Romney to pick Paul Ryan for VP

pandora

Not sure what the alternative is but the constant backbiting between the parties
is so frustrating.

Before Paul Ryan was picked it was known he was liked by both Republicans and Democrats,
not all of course. Now he is attacked continually because he is a running mate,
of course.

The super dumb power struggle and blame game that takes place at each election and then
while in term is unnerving.
Why? why must we have a system doomed to fail like a never ending war?

We need one new ideology to solve the dangerous problems that threaten our country,
one where everyone works together in the best interest of all.
All sacrifice, all negotiate, all realize if we don't all will suffer.


Call that la la land if you like but the cold hard reality is getting
absolutely ridiculous ... where is the common sense?
If we don't come together all is to blame.

DS1119

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

prism wrote:

borrowed from a friend's fb....

And with this, we've discovered how social networking can be the answer to the hundreds of millions from the Koch brothers.

When things are spelled out that clearly... And we all have a few hundred "friends" on Facebook and twitter (I think my current follower number is about 7600), we can spread the word and get it out without the hundreds of millions given by the handful of billionaires determined to spread their vitriol.

I always thought the media was blamed for being liberal?

Johnny Abruzzo

pandora wrote:

Before Paul Ryan was picked it was known he was liked by both Republicans and Democrats,
not all of course. Now he is attacked continually because he is a running mate,
of course.

Not true. His full-out embrace of Tea Party platitudes, his ring leadership in refusing to increase the debt ceiling (he was instrumental in bringing the nation's credit down), and his Draconian budget have made him very unpopular to most of the country that pays attention and is not in the Tea Party for some time now. His being the running mate obviously brings more attention to all these details.

In other words, those of us who pay attention have disliked Paul Ryan (his policies at least) for some time. People who just figured out who he is and what he really represents clearly are just going to come around to their views at this point.

By the way, Paul Ryan's budget was rebuked by the Catholic Church. I can't believe he got the Catholics to oppose something Republicans did. Sorry the link is from Huffington Post (admittedly a left-leaning website, but the quotes are the quotes).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/18/ryan-budget-catholic_n_1434919.html

this budget is morally indefensible and betrays Catholic principles of solidarity, just taxation and a commitment to the common good.

Tuesday's statement from the bishops came the same day as Bishop Stephen E. Blaire of Stockton, Calif., called a proposed cut in benefits for children of immigrants "unjust and wrong." Blaire, chairman of the bishops' Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development, also decried any cuts in food stamps while preserving federal subsidies for industrial farming enterprises.

"Congress faces a difficult task to balance needs and resources and allocate burdens and sacrifices," Blaire wrote to the House Agriculture Committee. "Just solutions, however, must require shared sacrifice by all, including raising adequate revenues, eliminating unnecessary military and other spending, and fairly addressing the long-term costs of health insurance and retirement programs."

"The House-passed budget resolution fails to meet these moral criteria."

These quotes are from April, long before Ryan's selection as running mate.

Johnny Abruzzo

prism wrote:

borrowed from a friend's fb....

I put this on my fb, and I never put anything on there.

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

Before Paul Ryan was picked it was known he was liked by both Republicans and Democrats,

Um, no. No he wasn't.

mikepegg44

"Madame Speaker, This bill offends my principles, but I'm going to vote for this bill in order to preserve my principles, in order to preserve this free enterprise system..."


- Paul Ryan


:fp:
that is about all you need to know about Paul Ryan's character and resolve.

PJ_Soul

pandora wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

I'm finding this the toughest election for me...

So someone who's been caught in about 10 BLATANT lies in the last week since his nomination and a Multi-multi-millionaire and possible billionaire (but we're not sure) against the guy who thinks that the rich should pay their share in taxes and the poor shouldn't suffer and die from strep throat...

and this is a "tough" election for you.


Well... you're just as brilliant and informed as I've always figured you are.

cheers.

You're not an Independent in the broadest sense ...
so filled with hate towards the conservatives, there is no question for you
at least this is how you present yourself in every thread.
Just easy peasy for you and those like this are least informed because their minds are made
before they learn a thing.

I am bright enough to know President Obama has failed... does he deserve four more...
maybe.

I'm bright enough to know there are filthy rich on both sides of this
and none of them want to pay taxes. The Democrats got their nonprofits, filthy rich,
the Republicans got their corporations, filthy rich.

Neither is for the people they are for the filthy rich.

One party pretends to be and pushes our country to broke with handouts
and taxes from the middle class.
The other party thinks when corporations are healthy our economy will be healthy
and people will be back to work.

This is hard election because I do not trust any of them more and more each year...

As bolded in red... I too have an opinion of you..
its not pretty in fact its pretty negative so I will not go there remembering...
if you can't say something nice shut the fuck up
I mean, don't say anything at all.

Obama's failed because Congress went out of their way to ensure that he failed, even though it meant that Americans would suffer for it.

PJ_Soul

DS1119 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

You can try an manipulate what I said all I want. I NEVER said their were 50 news sites contradicting what is public record.

Hm... interesting. So in reaction to this article, posted here by PJ_Soul, that just listed his public record of votes, you said...

DS1119 wrote:

I could find 50 other sources to contradict what was posted

So can you explain what you meant by that?

The spin in the article about him being homophobic and that's why he voted against it. Did anyone ever consider ANY other factors in that article? Nope. That website just wanted people to believe the only reason he voted against it was becasue he was a homophobe. Which is fair...it's a site for people of an alternative lifestyle. I'm sure I can find websites that detailed why he voted against it for several other reasons ie. economic, etc.

Again, I'm still waiting for your definition of people with the money? :corn:

I don't want to get too into this conversation, but I think it's pretty clear that Ryan is against gay rights - his voting record proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. And in my opinion, being against gay rights makes a person homophobic.

Godfather.

homophobic that word just kills me

Godfather.

Johnny Abruzzo

Godfather. wrote:

homophobic that word just kills me

Godfather.

What a man dose??? :?

PJ_Soul

Godfather. wrote:

homophobic that word just kills me

Godfather.

Yeah, it's not a good word, I'll agree with you there. A new term needs to be invented, because "phobic" just doesn't make sense. But anyway... semantics. We all know what is meant by it through context.

Godfather.

PJ_Soul wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

homophobic that word just kills me

Godfather.

Yeah, it's not a good word, I'll agree with you there. A new term needs to be invented, because "phobic" just doesn't make sense. But anyway... semantics. We all know what is meant by it through context.

yea man there has to be something else the word homophobic just sounds like even the person using it is gay..it just has that built in lisp to it

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness

Godfather. wrote:

the word homophobic just sounds like even the person using it is gay..it just has that built in lisp to it

Godfather.

Ok um, how many gay people do you know?

You know that most of us don't actually have that gay lisp, right?

Have you ever heard me speak?

norm

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

the word homophobic just sounds like even the person using it is gay..it just has that built in lisp to it

Godfather.

Ok um, how many gay people do you know?

You know that most of us don't actually have that gay lisp, right?

Have you ever heard me speak?

you mean you all don't speak and act like charles nelson reilly?

DS1119

PJ_Soul wrote:

I don't want to get too into this conversation, but I think it's pretty clear that Ryan is against gay rights - his voting record proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. And in my opinion, being against gay rights makes a person homophobic.

There are more factors for the way a politician votes other than their own personal feelings. I'll just take this example. Were the politicinas that voted against making airbags standard equipment in vehicles safetyphobic?

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

the word homophobic just sounds like even the person using it is gay..it just has that built in lisp to it

Godfather.

Ok um, how many gay people do you know?

You know that most of us don't actually have that gay lisp, right?

Have you ever heard me speak?

no I have not heard you speak.. and not many......well o.k non..sorry man I was just making a joke, you gotta see the humor in word like Homophobic...well maybe not.

Godfather.

Godfather.

Godfather. wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

the word homophobic just sounds like even the person using it is gay..it just has that built in lisp to it

Godfather.

Ok um, how many gay people do you know?

You know that most of us don't actually have that gay lisp, right?

Have you ever heard me speak?

no I have not heard you speak.. and not many......well o.k non..sorry man I was just making a joke, you gotta see the humor in word like Homophobic...well maybe not.

Godfather.

WAIT ! do lesbians count ? shit I know a few of them...we share the same interest's

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness

Godfather. wrote:

WAIT ! do lesbians count ? shit I know a few of them...we share the same interest's

Godfather.

Golf and Melissa Etheridge? :?

Johnny Abruzzo

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-repugnant-code-behind-todd-akins-words/2012/08/20/7e91ed12-eb08-11e1-a80b-9f898562d010_story.html?hpid=z4

Earlier this year, every House Republican and 16 Democrats voted for a bill that would have rewritten the rape exception in federal abortion funding bans by inserting the phrase “forcible rape,” words eerily similar to Mr. Akin’s notion of “legitimate rape.” Among the 227 co-sponsors was Rep. Paul Ryan, now Mitt Romney’s running mate. The bill never made it to the Senate floor; let’s hope the same will be said for Mr. Akin and his unacceptable views.

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

WAIT ! do lesbians count ? shit I know a few of them...we share the same interest's

Godfather.

Golf and Melissa Etheridge? :?

I've never played Golf with Milissa Eetheridge....but I'd take a shot at it.

Godfather.