Interesting that Obama changed his giving so much after being president. Also interesting that almost all of Romney's substantial gifting goes to the Mormon church alone.
Interesting that Obama changed his giving so much after being president. Also interesting that almost all of Romney's substantial gifting goes to the Mormon church alone.
I think we're talking about taxes here, not charity. Charity doesn't help to pay for a decent health care system, teachers' salaries, or even for funding wars. Taxes aren't about charity. The conversation about taxes is about decent tax legislation. The point is that the very rich don't pay their fair share of taxes, and the man who could be influencing tax legislation and who likes to say he will help regular Americans will get extreme personal monetary benefit by making sure that the very rich continue to not pay their fair share, while regular Americans continue to pay more than their fair share. But I think you all know that already.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think we're talking about taxes here, not charity. Charity doesn't help to pay for a decent health care system, teachers' salaries, or even for funding wars. Taxes aren't about charity. The conversation about taxes is about decent tax legislation. The point is that the very rich don't pay their fair share of taxes, and the man who could be influencing tax legislation and who likes to say he will help regular Americans will get extreme personal monetary benefit by making sure that the very rich continue to not pay their fair share, while regular Americans continue to pay more than their fair share. But I think you all know that already.
really ... the fact someone is considering voting for this guy just goes to show how this process has been corrupted ...
Interesting that Obama changed his giving so much after being president. Also interesting that almost all of Romney's substantial gifting goes to the Mormon church alone.
I think we're talking about taxes here, not charity. Charity doesn't help to pay for a decent health care system, teachers' salaries, or even for funding wars. Taxes aren't about charity. The conversation about taxes is about decent tax legislation. The point is that the very rich don't pay their fair share of taxes, and the man who could be influencing tax legislation and who likes to say he will help regular Americans will get extreme personal monetary benefit by making sure that the very rich continue to not pay their fair share, while regular Americans continue to pay more than their fair share. But I think you all know that already.
Actually the thread is about Mitt Romney being unlikable. So you may be talking just about taxes, but that's not the only topic allowed in the thread.
The point is that the very rich don't pay their fair share of taxes, and the man who could be influencing tax legislation and who likes to say he will help regular Americans will get extreme personal monetary benefit by making sure that the very rich continue to not pay their fair share, while regular Americans continue to pay more than their fair share. But I think you all know that already.
You sure use fair share alot, wonder where you got that rhetoric.
Well, partially. It also speaks to the opposition. And the current state of affairs.
yes ... partially ...
Your point is valid that the system is broken. I mean, just look at how much money has to be raised to run for president!!! I'm just saying, there are a few other reasons that reasonable people would consider voting for Romney. Heck, #1 is that they just won't vote for the incumbent and the gov't gets it shit together.
Interesting that Obama changed his giving so much after being president. Also interesting that almost all of Romney's substantial gifting goes to the Mormon church alone.
I think we're talking about taxes here, not charity. Charity doesn't help to pay for a decent health care system, teachers' salaries, or even for funding wars. Taxes aren't about charity. The conversation about taxes is about decent tax legislation. The point is that the very rich don't pay their fair share of taxes, and the man who could be influencing tax legislation and who likes to say he will help regular Americans will get extreme personal monetary benefit by making sure that the very rich continue to not pay their fair share, while regular Americans continue to pay more than their fair share. But I think you all know that already.
Actually the thread is about Mitt Romney being unlikable. So you may be talking just about taxes, but that's not the only topic allowed in the thread.
No, I know... I was just talking about the current little conversation here. (note: I wasn't the one who posted the thing about the 14% taxes... I just jumped in. ).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Come on. You really didn't understand what was meant by that? Because it was in plain English. :roll: Is this how Republicans spin?
No I know what you wrote, I just don't understand how people are so stuck on % rather than total $.
Really?? So average Americans are paying 30% of their income to taxes, thus hindering their ability to afford a decent lifestyle, and hence sacrificing WAY more by paying those taxes, while filthy rich people are only paying 14% and not sacrificing anything when it comes to maintaining their lifestyle or being able to afford things? You don't understand how that matters? So the poor just get poorer, and rich keep getting richer, and that's fine?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I know, my favorite Rep argument (my sister-in-law threw this one out there). Well 14% of however many millions is way more than 30% of your measly salary, so he pays way more than you. :fp:
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Well, partially. It also speaks to the opposition. And the current state of affairs.
yes ... partially ...
Your point is valid that the system is broken. I mean, just look at how much money has to be raised to run for president!!! I'm just saying, there are a few other reasons that reasonable people would consider voting for Romney. Heck, #1 is that they just won't vote for the incumbent and the gov't gets it shit together.
I think I find it surprising that anyone thinks Romney can somehow make things better, when in fact he'll make things worse, at least as far as the great majority of Americans are concerned ... Although the Democrats probably wouldn't make it their one and only objective to oppose everything Romney supports just out of spite, like Congress does now. Which is ironic... It's really the Republican Congress that has fucked everything up, because their priority has been to oppose the President rather than help Americans and make things better for them... and people want to vote THAT into the White House now. What a mess! :fp:
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Your point is valid that the system is broken. I mean, just look at how much money has to be raised to run for president!!! I'm just saying, there are a few other reasons that reasonable people would consider voting for Romney. Heck, #1 is that they just won't vote for the incumbent and the gov't gets it shit together.
sorry dude ... we've been through this i think plenty ... romney is a self-serving rich guy ... the guy has zero integrity and zero knowledge of things that matter ... he is the epitome of what is awful in politics ... voting for him because you don't like the other guy is akin to jumping off a cliff because you don't like the stairs ...
yes ... obama is not good ... but if people really want change - voting in this ahole is not gonna do it one bit ...
I know, my favorite Rep argument (my sister-in-law threw this one out there). Well 14% of however many millions is way more than 30% of your measly salary, so he pays way more than you. :fp:
Give me his salary and I'll pay 60% and not even think about it. It's just about greed that these guys fight to keep millions and billions they can never spend while most of us are suffering to pay the bills.
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I know, my favorite Rep argument (my sister-in-law threw this one out there). Well 14% of however many millions is way more than 30% of your measly salary, so he pays way more than you. :fp:
Give me his salary and I'll pay 60% and not even think about it. It's just about greed that these guys fight to keep millions and billions they can never spend while most of us are suffering to pay the bills.
And he gives SOOOO much money to "charity" (thanks Mrs. Romney). (pretty much all of it to his church, which uses the money to do what? send kids to France to get converts and keep them out of the draft?)
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I know, my favorite Rep argument (my sister-in-law threw this one out there). Well 14% of however many millions is way more than 30% of your measly salary, so he pays way more than you. :fp:
Give me his salary and I'll pay 60% and not even think about it. It's just about greed that these guys fight to keep millions and billions they can never spend while most of us are suffering to pay the bills.
And he gives SOOOO much money to "charity" (thanks Mrs. Romney). (pretty much all of it to his church, which uses the money to do what? send kids to France to get converts and keep them out of the draft?)
They also spend millions to keep gays from marrying.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
I know, my favorite Rep argument (my sister-in-law threw this one out there). Well 14% of however many millions is way more than 30% of your measly salary, so he pays way more than you. :fp:
Give me his salary and I'll pay 60% and not even think about it. It's just about greed that these guys fight to keep millions and billions they can never spend while most of us are suffering to pay the bills.
And he gives SOOOO much money to "charity" (thanks Mrs. Romney). (pretty much all of it to his church, which uses the money to do what? send kids to France to get converts and keep them out of the draft?)
Totally. I don't give a shit about charity that goes to the Mormon Church. Give it to people who actually need it, and maybe my opinion of him will go up by 1 or 2%.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Totally. I don't give a shit about charity that goes to the Mormon Church. Give it to people who actually need it, and maybe my opinion of him will go up by 1 or 2%.
All Mormons give a tithe of 10% to the church.
I remember when I got out of school and left town, I was looking at joining a church. They made it clear that they expected 10% of my salary to which I was thinking "are you fucking nuts?". Needless to say, I didn't go back ... papa needed a brand-new surfboard.
Totally. I don't give a shit about charity that goes to the Mormon Church. Give it to people who actually need it, and maybe my opinion of him will go up by 1 or 2%.
All Mormons give a tithe of 10% to the church.
I remember when I got out of school and left town, I was looking at joining a church. They made it clear that they expected 10% of my salary to which I was thinking "are you fucking nuts?". Needless to say, I didn't go back ... papa needed a brand-new surfboard.
That'd put quite the pinch into my wine purchases. Guess Willard doesn't have to worry about that.
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Really?? So average Americans are paying 30% of their income to taxes, thus hindering their ability to afford a decent lifestyle, and hence sacrificing WAY more by paying those taxes, while filthy rich people are only paying 14% and not sacrificing anything when it comes to maintaining their lifestyle or being able to afford things? You don't understand how that matters? So the poor just get poorer, and rich keep getting richer, and that's fine?
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Yeah, this I don't understand.
http://nation.foxnews.com/mitt-romney/2 ... ey-gave-15
but then there's more recently:
http://www.startribune.com/local/148592695.html?refer=y
Interesting that Obama changed his giving so much after being president. Also interesting that almost all of Romney's substantial gifting goes to the Mormon church alone.
No I know what you wrote, I just don't understand how people are so stuck on % rather than total $.
really ... the fact someone is considering voting for this guy just goes to show how this process has been corrupted ...
Actually the thread is about Mitt Romney being unlikable. So you may be talking just about taxes, but that's not the only topic allowed in the thread.
You sure use fair share alot, wonder where you got that rhetoric.
Well, partially. It also speaks to the opposition. And the current state of affairs.
yes ... partially ...
Your point is valid that the system is broken. I mean, just look at how much money has to be raised to run for president!!! I'm just saying, there are a few other reasons that reasonable people would consider voting for Romney. Heck, #1 is that they just won't vote for the incumbent and the gov't gets it shit together.
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sorry dude ... we've been through this i think plenty ... romney is a self-serving rich guy ... the guy has zero integrity and zero knowledge of things that matter ... he is the epitome of what is awful in politics ... voting for him because you don't like the other guy is akin to jumping off a cliff because you don't like the stairs ...
yes ... obama is not good ... but if people really want change - voting in this ahole is not gonna do it one bit ...
:think: You may have a point.
Give me his salary and I'll pay 60% and not even think about it. It's just about greed that these guys fight to keep millions and billions they can never spend while most of us are suffering to pay the bills.
And he gives SOOOO much money to "charity" (thanks Mrs. Romney). (pretty much all of it to his church, which uses the money to do what? send kids to France to get converts and keep them out of the draft?)
Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
They also spend millions to keep gays from marrying.
I remember when I got out of school and left town, I was looking at joining a church. They made it clear that they expected 10% of my salary to which I was thinking "are you fucking nuts?". Needless to say, I didn't go back ... papa needed a brand-new surfboard.
That'd put quite the pinch into my wine purchases.
Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
yep, that's exactly what I said. :fp:
I'm 100% in favor of a flat income tax.