U.S. embassy in Cairo apologizes

aerial

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

aerial wrote:

Godfather you have a point.......


Drownedout

If they are not lumping all Americans together why did they kill the Ambassador and the other three people?

probably because those were representatives of the american government on figurative american soil and they were the closest americans they could find....since the maker of the movie was a coward and was in hiding at the time...

what makes what they did with lumping americans together any worse than what some of you are doing lumping all muslims together in this very thread??

Because they are killing innocent people, and it is not the first time....

PJ_Soul

aerial wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

aerial wrote:

I am saying they as in Libyans or Muslims ............gimmesometruth27 said........ killed because of movie, because the person that made it was hiding....they were the closest americans they could find.
I say because Libyans that are Muslims lump Americans together and you cannot deny it.

Lump them together as what??

Lots of people in the middle east do not hate Americans. In fact a lot of them go through quite a bit of trouble to immigrate to the US.... and aot of people in the middle east DO bate Americans. It's a diverse region.

My point is if there is a debate going on and people do not agree with some of you, most of you start to try and accuse people of bigotry, ignorance, and just get really rude.

1) So what? They're just more opinions. I think you're someone who has supported freedom of speech, right?
2) I think this thread is pretty calm cool and collected, and fairly respectful, given the subject.

aerial

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.

if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.

we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.

We have Constitution that gives us the right to say what ever we want. When they do something I don't like I am not going out and find the first Muslim I can find and kill them....
When people on here insult my God I don't see you calling for respect then. Why?

whygohome

aerial wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.

if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.

we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.

We a Constitution that gives us the right to say what ever we want. When they do something I don't like I am not going out and find the first Muslim I can find and kill them....
When people on here insult my God I don't see you calling for respect then. Why?

Because my invisible man in the sky IS better than yours.

PJ_Soul

aerial wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.

if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.

we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.

We a Constitution that gives us the right to say what ever we want. When they do something I don't like I am not going out and find the first Muslim I can find and kill them....
When people on here insult my God I don't see you calling for respect then. Why?

I would imagine it's because none of us or you are about to start burning and killing or inciting violence or risking war over it. For the record, for me, it's not what is said that matters at all. It's the consequences of what is said that matters.

aerial

Drowned Out wrote:

aerial wrote:

This administration have no idea how to handle what is happening now. They are saying the video that was posted in July is the reason our ambassador was killed, possibly sexually assaulted, and paraded in the streets. Then they say it was not the reason. They don't know what lie they want us to believe.....

Kerry Picket at The Washington Times reported:

According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.

A news report made by the Libyan Free Press is also reporting that Ambassador Stevens was sodomized before he was killed:

Will Obama stop campaigning and handle this tragedy?

aerial trusting a Lebanese news source? edit: wait....sorry, a Lebanese source, citing a French source.
All of the reports I've read state that he got separated from a group during evacuation and got lost, dying of asphyxiation from a fire. Not sure how they could have sodomized him in that situation. Maybe it's just obama lying to confuse us. Can you clarify your statement about them flip-flopping on the film being the reason behind this? Have they publicly claimed both sides of that opinion?

My source was the news stations.

aerial

PJ_Soul wrote:

aerial wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.

if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.

we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.

We a Constitution that gives us the right to say what ever we want. When they do something I don't like I am not going out and find the first Muslim I can find and kill them....
When people on here insult my God I don't see you calling for respect then. Why?

I would imagine it's because none of us or you are about to start burning and killing or inciting violence or risking war over it. For the record, for me, it's not what is said that matters at all. It's the consequences of what is said that matters.

It would be nice if we had respect for all people not just the ones your afraid might go kill people....

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.

if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.

we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.

Huh?

I'm not really sure how this applies at all.

PJ_Soul

aerial wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

aerial wrote:

We a Constitution that gives us the right to say what ever we want. When they do something I don't like I am not going out and find the first Muslim I can find and kill them....
When people on here insult my God I don't see you calling for respect then. Why?

I would imagine it's because none of us or you are about to start burning and killing or inciting violence or risking war over it. For the record, for me, it's not what is said that matters at all. It's the consequences of what is said that matters.

It would be nice if we had respect for all people not just the ones your afraid might go kill people....

It would be nice if all people or their opinions were worthy of respect. There is nothing noble about respecting something that isn't worth one's respect. We all have the right to express our opinions, but where anyone got the idea that all opinions ought to be respected is beyond me. But in any case, respect has nothing to do with the treatment of this situation. It's simply a matter of being diplomatic in order to avoid chaos.

gimmesometruth27

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.

if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.

we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.

Huh?

I'm not really sure how this applies at all.

it definitely applies... our freedom of speech does not apply across country, cultural, and spiritual lines....

and let's be completely honest with everyone on the forum.....laura, aka, hippemom, would not appreciate your use of her beloved and most hallowed screen name to advance your position on the issues of our time...

based on my numerous late night conversations with her i think she would have something to say about that....

gimmesometruth27

after 10 plus years, i'm just sayin'...

PJ_Soul

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.

if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.

we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.

Huh?

I'm not really sure how this applies at all.

it definitely applies... our freedom of speech does not apply across country, cultural, and spiritual lines....

and let's be completely honest with everyone on the forum.....laura, aka, hippemom, would not appreciate your use of her beloved and most hallowed screen name to advance your position on the issues of our time...

based on my numerous late night conversations with her i think she would have something to say about that....

:think: And the plot thickens...

gimmesometruth27

PJ_Soul wrote:

:think: And the plot thickens...

it is not any sort of a plot. i am just saying that she would know better than to let someone use her name in any situation that would make her look uninformed or feel uncomfortable...

she would be very angry if it were posted that someone like mitt romney had her best interests at heart..... because anyone on earth that knew her would know that nothing that mitt romney and paul ryan had to say would ever make her support them... those assholes would have taken away her health insurance...


if you don't believe me pm me and i will explain....

PJ_Soul

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

:think: And the plot thickens...

it is not any sort of a plot. i am just saying that she would know better than to let someone use her name in any situation that would make her look uninformed or feel uncomfortable...

she would be very angry if it were posted that someone like mitt romney had her best interests at heart..... because anyone on earth that knew her would know that nothing that mitt romney and paul ryan had to say would ever make her support them... those assholes would have taken away her health insurance...


if you don't believe me pm me and i will explain....

I was just kidding. I'm new around here - I have no idea who you are talking about!

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.

if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.

we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.

I can't believe you are taking this position.

I know, we cannot judge as Americans. We do not understand other cultures. If mass riots take place and people die because a cartoon offends someone, how be it for us to understand. The artist is at fault.

I wonder what Trey Parker and Matt Stone's thoughts are?

:fp:

pandora

Looks like from the most recent news reports we got scammed ...

well played terrorists ... now what are the candidates saying? :oops:

aerial

The movie was posted in July. So the movie reasoning was BS.........

So they just wanted to remind us they still want us dead!

mickeyrat

aerial wrote:

The movie was posted in July. So the movie reasoning was BS.........

So they just wanted to remind us they still want us dead!

and was only just recently translated into arabic and sent to Egyptian news stations.

Godfather.

KABUL, Afghanistan – Hundreds of protesters demonstrating against an anti-Islam film torched a press club and a government building in northwest Pakistan on Monday, sparking clashes with police that left at least one person dead. Demonstrations also turned violent outside a U.S. military base in Afghanistan and the U.S. Embassy in Indonesia.

The attacks were the latest in a week-long wave of violence sparked by the low-budget film, which portrays Islam's Prophet Muhammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a child molester. Many of the protests have targeted U.S. diplomatic posts throughout the Muslim world, including one that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya, forcing Washington to ramp up security in select countries.

Protesters have directed their anger at the U.S. government even though the film was privately produced and American officials have criticized it for intentionally offending Muslims.

In Afghanistan, hundreds of people burned cars and threw rocks at a U.S. military base in the capital, Kabul. Many in the crowd shouted "Death to America!" and "Death to those people who have made a film and insulted our prophet."

Police officers shot into the air to hold back about crowd of about 800 protesters and to prevent them from pushing toward government buildings downtown, said Azizullah, a police officer at the site who, like many Afghans, only goes by one name.

More than 20 police officers were slightly injured, most of them hit by rocks, said Gen. Fahim Qaim, the commander of a city quick-reaction police force.

Later in the day, protests broke out in other areas of Kabul, including the main thoroughfare into the city, where demonstrators burned shipping containers and tires. The crowd torched at least one police vehicle before finally dispersing, according Daoud Amin, the deputy police chief for Kabul province.

At a separate protest in front of a mosque in southwest Kabul, several dozen people shouted anti-U.S. slogans and called for President Barack Obama to bring those who have insulted the prophet to justice.

The rallies will continue "until the people who made the film go to trial," said one of the protesters, Wahidullah Hotak.

A number of Afghan religious leaders urged calm.

"Our responsibility is to show a peaceful reaction, to hold peaceful protests. Do not harm people, their property or public property," said Karimullah Saqib, a cleric in Kabul.

The Afghan government has blocked video-sharing website YouTube to prevent Afghans from viewing a clip of the anti-Muslim film. Officials have said it will remain blocked until the video is taken down. Other Google services, including Gmail, were also blocked in Afghanistan during much of the weekend and access continued to be denied on some providers Monday.

Several hundred demonstrators in Pakistan's northwest also clashed with police Monday after setting fire to a press club and a government building, said police official Mukhtar Ahmed. The protesters apparently attacked the press club in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province's Upper Dir district because they were angry their rally wasn't getting more coverage, he said.

Police charged the crowd, beating protesters back with batons, Ahmad said. The demonstrators then attacked the office of a senior government official and surrounded a local police station, said Ahmad, who was had locked himself inside with several other officers.

One protester died when police and demonstrators exchanged fire and several others were wounded, police official Akhtar Hayat said.

The violence came a day after hundreds of protesters clashed with police when they tried to storm the U.S. Consulate in the southern city of Karachi. One protester was killed and over a dozen were wounded.

Pakistanis have also held many peaceful protests against the film, including one in the southwest town of Chaman on Monday attended by around 3,000 students and teachers.

In Jakarta, hundreds of Indonesians angered over the film clashed with police outside the U.S. Embassy, hurling rocks and firebombs and setting tires alight outside the mission, marking the first violence seen in the world's most populous Muslim country since international outrage over the film exploded last week.

At least 10 police were rushed to the hospital after being pelted with rocks and attacked with bamboo sticks, said Jakarta Police Chief Maj. Gen. Untung Rajad. He said four protesters were arrested and one was hospitalized.

Demonstrators burned a picture of President Barack Obama and also tried to ignite a fire truck parked outside the embassy after ripping a water hose off the vehicle and torching it, sending plumes of black smoke billowing into the sky. Police used a bullhorn to appeal for calm and deployed water cannons and tear gas to try to disperse the crowd as the protesters shouted "Allah Akbar," or God is great.

"We will destroy America like this flag!" a protester screamed while burning a U.S. flag. "We will chase away the American ambassador from the country!"

Demonstrations were also held Monday in the Indonesian cities of Medan and Bandung. Over the weekend in the central Java town of Solo, protesters stormed KFC and McDonald's restaurants, forcing customers to leave and management to close the stores.

The wave of international violence began last Tuesday when mainly Islamist protesters climbed the U.S. Embassy walls in the Egyptian capital of Cairo and tore down the American flag from a pole in the courtyard.

The U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, was killed Tuesday along with three other Americans, as violent protesters stormed the consulate in Benghazi. Protesters have also stormed the U.S. Embassies in Tunis and Yemen and held violent demonstrations outside other posts.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/17 ... z26jHRLiUG

well lets back out...stop all support for anybody in the middle east send any middle easterner(muslims) in the US home that feel they need to demonstrate or burn buildings and kill people...round em all up send em home so they can demonstrate till their hearts content then after they have totaly destroyed their own citys and towns and need monitary and military support we can tell them to fuck off...but we'll buy your oil for $2 a barrel....

Godfather.

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.

if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.

we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.

Huh?

I'm not really sure how this applies at all.

it definitely applies... our freedom of speech does not apply across country, cultural, and spiritual lines....

and let's be completely honest with everyone on the forum.....laura, aka, hippemom, would not appreciate your use of her beloved and most hallowed screen name to advance your position on the issues of our time...

based on my numerous late night conversations with her i think she would have something to say about that....

1) Of course Freedom of speech doesn't apply to other countries...if you say something in another country and it's against their laws, you can get in trouble. But again, I have no idea how this applies to this at all.

2) You are way out of line, as usual. I'm not using anyone to "advance my position on the issues". I just really respected her even when we disagreed. And I'm not sorry if that offends you.