Really?? So average Americans are paying 30% of their income to taxes, thus hindering their ability to afford a decent lifestyle, and hence sacrificing WAY more by paying those taxes, while filthy rich people are only paying 14% and not sacrificing anything when it comes to maintaining their lifestyle or being able to afford things? You don't understand how that matters? So the poor just get poorer, and rich keep getting richer, and that's fine?
yep, that's exactly what I said. :fp:
I'm 100% in favor of a flat income tax.
Oh... Sorry. I didn't get that AT ALL from your previous post... A flat rate is about the %.
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Really?? So average Americans are paying 30% of their income to taxes, thus hindering their ability to afford a decent lifestyle, and hence sacrificing WAY more by paying those taxes, while filthy rich people are only paying 14% and not sacrificing anything when it comes to maintaining their lifestyle or being able to afford things? You don't understand how that matters? So the poor just get poorer, and rich keep getting richer, and that's fine?
yep, that's exactly what I said. :fp:
I'm 100% in favor of a flat income tax.
Oh... Sorry. I didn't get that AT ALL from your previous post... A flat rate is about the %.
Yeah, it's my bad, I should have added it. Because you are right, it is all about %. My point though is I don't think you can look at income tax % by itself. And I do think the amount people pay matters. I mean, what % of $ that Romney makes each year was already taxed once and it's just investment earnings, etc? I may be way off base though.
I think you need to protect investment earnings, while still figuring out how to make sure that the ones with all the $ now aren't the only ones really getting the benefit from that. I'd be fine with a set amount of investment earnings, etc per year that are not taxed or taxed VERY LITTLE. And then once you are above that, you pay a certain %.
It's a complicated subject and I'm an idiot today (I know, most days) and am having difficulty translating my thoughts into actual readable text. :?
Your point is valid that the system is broken. I mean, just look at how much money has to be raised to run for president!!! I'm just saying, there are a few other reasons that reasonable people would consider voting for Romney. Heck, #1 is that they just won't vote for the incumbent and the gov't gets it shit together.
sorry dude ... we've been through this i think plenty ... romney is a self-serving rich guy ... the guy has zero integrity and zero knowledge of things that matter ... he is the epitome of what is awful in politics ... voting for him because you don't like the other guy is akin to jumping off a cliff because you don't like the stairs ...
yes ... obama is not good ... but if people really want change - voting in this ahole is not gonna do it one bit ...
Hahahaha, I know but some new person may be reading today so I can;t let you get away with your bs.
Oh, and before you reply, I'm joking about bs. It's just your point of view.
I mean, what % of $ that Romney makes each year was already taxed once and it's just investment earnings, etc? I may be way off base though.
That's a good point with dividends taxation; dividends paid to individuals are double taxed (at corporate and indiv level). Romney's income is mostly capital gains, which is different. Whether or not capital gains are double taxed is a murkier issue, but I would imagine Bain's & Willard's accountants do a good job of avoiding that.
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Your point is valid that the system is broken. I mean, just look at how much money has to be raised to run for president!!! I'm just saying, there are a few other reasons that reasonable people would consider voting for Romney. Heck, #1 is that they just won't vote for the incumbent and the gov't gets it shit together.
sorry dude ... we've been through this i think plenty ... romney is a self-serving rich guy ... the guy has zero integrity and zero knowledge of things that matter ... he is the epitome of what is awful in politics ... voting for him because you don't like the other guy is akin to jumping off a cliff because you don't like the stairs ...
yes ... obama is not good ... but if people really want change - voting in this ahole is not gonna do it one bit ...
Hahahaha, I know but some new person may be reading today so I can;t let you get away with your bs.
Oh, and before you reply, I'm joking about bs. It's just your point of view.
I'm sure that last sentence will appease the moderators. Good job.
Why is romney unlikable? easy-both the left and right thinks he's an a-hole. this guy has to be the least liked nominee in US history. he is the embodiment of a political hack, see below w/quips from fox nicely edited but wtf.
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I realize it's hard for some people to believe that a man who managed to be a governor could be THIS out of touch, and therefore refuse to believe it, but I think that all signs point towards the fact that his brain is incapable of even grasping what being in touch with the average American is.
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How can you be considered out of touch when you are visiting a person who has reports from 54 individual farms? Do you want someone there for a photo op or do you want them there to get a better overall assessment of the problem at hand?
How can you be considered out of touch when you are visiting a person who has reports from 54 individual farms? Do you want someone there for a photo op or do you want them there to get a better overall assessment of the problem at hand?
I'm under the impression that the point of this kind of visit is to show off how he gives a shit about independent farmers who are struggling badly right now... So he should have visited an independent farmer who is struggling badly right now so he could learn what it is those farmers are going through and what they need for things to improve. Instead he went and hung out with a rich person who isn't struggling at all and doesn't need help. He learned nothing that will help those who need help.
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Personally, I think that article is just another attempt at creating a distraction. What a dumbass writer.
And I like how he uses it to nail Mitt while trying ever so hard to not vilify the farmer who has become successful, but you can see what he really thinks.
I'd like to know, how many people work for that farmer? How do they feel about their work and their boss? I bet they sure like him taking the issue up with a presidential candidate.
He's the deal, Romney is out of touch with the common man/woman...so is Obama. They all are. So, let's stop the nonsense and see where they stand on this issues.
Personally, I think that article is just another attempt at creating a distraction. What a dumbass writer.
And I like how he uses it to nail Mitt while trying ever so hard to not vilify the farmer who has become successful, but you can see what he really thinks.
I'd like to know, how many people work for that farmer? How do they feel about their work and their boss? I bet they sure like him taking the issue up with a presidential candidate.
He's the deal, Romney is out of touch with the common man/woman...so is Obama. They all are. So, let's stop the nonsense and see where they stand on this issues.
Right on Hippie Mom !!! "something's going on around here,what it is isn't exactly clear"
How can you be considered out of touch when you are visiting a person who has reports from 54 individual farms? Do you want someone there for a photo op or do you want them there to get a better overall assessment of the problem at hand?
I'm under the impression that the point of this kind of visit is to show off how he gives a shit about independent farmers who are struggling badly right now... So he should have visited an independent farmer who is struggling badly right now so he could learn what it is those farmers are going through and what they need for things to improve. Instead he went and hung out with a rich person who isn't struggling at all and doesn't need help. He learned nothing that will help those who need help.
One bad year can wipe out a big farmer just as easily as a small farmer. If he has 24,000 acres and on an average year each acre produces 170 bushels of corn per acre, that equals 4,080,000 bushels of corn. Right now the forecast in Iowa is trending towards 122 bushels per acre (2,928,000 bushel total). That is net loss of 1,152,000 bushels.
Corn is about $8 / bushel, so that is a total net loss of $9,216,000 in potential earnings. And that is based if each farm an average 400-500 acres in size.
Anywho, we all know both Romney and Obama are out kissing babies and stealing their lollypops. What I hope they are both really trying to understand how the total overall net loss of 1.5 billion bushels of corn and the projected loss of 2.2 billion bushels of lost feed supply is going to affect the economy.
But it's more likely they only care about getting votes, thus trying to appeal to voters.
I actually sincerely believe that Obama is basically a good person, and that Romney is an asshole.
And not because of what party they play for (there are other Democrat presidents who were assholes, hello Clinton). I just think that Obama's a good guy in a tough position from what I've observed and intuited.
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I actually sincerely believe that Obama is basically a good person, and that Romney is an asshole.
And not because of what party they play for (there are other Democrat presidents who were assholes, hello Clinton). I just think that Obama's a good guy in a tough position from what I've observed and intuited.
I agree. I believe Obama wants to make changes to help the american people have a better life. I just don't get the same sense from Romney.
I actually sincerely believe that Obama is basically a good person, and that Romney is an asshole.
And not because of what party they play for (there are other Democrat presidents who were assholes, hello Clinton). I just think that Obama's a good guy in a tough position from what I've observed and intuited.
I've kinda thought the same thing a few times. But there is one thing I really think Mitt has going for him -- he has a good voice. He could be great on the radio or as a cartoon giraffe in an animated movie or something. I'm just trying to be positive today.
How can you be considered out of touch when you are visiting a person who has reports from 54 individual farms? Do you want someone there for a photo op or do you want them there to get a better overall assessment of the problem at hand?
I'm under the impression that the point of this kind of visit is to show off how he gives a shit about independent farmers who are struggling badly right now... So he should have visited an independent farmer who is struggling badly right now so he could learn what it is those farmers are going through and what they need for things to improve. Instead he went and hung out with a rich person who isn't struggling at all and doesn't need help. He learned nothing that will help those who need help.
Not to mention the guy is getting government subsidies of $154,000 last year. That's what pisses me off.
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Yeah, it's my bad, I should have added it. Because you are right, it is all about %. My point though is I don't think you can look at income tax % by itself. And I do think the amount people pay matters. I mean, what % of $ that Romney makes each year was already taxed once and it's just investment earnings, etc? I may be way off base though.
I think you need to protect investment earnings, while still figuring out how to make sure that the ones with all the $ now aren't the only ones really getting the benefit from that. I'd be fine with a set amount of investment earnings, etc per year that are not taxed or taxed VERY LITTLE. And then once you are above that, you pay a certain %.
It's a complicated subject and I'm an idiot today (I know, most days) and am having difficulty translating my thoughts into actual readable text. :?
Hahahaha, I know but some new person may be reading today so I can;t let you get away with your bs.
Oh, and before you reply, I'm joking about bs. It's just your point of view.
That's a good point with dividends taxation; dividends paid to individuals are double taxed (at corporate and indiv level). Romney's income is mostly capital gains, which is different. Whether or not capital gains are double taxed is a murkier issue, but I would imagine Bain's & Willard's accountants do a good job of avoiding that.
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I'm sure that last sentence will appease the moderators. Good job.
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I disagree with Polaris a lot, but respect him. It was a joke, but I can see that you have no ability to detect humor at all.
Another personal attack. Good job. Though you forgot to add a
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completely out of touch
I realize it's hard for some people to believe that a man who managed to be a governor could be THIS out of touch, and therefore refuse to believe it, but I think that all signs point towards the fact that his brain is incapable of even grasping what being in touch with the average American is.
Unreal.
And I like how he uses it to nail Mitt while trying ever so hard to not vilify the farmer who has become successful, but you can see what he really thinks.
I'd like to know, how many people work for that farmer? How do they feel about their work and their boss? I bet they sure like him taking the issue up with a presidential candidate.
He's the deal, Romney is out of touch with the common man/woman...so is Obama. They all are. So, let's stop the nonsense and see where they stand on this issues.
Right on Hippie Mom !!! "something's going on around here,what it is isn't exactly clear"
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Corn is about $8 / bushel, so that is a total net loss of $9,216,000 in potential earnings. And that is based if each farm an average 400-500 acres in size.
Anywho, we all know both Romney and Obama are out kissing babies and stealing their lollypops. What I hope they are both really trying to understand how the total overall net loss of 1.5 billion bushels of corn and the projected loss of 2.2 billion bushels of lost feed supply is going to affect the economy.
But it's more likely they only care about getting votes, thus trying to appeal to voters.
And not because of what party they play for (there are other Democrat presidents who were assholes, hello Clinton). I just think that Obama's a good guy in a tough position from what I've observed and intuited.
I agree. I believe Obama wants to make changes to help the american people have a better life. I just don't get the same sense from Romney.
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I've kinda thought the same thing a few times. But there is one thing I really think Mitt has going for him -- he has a good voice. He could be great on the radio or as a cartoon giraffe in an animated movie or something. I'm just trying to be positive today.
Not to mention the guy is getting government subsidies of $154,000 last year. That's what pisses me off.