Israel, our ally.

kenny olav

People need to be done with being Jews, Christians and Muslims and just be people.

cincybearcat

kenny olav wrote:

People need to be done with being Jews, Christians and Muslims and just be people.

Yeah, I'm ok with them being Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc. but they should be people 1st.

Though, religion has been around a really long time, so I don't think it is going anywhere.

polaris_x

cincybearcat wrote:

Yeah, I'm ok with them being Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc. but they should be people 1st.

Though, religion has been around a really long time, so I don't think it is going anywhere.

participation in organized religion is dropping worldwide ... hence only the hard core still do it and why it appears the extremists are taking over ...

VivaPalestina

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

VivaPalestina wrote:

Hey gimme,

Just to add this, the Al-Aqsa and the area surrounding it, which includes the Dome of the Rock, is surrounded by the israeli occupying forces, and to get in, any Muslim must pass through them, they have the final say whether you enter or not, so for a Muslim during the month of Ramadan being told he can't go in to pray is sort of tantamount to telling a Christian he can't go the Holy Sepulchre or his own church on Easter. And age restrictions, such as no male under the age of 40, are usually placed when there are a lot of worshippers. I believe it is a form of crowd control, so if the iof decided to do something provoking as with the infamous Sharon visit, there would be less young men (those able and willing to revolt) they would have to deal with. That's the type of "security", ie control and oppression, the "israeli authorities" are referring to in the article.

that is absolutely insane. yet, we are still their ally :fp: :fp:

i definitely think the no men under 40 thing is definitely a form of crowd control, but i believe the motivation is even more prejudicial than what you stated. i think they only allow men over 40 because there are no suicide bombers over the age of 40. most men who want to be militants or suicide bombers don't make it to age 40 becasue they a, blow themselves up, or b, get thrown in jail for being a militant, or c, they get killed by the idf. the ones giving them the orders are over age 40...just my thoughts...

Those are really good points...i think you are right on it.

usamamasan1

An Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear program could trigger a bloody monthlong war on multiple fronts, killing hundreds of Israelis or more, the Israeli Cabinet's civil defense chief warned in an interview published Wednesday.

It was the most explicit assessment yet of how the government sees events unfolding in the aftermath of an Israeli attack.

Matan Vilnai, who is stepping down as the "home front" Cabinet minister to become Israel's ambassador to China, described the scenarios to Israel's Maariv daily at a time of heightened debate about the Iranian nuclear threat.

Vilnai, a retired general who was deputy military chief of staff, has spent the past five years overseeing upgrades of Israel's civil defense systems, including air-raid sirens, bomb shelters and a public alert system.

In the Maariv interview, Vilnai said "the home front is ready as never before." Nonetheless, he said the country must be braced for heavy casualties in the case of conflict with Iran.

Vilnai said the government has prepared for the possibility of hundreds of rockets and missiles falling on Israeli population centers each day, with the expectation of 500 deaths.

"It could be that there will be fewer fatalities, but it could be there will be more. That is the scenario that we are preparing for according to the best experts," he said. "The assessments are for a war that will last 30 days on a number of fronts."

Israel is convinced that archenemy Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons, dismissing Tehran's claims that its nuclear program is for civilian purposes. Israel considers nuclear-armed Iran to be a mortal danger. Israel's leaders have indicated an attack is a possibility if they conclude the international community has failed to halt the Iranian program.

Vilnai did not elaborate on how he reached his assessments, but his office relies on intelligence and other assessments about Iranian weapons capabilities and Israeli susceptibility. Defense Minister Ehud Barak has also said the Israeli death toll could be in the range of 500 in such a conflict.

"Just as the citizens of Japan have to realize that they can have earthquakes, so the citizens of Israel have to realize that if they live here, they have to be prepared to expect missiles on the home front," Vilnai said. "It's not pleasant for the home front, but decisions have to be made, and we have to be ready."
Vilnai has made similar comments in other media outlets in recent days.

At a news briefing in Washington on Tuesday, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta reaffirmed the U.S. assessment that Israel has not yet decided whether to strike, while the U.S. military chief, Gen. Martin Dempsey, echoed a widely held assessment that an Israeli operation would only set back, not destroy, Iran's nuclear project.

Vilnai was stepping down Wednesday to take up his new post in China. He is being replaced by a former internal security service chief, Avi Dichter.

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

An Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear program could trigger a bloody monthlong war on multiple fronts, killing hundreds of Israelis or more, the Israeli Cabinet's civil defense chief warned in an interview published Wednesday.

It was the most explicit assessment yet of how the government sees events unfolding in the aftermath of an Israeli attack.

Matan Vilnai, who is stepping down as the "home front" Cabinet minister to become Israel's ambassador to China, described the scenarios to Israel's Maariv daily at a time of heightened debate about the Iranian nuclear threat.

Vilnai, a retired general who was deputy military chief of staff, has spent the past five years overseeing upgrades of Israel's civil defense systems, including air-raid sirens, bomb shelters and a public alert system.

In the Maariv interview, Vilnai said "the home front is ready as never before." Nonetheless, he said the country must be braced for heavy casualties in the case of conflict with Iran.

Vilnai said the government has prepared for the possibility of hundreds of rockets and missiles falling on Israeli population centers each day, with the expectation of 500 deaths.

"It could be that there will be fewer fatalities, but it could be there will be more. That is the scenario that we are preparing for according to the best experts," he said. "The assessments are for a war that will last 30 days on a number of fronts."

Israel is convinced that archenemy Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons, dismissing Tehran's claims that its nuclear program is for civilian purposes. Israel considers nuclear-armed Iran to be a mortal danger. Israel's leaders have indicated an attack is a possibility if they conclude the international community has failed to halt the Iranian program.

Vilnai did not elaborate on how he reached his assessments, but his office relies on intelligence and other assessments about Iranian weapons capabilities and Israeli susceptibility. Defense Minister Ehud Barak has also said the Israeli death toll could be in the range of 500 in such a conflict.

"Just as the citizens of Japan have to realize that they can have earthquakes, so the citizens of Israel have to realize that if they live here, they have to be prepared to expect missiles on the home front," Vilnai said. "It's not pleasant for the home front, but decisions have to be made, and we have to be ready."
Vilnai has made similar comments in other media outlets in recent days.

At a news briefing in Washington on Tuesday, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta reaffirmed the U.S. assessment that Israel has not yet decided whether to strike, while the U.S. military chief, Gen. Martin Dempsey, echoed a widely held assessment that an Israeli operation would only set back, not destroy, Iran's nuclear project.

Vilnai was stepping down Wednesday to take up his new post in China. He is being replaced by a former internal security service chief, Avi Dichter.

Is all this talk of war making you giddy with excitement?

gimmesometruth27

Byrnzie wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

An Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear program could trigger a bloody monthlong war on multiple fronts, killing hundreds of Israelis or more, the Israeli Cabinet's civil defense chief warned in an interview published Wednesday.

It was the most explicit assessment yet of how the government sees events unfolding in the aftermath of an Israeli attack.

Matan Vilnai, who is stepping down as the "home front" Cabinet minister to become Israel's ambassador to China, described the scenarios to Israel's Maariv daily at a time of heightened debate about the Iranian nuclear threat.

Vilnai, a retired general who was deputy military chief of staff, has spent the past five years overseeing upgrades of Israel's civil defense systems, including air-raid sirens, bomb shelters and a public alert system.

In the Maariv interview, Vilnai said "the home front is ready as never before." Nonetheless, he said the country must be braced for heavy casualties in the case of conflict with Iran.

Vilnai said the government has prepared for the possibility of hundreds of rockets and missiles falling on Israeli population centers each day, with the expectation of 500 deaths.

"It could be that there will be fewer fatalities, but it could be there will be more. That is the scenario that we are preparing for according to the best experts," he said. "The assessments are for a war that will last 30 days on a number of fronts."

Israel is convinced that archenemy Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons, dismissing Tehran's claims that its nuclear program is for civilian purposes. Israel considers nuclear-armed Iran to be a mortal danger. Israel's leaders have indicated an attack is a possibility if they conclude the international community has failed to halt the Iranian program.

Vilnai did not elaborate on how he reached his assessments, but his office relies on intelligence and other assessments about Iranian weapons capabilities and Israeli susceptibility. Defense Minister Ehud Barak has also said the Israeli death toll could be in the range of 500 in such a conflict.

"Just as the citizens of Japan have to realize that they can have earthquakes, so the citizens of Israel have to realize that if they live here, they have to be prepared to expect missiles on the home front," Vilnai said. "It's not pleasant for the home front, but decisions have to be made, and we have to be ready."
Vilnai has made similar comments in other media outlets in recent days.

At a news briefing in Washington on Tuesday, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta reaffirmed the U.S. assessment that Israel has not yet decided whether to strike, while the U.S. military chief, Gen. Martin Dempsey, echoed a widely held assessment that an Israeli operation would only set back, not destroy, Iran's nuclear project.

Vilnai was stepping down Wednesday to take up his new post in China. He is being replaced by a former internal security service chief, Avi Dichter.

Is all this talk of war making you giddy with excitement?

all i know is like brian fantana, "i am VERY aroused..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwljKo0yeoA

usamamasan1

Please. This is a serious topic.
Colluding trolls.

gimmesometruth27

usamamasan1 wrote:

Please. This is a serious topic.
Colluding trolls.

serious about cheerleading a potential war that you are not gonna fight it. you are making a mockery of the situation over there...

i have never heard of a troll calling others trolls before. but keep it up though because it is entertaining.

usamamasan1

This thread is no joke. Please, stay on topic.

gimmesometruth27

war cheerleader...

usamamasan1

Cheerleader?

Are you familiar with this gig?

gimmesometruth27

war cheerleaders...

usamamasan1

So cute.

Can't handle the truth.

gimmesometruth27

iranian citizens, potential casualties of war. look at them. if the above people and the op have their way, many of them will be memories. and i am the one making a joke of this thread???

usamamasan1

Absolutely
Appears to be the case. Nobody wants innocent civilians dead (other than terrorists of course). So sensational you are.

Iran is the central bank of terror. The govt and nuke ambitions must be thwarted so the people of Iran can thrive in freedom.
And our ally, Israel can try to live in peace in this cruel, evil world of hate and terror

gimmesometruth27

usamamasan1 wrote:

Appears to be the case. Nobody wants innocent civilians dead (other than terrorists of course). So sensational you are.

Iran is the central bank of terror. The govt and nuke ambitions must be thwarted so the people of Iran can thrive in freedom.
And our ally, Israel can try to live in peace in this cruel, evil world of hate and terror

i'm being sensational?

at least i am not cheering for the murder of potentially hundreds of thousands of people...

and like everyone keeps saying, israel, through their oppressive policies and manipulating of the us government has made its own bed.

usamamasan1

"Everyone" keeps saying? Your barometer is AMT. now , that calls for a lol emoticon.
Even a head slap emoticon.

It's ok though, that's why I'm here...

To help

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

Absolutely
Appears to be the case. Nobody wants innocent civilians dead (other than terrorists of course). So sensational you are.

Iran is the central bank of terror. The govt and nuke ambitions must be thwarted so the people of Iran can thrive in freedom.
And our ally, Israel can try to live in peace in this cruel, evil world of hate and terror

Newch91

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

war cheerleaders...

...A Washington insider and someone who deferred to France four times during Vietnam. No military experience at all between the two and these are the two people who want to start a "war" against Iran? :fp: Better find a way to pay for it if they get elected.

Honestly, why do we have to dragged into this? What good will it do for us? What do we have to gain in all of this? NOTHING. Let Israel defend itself.