upwards of $70 for a three-disc video. Hell, even an apology and note that unfortunately, at this point in production that they are incapable of resolving the issue, would have gone a long way.
With all due respect to you, you are not allowed to have a negative opinion against any one associated to the 10c or (specifically) Pearl Jam...
If anything you say is construed as a negative you are obviously not 'listening to the music" or you need to "lighten up on them,they are human".
As a customer (per the majority of this room) you are not entitled to point out any negatives.
So shut up, keep your opinions to yourself (no matter if you are right or wrong) and when all else fails remember.... its about the music and not about anything else.
Santos: Does 'same video content' mean that it's the same sub-par transfer to Blu-Ray that it was last time around?
Seriously? Why the need to be rude?
I'm sorry, on2legs, but the silence from all parties involved with this project is insulting as it is. Pixelation is not a product of circa-1993 analog video, rather the conversion processes involved in getting the source content onto a digital disc, and it is present on numerous portions of the film (especially, as mentioned, in the bonus discs). In addition, this pixelation is also visible on footage that seems to have been shot during the European tour where Imagine in Cornice's material was from. There was no pixelation observable in Imagine in Cornice, but there is in PJ20.
I get that you are unhappy with the transfer. I just don't get all the grief people give Santos for being the messenger for the Ten Club. If you have a legitimate question then ask away, but I don't think Santos deserves some of the snarky (yours) and obnoxious (others) posts on here.
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This time I got Bluray edition even If I don't have a bluray player but just in case I do get one in the future
Thanks 10c
I was wondering about that...still only own a dvd player, and don't plan to upgrade soon, but I got a bit paranoid thinking how I won't be able to watch this once the dvd has finally disappeared. Then I remembered that I still have a vcr that is working as well, so I'll stay oldschool.
I had the exact same thoughts... I had the Blu-Ray in my cart along with the DVD but removed it.
I don't have the disposable income to buy something that will sit unopened until the day I might get a Blu-Ray.
Maybe when "PJ20 The WEEKEND" comes out I'll get the Blu-Ray and have a good reason to by one.
I'm sorry, on2legs, but the silence from all parties involved with this project is insulting as it is. Pixelation is not a product of circa-1993 analog video, rather the conversion processes involved in getting the source content onto a digital disc, and it is present on numerous portions of the film (especially, as mentioned, in the bonus discs). In addition, this pixelation is also visible on footage that seems to have been shot during the European tour where Imagine in Cornice's material was from. There was no pixelation observable in Imagine in Cornice, but there is in PJ20.
A large corporation made a forum for its customers, hired administrators to monitor said forum, made a faulty product, and (my guess is) instructed them to remain silent on the customer complaints when they received them. I love this band, I appreciate the fact that the Ten Club has a small number of personnel on board and that it is very much a 'family entity', but these facts should not leave them unaccountable for when things go wrong - especially when their customers are paying upwards of $70 for a three-disc video. Hell, even an apology and note that unfortunately, at this point in production that they are incapable of resolving the issue, would have gone a long way.
With all due respect to you, you are not allowed to have a negative opinion against any one associated to the 10c or (specifically) Pearl Jam...
If anything you say is construed as a negative you are obviously not 'listening to the music" or you need to "lighten up on them,they are human".
As a customer (per the majority of this room) you are not entitled to point out any negatives.
So shut up, keep your opinions to yourself (no matter if you are right or wrong) and when all else fails remember.... its about the music and not about anything else.
Thank you, tboz51 really starting to assimilate.
hahahaha............love me some good sarcasm.[/quote]
Come on man.... Or woman.. However it goes...
I too grow tired of everyone (especially those) who have different opinions or a negative thought. I mean.... Hasn't our group said for nearly 22 years that we are suppose to not question anything, to go with the flow and always take everything at face value?
I think this hive needs a few more worker bee's and a few less queen bee's....
"Honesty will always be construed as negative to a dumbass"
:-)
The 'new' packaging of this blu ray release costs $20.00 less than the original... and thus the changed price.
I'm happy their is an explanation.. I still think it's fucked that a package costs so much.
I could care less what kind of package it's in. Especially if it will save me $20 - $30.
But...at least we have an explanation.
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The 'new' packaging of this blu ray release costs $20.00 less than the original... and thus the changed price.
I'm happy their is an explanation.. I still think it's fucked that a package costs so much.
I could care less what kind of package it's in. Especially if it will save me $20 - $30.
But...at least we have an explanation.
I'm glad they clarified that for us. Good to know.
I'm also glad that 10 Club didn't continue to charge the same amount as the last set. Cause let's face it.... they could have still charged $59 and pocketed the extra money and no one would have been the wiser. Instead they passed on the savings to us and got kicked in the balls by some people here.
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The 'new' packaging of this blu ray release costs $20.00 less than the original... and thus the changed price.
I'm happy their is an explanation.. I still think it's fucked that a package costs so much.
I could care less what kind of package it's in. Especially if it will save me $20 - $30.
But...at least we have an explanation.
i just saw this..good they explain it..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I'm also glad that 10 Club didn't continue to charge the same amount as the last set. Cause let's face it.... they could have still charged $59 and pocketed the extra money and no one would have been the wiser. Instead they passed on the savings to us and got kicked in the balls by some people here.
my thoughts exactly...they could easily put the same price as the other edition..
good they put lower price..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
:? Isn't it just cardboard anyway? $20 less for packaging? I think we all know its all marked up in price anyway just like any movie or video game, but physical production can't cost more than a couple dollars a piece right? Also a dvd can play in a blueray player so I don't think there's much worry about not being able to watch it in a few years...
I can't believe what we have become, I can't believe we argue about 30 bucks which probably would have ended up in beer and pee the morning after... glad everyone can get to watch all three discs now, at a lower price, yeah I paid 59+shipping for the DVD set, and I least watched all three discs every weekend ever since I got it for almost half a year, which is somethign that has more value than 30 bucks, which in my case would have probably ended up in beer and pee the morning after...
... I am not in the business of being liked anymore ...
Do you guys think they used DVD packaging for both the dvd and bluray?
Think they will include the film in the case & the 2 bonus discs in Mylar sleeves inside the case? I doubt it. Though you never know. I had a few DVD purchases where I did receive the film and the bonus discs were in a paper sleeves.
Santos: Does 'same video content' mean that it's the same sub-par transfer to Blu-Ray that it was last time around?
Seriously? Why the need to be rude?
I'm sorry, on2legs, but the silence from all parties involved with this project is insulting as it is. Pixelation is not a product of circa-1993 analog video, rather the conversion processes involved in getting the source content onto a digital disc, and it is present on numerous portions of the film (especially, as mentioned, in the bonus discs). In addition, this pixelation is also visible on footage that seems to have been shot during the European tour where Imagine in Cornice's material was from. There was no pixelation observable in Imagine in Cornice, but there is in PJ20.
A large corporation made a forum for its customers, hired administrators to monitor said forum, made a faulty product, and (my guess is) instructed them to remain silent on the customer complaints when they received them. I love this band, I appreciate the fact that the Ten Club has a small number of personnel on board and that it is very much a 'family entity', but these facts should not leave them unaccountable for when things go wrong - especially when their customers are paying upwards of $70 for a three-disc video. Hell, even an apology and note that unfortunately, at this point in production that they are incapable of resolving the issue, would have gone a long way.
#firstworldproblems
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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I can't believe what we have become, I can't believe we argue about 30 bucks which probably would have ended up in beer and pee the morning after... glad everyone can get to watch all three discs now, at a lower price, yeah I paid 59+shipping for the DVD set, and I least watched all three discs every weekend ever since I got it for almost half a year, which is somethign that has more value than 30 bucks, which in my case would have probably ended up in beer and pee the morning after...
that's you, good sir...
other folks (myself) did not watch the set every weekend for 6 months.
I'm happy more folks get to buy this set... I'm not happy I paid $30 extra to 'enjoy' it for a year sooner.
And let's be honest here folks... HOW DID THEY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEMAND WOULD BE??
STOP! STOP! STOP! making 'limited edition' and 'exclusive' items.
Everyone is SO HAPPY that 'everyone' gets to enjoy this... they're missing the point that 10C had the opportunity to make 'everyone' happy a year ago.. but for some mysterious reason did not.
^ ...THAT folks... is totally fucked.
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Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
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Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013 Toronto I&II 2016 10C: 220xxx
Anyone else not getting an order confirmation email?
Perhaps it's because it's a pre-order, but it's making me a little nervous...
You should of received a "Ten Club LLC Order Received" email. If not check your order history over @ http://pearljam.com/goods/account_history.php . If it's there, you're good to go.
And just to be clear so I'm not getting ganged up here...
I would LOVE to see the forum's reaction is they RE-released Benny Hall for $20.00 tomorrow.
"Due to high demand.... 10C is happy to announce that we are re-releasing Benaroya Hall in a newly limited and numbered #3000-#4000 edition for $20.00 because we decided not to include a couple of stickers to pass those costs on to you."
Gimme a break.
And this isn't the first time. White Backspacer comes to mind. How about those folks who shelled out $200+ to get a copy of that because it was 'limited'. Few months later... 10C mysteriously finds more and puts them for sale. These business practices make no sense.
Make to order. Pre-sale.... do whatever you need to do.
10C ... if you really cared about making 'all' the fans happy... you would manufacture to meet the demand of 'all' the fans.
Enough of this limited edition bullshit.
Toronto 2000
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013 Toronto I&II 2016 10C: 220xxx
Anyone else not getting an order confirmation email?
Perhaps it's because it's a pre-order, but it's making me a little nervous...
You should of received a "Ten Club LLC Order Received" email. If not check your order history over @ http://pearljam.com/goods/account_history.php . If it's there, you're good to go.
Yup got the 10C email right after the order. do a follow up if not
Hamilton 9-13-05; Toronto 5-9-06, Toronto 8-21-09, Toronto 9-12-11, Hamilton 9-15-11....
Do you guys think they used DVD packaging for both the dvd and bluray?
Think they will include the film in the case & the 2 bonus discs in Mylar sleeves inside the case? I doubt it. Though you never know. I had a few DVD purchases where I did receive the film and the bonus discs were in a paper sleeves.
I *THINK* he means he wants to know if the blu ray case is "blu ray sized" or if its standard dvd case size (there is a difference). Unfortunately I can't give you an answer!
damn. That much cheaper and a nicer case? People should pick these up while they can. Someone ripped off the 10club on the original case production and in turn they charged a ridiculous amount for the original deluxe set. Go to Target and look at all of the 6 disc bluray sets for under $50. In much better packaging. Glad 10club got it right this time.
Regardless, that's really cool of the club to reissue these. They make money and the fans are happy.
Do you guys think they used DVD packaging for both the dvd and bluray?
Think they will include the film in the case & the 2 bonus discs in Mylar sleeves inside the case? I doubt it. Though you never know. I had a few DVD purchases where I did receive the film and the bonus discs were in a paper sleeves.
I *THINK* he means he wants to know if the blu ray case is "blu ray sized" or if its standard dvd case size (there is a difference). Unfortunately I can't give you an answer!
Ah! If that's the case, would be weird to have the standard black plastic DVD case for it's Blu-ray release where they all pretty much come in clear sweet shades of blue.
And just to be clear so I'm not getting ganged up here...
I would LOVE to see the forum's reaction is they RE-released Benny Hall for $20.00 tomorrow.
"Due to high demand.... 10C is happy to announce that we are re-releasing Benaroya Hall in a newly limited and numbered #3000-#4000 edition for $20.00 because we decided not to include a couple of stickers to pass those costs on to you."
Gimme a break.
And this isn't the first time. White Backspacer comes to mind. How about those folks who shelled out $200+ to get a copy of that because it was 'limited'. Few months later... 10C mysteriously finds more and puts them for sale. These business practices make no sense.
Make to order. Pre-sale.... do whatever you need to do.
10C ... if you really cared about making 'all' the fans happy... you would manufacture to meet the demand of 'all' the fans.
Enough of this limited edition bullshit.
Yeah, the limited bullshit is bullshit. Why keep everyone feeling like they missed out, and restrict their enjoyment of the music?? I feel especially strongly about any vinyl. Vinyl should NOT be a rare item EVER. And if they have problems gauging demand, then always do pre-orders so they know how many they will sell right off the bat (with a good long space of time during which people can order - at least a month).
I sure do with they'd reissue Benny Hall though, if only to bring those fucking RIDICULOUS resale prices down.
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I can't believe what we have become, I can't believe we argue about 30 bucks which probably would have ended up in beer and pee the morning after... glad everyone can get to watch all three discs now, at a lower price, yeah I paid 59+shipping for the DVD set, and I least watched all three discs every weekend ever since I got it for almost half a year, which is somethign that has more value than 30 bucks, which in my case would have probably ended up in beer and pee the morning after...
that's you, good sir...
other folks (myself) did not watch the set every weekend for 6 months.
I'm happy more folks get to buy this set... I'm not happy I paid $30 extra to 'enjoy' it for a year sooner.
And let's be honest here folks... HOW DID THEY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEMAND WOULD BE??
STOP! STOP! STOP! making 'limited edition' and 'exclusive' items.
Everyone is SO HAPPY that 'everyone' gets to enjoy this... they're missing the point that 10C had the opportunity to make 'everyone' happy a year ago.. but for some mysterious reason did not.
^ ...THAT folks... is totally fucked.
you are right about the limited edition..
is wrong.
i think preorder is the best way to do it
sent a mail to members,give lets say a month to preorder,produce as many as the orders..
and thats it..i hope they can do it and its easy as it sounds..
x number preorders,x items to sell..end of story..
and no need to get an sms at 3 am from another member, to tell me that a limited shirt is for sale
and i sent another sms to another etc..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
This is a good move on the part of the Ten Club. Let's be happy that they rectified a mistake and made things right. For those of you who missed out the first time around, grab a copy ASAP. No complaining allowed if you miss out twice!
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you are right about the limited edition..
is wrong.
i think preorder is the best way to do it
sent a mail to members,give lets say a month to preorder,produce as many as the orders..
and thats it..i hope they can do it and its easy as it sounds..
x number preorders,x items to sell..end of story..
and no need to get an sms at 3 am from another member, to tell me that a limited shirt is for sale
and i sent another sms to another etc..
The scenario you suggest can also be considered "limited edition".
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Atlanta 2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
you are right about the limited edition..
is wrong.
i think preorder is the best way to do it
sent a mail to members,give lets say a month to preorder,produce as many as the orders..
and thats it..i hope they can do it and its easy as it sounds..
x number preorders,x items to sell..end of story..
and no need to get an sms at 3 am from another member, to tell me that a limited shirt is for sale
and i sent another sms to another etc..
The scenario you suggest can also be considered "limited edition".
Yeah, what if a new fan joins the club after the preorder. Sorry, limited edition, only for those who preordered.
you are right about the limited edition..
is wrong.
i think preorder is the best way to do it
sent a mail to members,give lets say a month to preorder,produce as many as the orders..
and thats it..i hope they can do it and its easy as it sounds..
x number preorders,x items to sell..end of story..
and no need to get an sms at 3 am from another member, to tell me that a limited shirt is for sale
and i sent another sms to another etc..
The scenario you suggest can also be considered "limited edition".
sure..but they will buy the one they want the item,as many they want,not the ones saw it first,had the money at the moment ,was online..etc.
especially the items has music or video,need to be that way..
backpack and hoodie ,posters stickers arent that important..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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There was an obvious transfer issue. It is very apparent in the Bushleaguer video, (which i was at, so ofcourse its the one screwed up). There is macroblocking occuring and that has nothing to do with the source material.
I am very happy for the people who are able to get it now. It didnt make sense that it was limited in the first place.
I am however upset that I paid more for it.
I will be realllllllllllly fucking upset if the new discs have better transfers than the ones we first adopters received. If so anyone who ordered the original run should recieve the new discs for free so we can watch Bushleaguer, etc properly. That would be fair.
Now can they release the bena vinyl once again.
- Uncle Snuffy
Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium - Nov 14, 1997,
Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium - Nov 15, 1997, Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 26, 1998, Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 27, 1998, United Center - Jun 29, 1998, Riverport Amphitheatre - Jul 02, 1998, Allstate Arena - Oct 09, 2000, Assembly Hall - Apr 23, 2003
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With all due respect to you, you are not allowed to have a negative opinion against any one associated to the 10c or (specifically) Pearl Jam...
If anything you say is construed as a negative you are obviously not 'listening to the music" or you need to "lighten up on them,they are human".
As a customer (per the majority of this room) you are not entitled to point out any negatives.
So shut up, keep your opinions to yourself (no matter if you are right or wrong) and when all else fails remember.... its about the music and not about anything else.
Thank you, tboz51 really starting to assimilate.
:-)
hahahaha............love me some good sarcasm.
I get that you are unhappy with the transfer. I just don't get all the grief people give Santos for being the messenger for the Ten Club. If you have a legitimate question then ask away, but I don't think Santos deserves some of the snarky (yours) and obnoxious (others) posts on here.
I had the exact same thoughts... I had the Blu-Ray in my cart along with the DVD but removed it.
I don't have the disposable income to buy something that will sit unopened until the day I might get a Blu-Ray.
Maybe when "PJ20 The WEEKEND" comes out I'll get the Blu-Ray and have a good reason to by one.
hahahaha............love me some good sarcasm.[/quote]
Come on man.... Or woman.. However it goes...
I too grow tired of everyone (especially those) who have different opinions or a negative thought. I mean.... Hasn't our group said for nearly 22 years that we are suppose to not question anything, to go with the flow and always take everything at face value?
I think this hive needs a few more worker bee's and a few less queen bee's....
:-)
The 'new' packaging of this blu ray release costs $20.00 less than the original... and thus the changed price.
I'm happy their is an explanation.. I still think it's fucked that a package costs so much.
I could care less what kind of package it's in. Especially if it will save me $20 - $30.
But...at least we have an explanation.
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
10C: 220xxx
I'm glad they clarified that for us. Good to know.
I'm also glad that 10 Club didn't continue to charge the same amount as the last set. Cause let's face it.... they could have still charged $59 and pocketed the extra money and no one would have been the wiser. Instead they passed on the savings to us and got kicked in the balls by some people here.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
good they put lower price..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Think they will include the film in the case & the 2 bonus discs in Mylar sleeves inside the case? I doubt it. Though you never know. I had a few DVD purchases where I did receive the film and the bonus discs were in a paper sleeves.
#firstworldproblems
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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Perhaps it's because it's a pre-order, but it's making me a little nervous...
that's you, good sir...
other folks (myself) did not watch the set every weekend for 6 months.
I'm happy more folks get to buy this set... I'm not happy I paid $30 extra to 'enjoy' it for a year sooner.
And let's be honest here folks... HOW DID THEY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEMAND WOULD BE??
STOP! STOP! STOP! making 'limited edition' and 'exclusive' items.
Everyone is SO HAPPY that 'everyone' gets to enjoy this... they're missing the point that 10C had the opportunity to make 'everyone' happy a year ago.. but for some mysterious reason did not.
^ ...THAT folks... is totally fucked.
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
10C: 220xxx
You should of received a "Ten Club LLC Order Received" email. If not check your order history over @ http://pearljam.com/goods/account_history.php . If it's there, you're good to go.
I would LOVE to see the forum's reaction is they RE-released Benny Hall for $20.00 tomorrow.
"Due to high demand.... 10C is happy to announce that we are re-releasing Benaroya Hall in a newly limited and numbered #3000-#4000 edition for $20.00 because we decided not to include a couple of stickers to pass those costs on to you."
Gimme a break.
And this isn't the first time. White Backspacer comes to mind. How about those folks who shelled out $200+ to get a copy of that because it was 'limited'. Few months later... 10C mysteriously finds more and puts them for sale. These business practices make no sense.
Make to order. Pre-sale.... do whatever you need to do.
10C ... if you really cared about making 'all' the fans happy... you would manufacture to meet the demand of 'all' the fans.
Enough of this limited edition bullshit.
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
10C: 220xxx
Yup got the 10C email right after the order. do a follow up if not
I *THINK* he means he wants to know if the blu ray case is "blu ray sized" or if its standard dvd case size (there is a difference). Unfortunately I can't give you an answer!
Regardless, that's really cool of the club to reissue these. They make money and the fans are happy.
Ah! If that's the case, would be weird to have the standard black plastic DVD case for it's Blu-ray release where they all pretty much come in clear sweet shades of blue.
I sure do with they'd reissue Benny Hall though, if only to bring those fucking RIDICULOUS resale prices down.
is wrong.
i think preorder is the best way to do it
sent a mail to members,give lets say a month to preorder,produce as many as the orders..
and thats it..i hope they can do it and its easy as it sounds..
x number preorders,x items to sell..end of story..
and no need to get an sms at 3 am from another member, to tell me that a limited shirt is for sale
and i sent another sms to another etc..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Memphis - Aug 15, 2000
Chicago - May 16, 2006
Chicago - Aug 23-24, 2009
Columbus - May 6, 2010
Noblesville - May 7, 2010
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Amsterdam - June 26-27, 2012
Berlin - July 4-5, 2012
The scenario you suggest can also be considered "limited edition".
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Atlanta 2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
Yeah, what if a new fan joins the club after the preorder. Sorry, limited edition, only for those who preordered.
especially the items has music or video,need to be that way..
backpack and hoodie ,posters stickers arent that important..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”