Israel, our ally.

badbrains

i'll bet if elected he would still keep giving israel 4-5 billion dollars a year in military aid... so there goes that budget cut... :roll:[/quote]

4-5 billion? I could've sworn it was $9BILLION! So you're saying 44 cut the budget some ey??? :roll:
THAT part of the budget will NEVER get cut by ANY president. PERIOD!!!!

gimmesometruth27

Drowned Out wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

Iran, the worlds central banker of international terrorism, is close to getting nukes. A targeted campaign on their illicit nuke sites is imminent IMO. Could be a blessing for the people of Iran. An opportunity to free itself!

http://video.foxnews.com/v/177512006300 ... an-thought

Less than a year ago, Ahmadinejad said, addressing Israel. "There is no room for you in the region."
How many times, in addition to this type of rhetoric has he said our ally needs to be wiped off the map?

Not the kind of place we can let have nukes so what to do?

I could find probably ten examples of people here showing you the mistranslation of this statement...so unless he has started using this line like a US election catchphrase...you cannot keep repeating the lie. At what point are we allowed to call this trolling? Seriously....this conversation has been done way too many times, it's pure bait to continue to bring up that quote again and again.

yeah that dead horse has been kicked a million times the last 3 years.

the american media has no interest in correcting that story for mass consumption because that disinformation stokes speculation about war, and that leads to news website clicks and $...

gimmesometruth27

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

here is a very good site. lots of info here.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

Obviously a site with an agenda, but a good collection of information. thanks.

the agenda is to tell the palestinian side of things. that site is to inform americans about what is happening because the people that run the site feel that if your average american knows what it is happening they might wake up and do something about it, like say, call your representatives. in this day and age, if you want to get your message across you have to have some sort of agenda.

since most american media has a boner for israel just like our politicians do, americans never get more than just a glossed over version of the story. that is why sites like this exist.

gimmesometruth27

and just to show how ignorant our congress is, when netanyahu spoke to congress he got 29 standing ovations. obama only got 25 in the state of the union address. and it is telling that bibi does not even get standing ovations in his own knesset..

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

here is a very good site. lots of info here.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

Obviously a site with an agenda, but a good collection of information. thanks.

the agenda is to tell the palestinian side of things. that site is to inform americans about what is happening because the people that run the site feel that if your average american knows what it is happening they might wake up and do something about it, like say, call your representatives. in this day and age, if you want to get your message across you have to have some sort of agenda.

since most american media has a boner for israel just like our politicians do, americans never get more than just a glossed over version of the story. that is why sites like this exist.

Right, it has an agenda. That's what I said. I also said it was a good collection of information.

gimmesometruth27

religious freedom?

equality?

yeah.

right...

Gaza Christians can pray in Israel, not Muslims: court

http://news.yahoo.com/gaza-christians-p ... 13815.html

An Israeli court on Tuesday backed an Israeli government policy of allowing Christians from the Gaza Strip to pray at Israeli and West Bank holy sites, and denying the enclave's Muslims the same right.

The Supreme Court rejected an appeal lodged by six Gaza Muslims and Israeli non-governmental organisation Gisha to challenge a ruling of the Beersheba District Court, which refused to intervene against the policy.

The six women were prevented from going to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Islam's third-holiest site in east Jerusalem, to pray during a Muslim festival.

They denounced the policy as discrimination in favour of Gaza's 3,000 Christians and against around 1.6 million Muslims in the coastal enclave.

The Israeli authorities justified on security grounds limitations on access to Muslims holy sites it imposes periodically through quotas, ages or residence conditions.


sounds about right when you compare gaza with certain areas in the us...

VivaPalestina

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

religious freedom?

equality?

yeah.

right...

Gaza Christians can pray in Israel, not Muslims: court

http://news.yahoo.com/gaza-christians-p ... 13815.html

An Israeli court on Tuesday backed an Israeli government policy of allowing Christians from the Gaza Strip to pray at Israeli and West Bank holy sites, and denying the enclave's Muslims the same right.

The Supreme Court rejected an appeal lodged by six Gaza Muslims and Israeli non-governmental organisation Gisha to challenge a ruling of the Beersheba District Court, which refused to intervene against the policy.

The six women were prevented from going to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Islam's third-holiest site in east Jerusalem, to pray during a Muslim festival.

They denounced the policy as discrimination in favour of Gaza's 3,000 Christians and against around 1.6 million Muslims in the coastal enclave.

The Israeli authorities justified on security grounds limitations on access to Muslims holy sites it imposes periodically through quotas, ages or residence conditions.


sounds about right when you compare gaza with certain areas in the us...

Hey gimme,

Just to add this, the Al-Aqsa and the area surrounding it, which includes the Dome of the Rock, is surrounded by the israeli occupying forces, and to get in, any Muslim must pass through them, they have the final say whether you enter or not, so for a Muslim during the month of Ramadan being told he can't go in to pray is sort of tantamount to telling a Christian he can't go the Holy Sepulchre or his own church on Easter. And age restrictions, such as no male under the age of 40, are usually placed when there are a lot of worshippers. I believe it is a form of crowd control, so if the iof decided to do something provoking as with the infamous Sharon visit, there would be less young men (those able and willing to revolt) they would have to deal with. That's the type of "security", ie control and oppression, the "israeli authorities" are referring to in the article.

gimmesometruth27

VivaPalestina wrote:

Hey gimme,

Just to add this, the Al-Aqsa and the area surrounding it, which includes the Dome of the Rock, is surrounded by the israeli occupying forces, and to get in, any Muslim must pass through them, they have the final say whether you enter or not, so for a Muslim during the month of Ramadan being told he can't go in to pray is sort of tantamount to telling a Christian he can't go the Holy Sepulchre or his own church on Easter. And age restrictions, such as no male under the age of 40, are usually placed when there are a lot of worshippers. I believe it is a form of crowd control, so if the iof decided to do something provoking as with the infamous Sharon visit, there would be less young men (those able and willing to revolt) they would have to deal with. That's the type of "security", ie control and oppression, the "israeli authorities" are referring to in the article.

that is absolutely insane. yet, we are still their ally :fp: :fp:

i definitely think the no men under 40 thing is definitely a form of crowd control, but i believe the motivation is even more prejudicial than what you stated. i think they only allow men over 40 because there are no suicide bombers over the age of 40. most men who want to be militants or suicide bombers don't make it to age 40 becasue they a, blow themselves up, or b, get thrown in jail for being a militant, or c, they get killed by the idf. the ones giving them the orders are over age 40...just my thoughts...

badbrains

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

VivaPalestina wrote:

Hey gimme,

Just to add this, the Al-Aqsa and the area surrounding it, which includes the Dome of the Rock, is surrounded by the israeli occupying forces, and to get in, any Muslim must pass through them, they have the final say whether you enter or not, so for a Muslim during the month of Ramadan being told he can't go in to pray is sort of tantamount to telling a Christian he can't go the Holy Sepulchre or his own church on Easter. And age restrictions, such as no male under the age of 40, are usually placed when there are a lot of worshippers. I believe it is a form of crowd control, so if the iof decided to do something provoking as with the infamous Sharon visit, there would be less young men (those able and willing to revolt) they would have to deal with. That's the type of "security", ie control and oppression, the "israeli authorities" are referring to in the article.

that is absolutely insane. yet, we are still their ally :fp: :fp:

i definitely think the no men under 40 thing is definitely a form of crowd control, but i believe the motivation is even more prejudicial than what you stated. i think they only allow men over 40 because there are no suicide bombers over the age of 40. most men who want to be militants or suicide bombers don't make it to age 40 becasue they a, blow themselves up, or b, get thrown in jail for being a militant, or c, they get killed by the idf. the ones giving them the orders are over age 40...just my thoughts...

Ally gimme??? I think u meant servant. Money talks in dc and unfortunately for the Palestinians, they dnt have much whereas Israel, well, they somehow have plenty....:roll:

Byrnzie

badbrains wrote:

Ally gimme??? I think u meant servant. Money talks in dc and unfortunately for the Palestinians, they dnt have much whereas Israel, well, they somehow have plenty....:roll:

Israel is pretty much just an off-shore military base for the U.S. They're also the biggest threat to World peace, and the main reason why every American is a target of terrorism.

As for Israel being an ally of the U.S, I disagree. Israeli's couldn't give a shit about America.

Netanyahu responding to Obama's calls for a two-state settlement along the 1967 border, in line with the international consensus: “This guy doesn’t get it, does he?”

Also, anyone remember when the Israeli's sank the U.S.S Liberty killing 34 Americans and wounding 170?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Some ally!

dkast85

I love Israel and I'm looking forward to visiting them on birthright.

Byrnzie

dkast85 wrote:

I love Israel and I'm looking forward to visiting them on birthright.

That's a strange first post on a Pearl Jam message board.

Anyway, what's birthright? :?

peacefrompaul

usamamasan1 wrote:

AMT,

It was a deeply moving experience to be in Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, last week.

You can't get much closer to the ideals and convictions of the United States than you do in Israel. We're part of the great fellowship of democracies. We speak the same language of freedom and justice and believe in the right of every person to live in peace.

The story of how America -- a nation still so new to the world by the standards of this ancient region -- rose up to become the dear friend of the people of Israel is among the finest and most hopeful in our nation's history. Israel and America are in many respects reflections of one another, and I am happy America has such a great friend and ally.

Check out my new video on Israel, our ally: https://secure.mittromney.com/donate/a-cherished-ally

Thanks,

Mitt Romney




WOOT

Bulldozing homes, the constant shelling, the theft of another's land based off of some ancient written papers... I don't know, man...

dkast85

Byrnzie wrote:

dkast85 wrote:

I love Israel and I'm looking forward to visiting them on birthright.

That's a strange first post on a Pearl Jam message board.

Anyway, what's birthright? :?

haha my goal was for my first post on this board to be about something non related to PJ.

Birthright is basically a free trip to Israel to learn about the culture and live in Israel for 10 days. But you have to have some Jewish ancestry.

gimmesometruth27

dkast85 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

dkast85 wrote:

I love Israel and I'm looking forward to visiting them on birthright.

That's a strange first post on a Pearl Jam message board.

Anyway, what's birthright? :?

haha my goal was for my first post on this board to be about something non related to PJ.

Birthright is basically a free trip to Israel to learn about the culture and live in Israel for 10 days. But you have to have some Jewish ancestry.

i have heard of birthright. when do you get to go and what parts will you be seeing?

anyway welcome to the forums. it can get a little crazy in this one at times though.

dkast85

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i have heard of birthright. when do you get to go and what parts will you be seeing?

anyway welcome to the forums. it can get a little crazy in this one at times though.

as of now i am going in december. I'll be staying in Jerusalem. But i'll be traveling around in the 10 days that i am there.

Thank you for the welcome. I'm a regular on the Warehouse forums and thought i'd join in on the 10C forums.

Johnny Abruzzo

Thanks to all the knowledgeable people here for giving me some education on Israel. You'd never know any of this shit from our inept media.

Newch91

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Thanks to all the knowledgeable people here for giving me some education on Israel. You'd never know any of this shit from our inept media.

Agreed. Got a little bit better understanding of our supposed "alliance" with Israel.

peacefrompaul

While drone bombing our way through the Middle East it is certainly comforting to know we will always have a friend in Israel.

.......

:shock:

MookiesLaw

usamamasan1 wrote:

This thread is about Israel, our ally.

What are your thoughts on Operation Susannah, (The Lavon Affair)?