Did I forget to mention Romney said that in front Vietnam veterans?
so he was sucking up then. :fp: did any of the vets ask him what kept him from actually being in vietnam???
I don't think so. I wish one of them did. If I were there, I would have asked him.
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"Red lines don't lead to war, red lines prevent war," he said. "Nothing could imperil the world more than a nuclear-armed Iran."
Netanyahu said Iran had completed the first stage of uranium enrichment.
"Iran is 70 percent of the way there and ... well into the second stage. By next summer, at current enrichment rates, they will have finished the medium enrichment and move on to the final stage," Netanyahu said. "From there it is only a few more weeks before they have enriched enough for a bomb."
Netanyahu has repeatedly argued that time is running out to stop the Islamic Republic from becoming a nuclear power and the threat of force must be seriously considered.
"I believe that faced with a clear red line, Iran will back down — and it will give more time for sanctions and diplomacy," the Israeli prime minister said.
anyone who thinks sanctions and the like will have efficacy AFTER Iran is nuke capable has some thinking to do...
Bibi: if you're so worried about Iran getting a nuke, why don't you attack them since you want to so bad? What do you need us for?
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he needs us because if he attacks iran his neighbors will attack israel and israel is not equipped to wage a multifront war. so israel needs its "easy to manipulate", "lapdog" to protect it.
i say if you talk shit and threaten war and then start one, you are on your own.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
he needs us because if he attacks iran his neighbors will attack israel and israel is not equipped to wage a multifront war. so israel needs its "easy to manipulate", "lapdog" to protect it.
i say if you talk shit and threaten war and then start one, you are on your own.
Romney belongs on that list.
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Romney: Military strike on Iran may be unnecessary
BOSTON — Mitt Romney says he doesn't believe military action will be necessary to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
The Republican presidential nominee says he discussed the issue with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by telephone Friday afternoon.[WHY???] Romney later told reporters traveling with him that it's unclear whether there is any difference between their so-called "red lines" on when launching military action against Iran would be appropriate.
Romney says he can't completely take the military option off the table because Iran needs to take the threat seriously. But he says he does not believe force will ultimately be needed.
Netanyahu argues that an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities may be the only answer.
President Barack Obama also spoke to Netanyahu on Friday.
Romney: Military strike on Iran may be unnecessary
BOSTON — Mitt Romney says he doesn't believe military action will be necessary to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
The Republican presidential nominee says he discussed the issue with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by telephone Friday afternoon.[WHY???] Romney later told reporters traveling with him that it's unclear whether there is any difference between their so-called "red lines" on when launching military action against Iran would be appropriate.
Romney says he can't completely take the military option off the table because Iran needs to take the threat seriously. But he says he does not believe force will ultimately be needed.
Netanyahu argues that an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities may be the only answer.
President Barack Obama also spoke to Netanyahu on Friday.
:fp: Wasn't he beating the war drums to start a war against Iran a few months ago?
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday disregarded a U.N. warning to avoid incendiary rhetoric and declared ahead of the annual General Assembly session that Israel has no roots in the Middle East and would be "eliminated."
"We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated," Ahmadinejad added.
So he didn't say that Israel would be eliminated then. He said that "During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated". Not quite the same thing as saying that Israel would be eliminated. But then I suppose you can twist anything to suit your agenda. Though it is strange how they only quoted one word in the first paragraph, and then posted the full sentence later which completely contradicts the original paragraph. Maybe they were counting on their readers having very short attention spans and not making it past the first few lines?
I think Iran just might have a bit of an uprising. they need new leadership and that would be a good thing.
Iran's rial has lost nearly 40 percent of its value against the U.S. dollar in the past week. The rate Thursday — about 32,000 rials for the dollar — was a bit higher than the record low earlier this week.
I think Iran just might have a bit of an uprising. they need new leadership and that would be a good thing.
Iran's rial has lost nearly 40 percent of its value against the U.S. dollar in the past week. The rate Thursday — about 32,000 rials for the dollar — was a bit higher than the record low earlier this week.
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usamamasan1, would you know where to look for Iran on a map?
JERUSALEM (AP) — A lawmaker from the Israeli prime minister's party is in the United States ahead of the presidential election and has said that President Barack Obama has "not been a friend of Israel."
Danny Danon, chairman of Likud's international outreach branch, said in Chicago on Tuesday that Obama's policies have been "catastrophic."
Danon said he will also travel to Florida and New York to promote his new book and to meet with Republican and Democratic leaders.
He says he is not interfering in the presidential race but merely stating his personal opinion. He has previously praised Mitt Romney.
But his comments could be embarrassing to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been trying to shed accusations that he favors his longtime friend Romney in the race for the White House.
JERUSALEM (AP) — A lawmaker from the Israeli prime minister's party is in the United States ahead of the presidential election and has said that President Barack Obama has "not been a friend of Israel."
Danny Danon, chairman of Likud's international outreach branch, said in Chicago on Tuesday that Obama's policies have been "catastrophic."
Danon said he will also travel to Florida and New York to promote his new book and to meet with Republican and Democratic leaders.
He says he is not interfering in the presidential race but merely stating his personal opinion. He has previously praised Mitt Romney.
But his comments could be embarrassing to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been trying to shed accusations that he favors his longtime friend Romney in the race for the White House.
how has it been catastrophic?? because obama is telling them not to attack iran?? what? preventing pointless bloodshed?? allowing internationally condemned illegal settlements to continue unabated??? that obama is damned contemptable a tyrant!!!
bibi and romney are longtime business associates, so of course he is going to do anything he can to help romney aside from buying the election for him...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
JERUSALEM (AP) — A lawmaker from the Israeli prime minister's party is in the United States ahead of the presidential election and has said that President Barack Obama has "not been a friend of Israel."
Danny Danon, chairman of Likud's international outreach branch, said in Chicago on Tuesday that Obama's policies have been "catastrophic."
Danon said he will also travel to Florida and New York to promote his new book and to meet with Republican and Democratic leaders.
He says he is not interfering in the presidential race but merely stating his personal opinion. He has previously praised Mitt Romney.
But his comments could be embarrassing to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been trying to shed accusations that he favors his longtime friend Romney in the race for the White House.
how has it been catastrophic?? because obama is telling them not to attack iran?? what? preventing pointless bloodshed?? allowing internationally condemned illegal settlements to continue unabated??? that obama is damned contemptable a tyrant!!!
bibi and romney are longtime business associates, so of course he is going to do anything he can to help romney aside from buying the election for him...
Their influence in this election is despicable. Could it be illegal as well?
Anyway, Fox News says they are our allies, so I guess they are!
JERUSALEM (AP) — A lawmaker from the Israeli prime minister's party is in the United States ahead of the presidential election and has said that President Barack Obama has "not been a friend of Israel."
Danny Danon, chairman of Likud's international outreach branch, said in Chicago on Tuesday that Obama's policies have been "catastrophic."
Danon said he will also travel to Florida and New York to promote his new book and to meet with Republican and Democratic leaders.
He says he is not interfering in the presidential race but merely stating his personal opinion. He has previously praised Mitt Romney.
But his comments could be embarrassing to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been trying to shed accusations that he favors his longtime friend Romney in the race for the White House.
"He says he is not interfering in the presidential race" that's a lie.
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Israel's economy has been kept notably stable through years of international turmoil, thanks to Netanyahu's stance and that of the Bank of Israel
and because the us helps them financially as well.
we gave them $3.8 billion worth of arms and military equipment last year that they did not have to pay for...
:fp: Something wrong with that picture.
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The way i understand it, if Israel hits the sites without their greatest ally, US, they can delay the bomb by ~2years. If US gives our ally Israel a hand ~4years. Either way, Iran is getting nuked up. Something has to give.
Sanctions are hurting innocent people. Targeted attacks on WMD facilities are probably more effective. Especially coming from a position of strength. I believe in America and I think our next President will lead from a position of strength and not passivity.
The way i understand it, if Israel hits the sites without their greatest ally, US, they can delay the bomb by ~2years. If US gives our ally Israel a hand ~4years. Either way, Iran is getting nuked up. Something has to give.
Sanctions are hurting innocent people. Targeted attacks on WMD facilities are probably more effective. Especially coming from a position of strength. I believe in America and I think our next President will lead from a position of strength and not passivity.
way to quote romney's speech :fp:
there are no targeted attacks. there is always collateral damage. israel is the schoolyard bully who is going to get his friends to help him fight because he is unwilling or unable to handle things when the target actually fights back. israel would not risk a larger scale war. their people do not want it. they have mandatory service for their young people. those people are going to be forced into a war that they don't want and it will backfire on them. that is why they need the US to help.
since you are a fiscal conservative, how can you reconcile your positions of fiscal responsibility and call for more war that can not be paid for? you can't. that position is not based on any reality and it is a pipe dream.
what you and romney do not realize is, the posturing romney is doing like he did yesterday and what you are doing on this message board is the exact reason that people in the rest of the world hate us. following bush and his cowboy policies, they have this impression of americans that bush embodied. now romney is going to personafy that image.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
you are also forgetting that russia will get involved if we attack iran.
after 11 years of endless war, thousands of americans dead, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, the desired outcomes have not been achieved, are you prepared to commit us to ANOTHER foreign war in that region?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The way i understand it, if Israel hits the sites without their greatest ally, US, they can delay the bomb by ~2years. If US gives our ally Israel a hand ~4years. Either way, Iran is getting nuked up. Something has to give.
Sanctions are hurting innocent people. Targeted attacks on WMD facilities are probably more effective. Especially coming from a position of strength. I believe in America and I think our next President will lead from a position of strength and not passivity.
way to quote romney's speech :fp:
there are no targeted attacks. there is always collateral damage. israel is the schoolyard bully who is going to get his friends to help him fight because he is unwilling or unable to handle things when the target actually fights back. israel would not risk a larger scale war. their people do not want it. they have mandatory service for their young people. those people are going to be forced into a war that they don't want and it will backfire on them. that is why they need the US to help.
since you are a fiscal conservative, how can you reconcile your positions of fiscal responsibility and call for more war that can not be paid for? you can't. that position is not based on any reality and it is a pipe dream.
what you and romney do not realize is, the posturing romney is doing like he did yesterday and what you are doing on this message board is the exact reason that people in the rest of the world hate us. following bush and his cowboy policies, they have this impression of americans that bush embodied. now romney is going to personafy that image.
Romney has already hired 17 of his 24 foreign policy advisers who were also Bush's advisers. We saw how that worked out.
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The way i understand it, if Israel hits the sites without their greatest ally, US, they can delay the bomb by ~2years. If US gives our ally Israel a hand ~4years. Either way, Iran is getting nuked up. Something has to give.
Sanctions are hurting innocent people. Targeted attacks on WMD facilities are probably more effective. Especially coming from a position of strength. I believe in America and I think our next President will lead from a position of strength and not passivity.
PBS/early childhood education > war
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Iran, the worlds central banker of international terrorism, is close to getting nukes. A targeted campaign on their illicit nuke sites is imminent IMO.
For more than quarter of a century Western officials have claimed repeatedly that Iran is close to joining the nuclear club. Such a result is always declared "unacceptable" and a possible reason for military action, with "all options on the table" to prevent upsetting the Mideast strategic balance dominated by the US and Israel.
And yet, those predictions have time and again come and gone. This chronicle of past predictions lends historical perspective to today’s rhetoric about Iran.
1984: Soon after West German engineers visit the unfinished Bushehr nuclear reactor, Jane's Defence Weekly quotes West German intelligence sources saying that Iran's production of a bomb "is entering its final stages." US Senator Alan Cranston claims Iran is seven years away from making a weapon.
1992: Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon – and that the threat had to be "uprooted by an international front headed by the US."
1992: Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres tells French TV that Iran was set to have nuclear warheads by 1999. "Iran is the greatest threat and greatest problem in the Middle East," Peres warned, "because it seeks the nuclear option while holding a highly dangerous stance of extreme religious militanCY."
1992: Joseph Alpher, a former official of Israel's Mossad spy agency, says "Iran has to be identified as Enemy No. 1." Iran's nascent nuclear program, he told The New York Times, "really gives Israel the jitters."
Iran, the worlds central banker of international terrorism, is close to getting nukes. A targeted campaign on their illicit nuke sites is imminent IMO.
For more than quarter of a century Western officials have claimed repeatedly that Iran is close to joining the nuclear club. Such a result is always declared "unacceptable" and a possible reason for military action, with "all options on the table" to prevent upsetting the Mideast strategic balance dominated by the US and Israel.
And yet, those predictions have time and again come and gone. This chronicle of past predictions lends historical perspective to today’s rhetoric about Iran.
1984: Soon after West German engineers visit the unfinished Bushehr nuclear reactor, Jane's Defence Weekly quotes West German intelligence sources saying that Iran's production of a bomb "is entering its final stages." US Senator Alan Cranston claims Iran is seven years away from making a weapon.
1992: Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon – and that the threat had to be "uprooted by an international front headed by the US."
1992: Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres tells French TV that Iran was set to have nuclear warheads by 1999. "Iran is the greatest threat and greatest problem in the Middle East," Peres warned, "because it seeks the nuclear option while holding a highly dangerous stance of extreme religious militanCY."
1992: Joseph Alpher, a former official of Israel's Mossad spy agency, says "Iran has to be identified as Enemy No. 1." Iran's nascent nuclear program, he told The New York Times, "really gives Israel the jitters."
Those Iranians must be stupider than we all thought.
DO you have a list of the sanctions by year against Iran? If not I'll try to find a google machine around here.
You point is well made. The flip side is I'm wondering if any reaction to Iran (ie sanctions) have they helped push this back at all and is that the reason 1995-1999 is now into 2012 an later?
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as far as reagan quotes and bibi's rhetoric today goes...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
he needs us because if he attacks iran his neighbors will attack israel and israel is not equipped to wage a multifront war. so israel needs its "easy to manipulate", "lapdog" to protect it.
i say if you talk shit and threaten war and then start one, you are on your own.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
Romney: Military strike on Iran may be unnecessary
BOSTON — Mitt Romney says he doesn't believe military action will be necessary to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
The Republican presidential nominee says he discussed the issue with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by telephone Friday afternoon. [WHY???] Romney later told reporters traveling with him that it's unclear whether there is any difference between their so-called "red lines" on when launching military action against Iran would be appropriate.
Romney says he can't completely take the military option off the table because Iran needs to take the threat seriously. But he says he does not believe force will ultimately be needed.
Netanyahu argues that an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities may be the only answer.
President Barack Obama also spoke to Netanyahu on Friday.
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
So he didn't say that Israel would be eliminated then. He said that "During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated". Not quite the same thing as saying that Israel would be eliminated. But then I suppose you can twist anything to suit your agenda. Though it is strange how they only quoted one word in the first paragraph, and then posted the full sentence later which completely contradicts the original paragraph. Maybe they were counting on their readers having very short attention spans and not making it past the first few lines?
Iran's rial has lost nearly 40 percent of its value against the U.S. dollar in the past week. The rate Thursday — about 32,000 rials for the dollar — was a bit higher than the record low earlier this week.
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Yeah, people responsible for genocide are just great, aren't they?
usamamasan1, would you know where to look for Iran on a map?
These assholes better stay the fuck out of American politics. Fucking terrorists.
http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-lawmaker- ... 02777.html
JERUSALEM (AP) — A lawmaker from the Israeli prime minister's party is in the United States ahead of the presidential election and has said that President Barack Obama has "not been a friend of Israel."
Danny Danon, chairman of Likud's international outreach branch, said in Chicago on Tuesday that Obama's policies have been "catastrophic."
Danon said he will also travel to Florida and New York to promote his new book and to meet with Republican and Democratic leaders.
He says he is not interfering in the presidential race but merely stating his personal opinion. He has previously praised Mitt Romney.
But his comments could be embarrassing to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been trying to shed accusations that he favors his longtime friend Romney in the race for the White House.
bibi and romney are longtime business associates, so of course he is going to do anything he can to help romney aside from buying the election for him...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Their influence in this election is despicable. Could it be illegal as well?
Anyway, Fox News says they are our allies, so I guess they are!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
This is true. And sometimes with force. Gee, why do people hate us?
Israel's economy has been kept notably stable through years of international turmoil, thanks to Netanyahu's stance and that of the Bank of Israel
we gave them $3.8 billion worth of arms and military equipment last year that they did not have to pay for...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
anyway, i know all about iran and a map.
The way i understand it, if Israel hits the sites without their greatest ally, US, they can delay the bomb by ~2years. If US gives our ally Israel a hand ~4years. Either way, Iran is getting nuked up. Something has to give.
Sanctions are hurting innocent people. Targeted attacks on WMD facilities are probably more effective. Especially coming from a position of strength. I believe in America and I think our next President will lead from a position of strength and not passivity.
there are no targeted attacks. there is always collateral damage. israel is the schoolyard bully who is going to get his friends to help him fight because he is unwilling or unable to handle things when the target actually fights back. israel would not risk a larger scale war. their people do not want it. they have mandatory service for their young people. those people are going to be forced into a war that they don't want and it will backfire on them. that is why they need the US to help.
since you are a fiscal conservative, how can you reconcile your positions of fiscal responsibility and call for more war that can not be paid for? you can't. that position is not based on any reality and it is a pipe dream.
what you and romney do not realize is, the posturing romney is doing like he did yesterday and what you are doing on this message board is the exact reason that people in the rest of the world hate us. following bush and his cowboy policies, they have this impression of americans that bush embodied. now romney is going to personafy that image.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
after 11 years of endless war, thousands of americans dead, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, the desired outcomes have not been achieved, are you prepared to commit us to ANOTHER foreign war in that region?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/201 ... ction.html
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
Courtesy of 'Drowned Out':
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-E ... No.-1-1992
For more than quarter of a century Western officials have claimed repeatedly that Iran is close to joining the nuclear club. Such a result is always declared "unacceptable" and a possible reason for military action, with "all options on the table" to prevent upsetting the Mideast strategic balance dominated by the US and Israel.
And yet, those predictions have time and again come and gone. This chronicle of past predictions lends historical perspective to today’s rhetoric about Iran.
1984: Soon after West German engineers visit the unfinished Bushehr nuclear reactor, Jane's Defence Weekly quotes West German intelligence sources saying that Iran's production of a bomb "is entering its final stages." US Senator Alan Cranston claims Iran is seven years away from making a weapon.
1992: Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon – and that the threat had to be "uprooted by an international front headed by the US."
1992: Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres tells French TV that Iran was set to have nuclear warheads by 1999. "Iran is the greatest threat and greatest problem in the Middle East," Peres warned, "because it seeks the nuclear option while holding a highly dangerous stance of extreme religious militanCY."
1992: Joseph Alpher, a former official of Israel's Mossad spy agency, says "Iran has to be identified as Enemy No. 1." Iran's nascent nuclear program, he told The New York Times, "really gives Israel the jitters."
Those Iranians must be stupider than we all thought.
DO you have a list of the sanctions by year against Iran? If not I'll try to find a google machine around here.
You point is well made. The flip side is I'm wondering if any reaction to Iran (ie sanctions) have they helped push this back at all and is that the reason 1995-1999 is now into 2012 an later?