Let Your Voice Be Heard

dottles

I hate to say it, but merch at shows...

I am not sure if there was a deliberate decision to limit the number of button badges, stickers and posters for the EU tour, bit it is something which has been a cause of frustration (and some upset) for fans.

I'm not a collector, but I do like a memento from shows, I am happy with a badge and a sticker but these have vanished from stands nigh on immediately. Limits, if in place, do not seem to have been adhered to by the staff on the merch stands at most venues. People have been buying tens of badges and stickers, of the already limited supply, which has meant the rest of us don't stand a chance.

I recognise that being on the rail now requires what feels like days before the show to be camped outside, however, for a badge and a sticker should it really be the same? People who are working, have families, and in some cases are disabled are not able to get anything.

Mr T Surt has said that no more badges/stickers will be made available, they are show only merchandise. At least with posters there is the opportunity of an AP.

Whilst this can't be rectified now unless the decision to repress is reversed, please consider this for future shows. I will now try to barter/trade for badges I am missing. When you're not a collector that's increasingly harder to do.

Could a possible solution be that:

-      10C sell 1000 pairs of tickets.

-      2000 badges, stickers and posters are made for 10C ticket holders

-      Alongside/near ticket pick up or 10C early entrance then each Member is offered 2 of each item (one for them, one for their ticket buddy).

-      Those items left at the time for entry for general ticket access get transferred to the main merch stands (on top of any allocation they are given in advance)

Also I’ve been pondering this after talking to a disabled fan at a show this tour. There are fans who have a disability or those that have a chronic illness, who will never get the chance to be on the rail, hence no chance for a pick or a tambourine etc. Others, if they wished, could spend three days outside of a venue to get on the rail and increase the chances of receiving these items. It is not physically/mentally possible for a wide variety of reasons for some fans. Is there a way that the band during sound check or that crew could sometimes place picks (at least) in seats or on the wheelchair platforms - small things that increases the inclusiveness of your shows for your entire fan base.

lastexitlondon

Well  said.  I agree 100%

deftones

Just had an SMS from the post office, Amsterdam poster has arrived. 22 euro customs...10C please use the euro shop for shipping to Europe.

L1quid

Anyone else worried about this from the latest 10c email:

"As a reminder, Ten Club was able to secure more tickets than ever before which enabled us to offer tickets to more members than ever before. This also means that Ten Club seating includes seats further back in the venue."

First they moved to the lottery, then they moved members farther back...kinda seems like at some point, ticketmaster and stubhub will be preferable.  At least with the digital tickets, we know the seats ahead of time and could scramble for other options if they are bad.

But 10C seats should never be bad.  Once the 10C cannot get good seats, it should stop getting them.

pashapasaman

10c should scan the setlist
would be cool if we can frame them

PJNB

L1quid said:

Anyone else worried about this from the latest 10c email:

"As a reminder, Ten Club was able to secure more tickets than ever before which enabled us to offer tickets to more members than ever before. This also means that Ten Club seating includes seats further back in the venue."

First they moved to the lottery, then they moved members farther back...kinda seems like at some point, ticketmaster and stubhub will be preferable.  At least with the digital tickets, we know the seats ahead of time and could scramble for other options if they are bad.

But 10C seats should never be bad.  Once the 10C cannot get good seats, it should stop getting them.

10 club pretty much guaranteed tickets. Verified fan was a shit show that a very small % of people got tickets. Stubhub is always but very expensive. We will all be screen watching anyways unless you were up at the front. Why feed then secondary market to get marginally better seats?

Eraserhead

Eraserhead said:

The Ten Club floor split needs to really be at all shows, not just some of them. As good as Krakow was, I think it could have been even better with the TC-only area at the front. Compare that with the Italy shows (I know they were stadiums, but still). Thanks!

I hate to quote myself for a cheap bump (oh-er!), but this follows on from several people's night being spoilt in London.

lastexitlondon

Yep I agree sadly. People cannot be trusted to be humane to fellow humans . 10c in the main know how to treat eachother esspecaily  smaller/lighter  women and men but really we all try to look after each other.  Our whole experience  as a family was awful and traumatic because  less 10c G.A and no secondary  barrier plus over zelous security (venue). I don't buy into "it's a rock show" the rules of life apply . And 10c members do not behave the way these morons did
 So I say as a fan club and band. Protect the good people. Thanks 

23scidoo

Eraserhead said:

Eraserhead said:

The Ten Club floor split needs to really be at all shows, not just some of them. As good as Krakow was, I think it could have been even better with the TC-only area at the front. Compare that with the Italy shows (I know they were stadiums, but still). Thanks!

I hate to quote myself for a cheap bump (oh-er!), but this follows on from several people's night being spoilt in London.

In Krakow, 10C and GA enter almost at the same time..the result was 50-60 drunk Polish among us..

DreamOfAngels

LeatherMosquitoMan said:

Release 1998 Bootlegs please. Please. Please.

Absolutely 

Annr95

Eraserhead said:

The Ten Club floor split needs to really be at all shows, not just some of them. As good as Krakow was, I think it could have been even better with the TC-only area at the front. Compare that with the Italy shows (I know they were stadiums, but still). Thanks!

Krakow was actually dangerous in the front of the pit for those of us who are not six foot tall men who want to run into each other. We headed to the back, where there was not much space, pretty quickly after it started to get rough and one in our group took an elbow to the stomach. It seems that the floor was quite oversold with the front being so tight and no places with some space anywhere else on the floor.

23scidoo

Annr95 said:

Eraserhead said:

The Ten Club floor split needs to really be at all shows, not just some of them. As good as Krakow was, I think it could have been even better with the TC-only area at the front. Compare that with the Italy shows (I know they were stadiums, but still). Thanks!

Krakow was actually dangerous in the front of the pit for those of us who are not six foot tall men who want to run into each other. We headed to the back, where there was not much space, pretty quickly after it started to get rough and one in our group took an elbow to the stomach. It seems that the floor was quite oversold with the front being so tight and no places with some space anywhere else on the floor.

The Krakow pit was rough cause of the many drunk Polish people, not 10C members..

lastexitlondon

Make a secondary barrier it's worked very well in the past. Do it every G.A what's the reason not to. People are getting hurt. By non 10c members. Not cool. We can have the rule Don t be an asshole as much as we like. They haven't  got the memo
Just make it every G.A I watched the video of save you from London when we all got pulled  out eds face was of concern and fear. He knows . We know. 

TimoRitzen

So the Amsterdam bootleg has been released. On the page where we can order the cd it says "Track listings may vary from the original set". Does it mean that we don`t get the entire show?

TimoRitzen

Eraserhead said:

-Buru- said:

Thanks for this option, 10C and for taking the time to read.

I'm pretty sure others have posted asking about this, but would you consider single ticket purchases for the 10C lottery? That is, allowing purchase of either 1 or 2 tickets.  This lessens the expense for people traveling solo and opens up the lottery for people who may not be able to pay for the purchase of 2 tickets up front, but could for one.

Thanks!

I asked TC this directly a while back, and got an email back saying they've always done them in pairs, and they didn't intend to change this.

Wich really sucks. I usually go alone but now always need to find someone to go with me. So stupid they don`t sell single tickets, wich would give more 10C members a chance to get tickets as well

1ThoughtKnown

23scidoo said:

Annr95 said:

Eraserhead said:

The Ten Club floor split needs to really be at all shows, not just some of them. As good as Krakow was, I think it could have been even better with the TC-only area at the front. Compare that with the Italy shows (I know they were stadiums, but still). Thanks!

Krakow was actually dangerous in the front of the pit for those of us who are not six foot tall men who want to run into each other. We headed to the back, where there was not much space, pretty quickly after it started to get rough and one in our group took an elbow to the stomach. It seems that the floor was quite oversold with the front being so tight and no places with some space anywhere else on the floor.

The Krakow pit was rough cause of the many drunk Polish people, not 10C members..

I had a few words with the Justin Bieber wannabe beside me and he mellowed out.
That pit was really nothing compared to the Buenos Aires, Santiago or Trieste shows I’ve been to. It was tame on Stone’s side for the most part.

23scidoo

1ThoughtKnown said:

23scidoo said:

Annr95 said:

Eraserhead said:

The Ten Club floor split needs to really be at all shows, not just some of them. As good as Krakow was, I think it could have been even better with the TC-only area at the front. Compare that with the Italy shows (I know they were stadiums, but still). Thanks!

Krakow was actually dangerous in the front of the pit for those of us who are not six foot tall men who want to run into each other. We headed to the back, where there was not much space, pretty quickly after it started to get rough and one in our group took an elbow to the stomach. It seems that the floor was quite oversold with the front being so tight and no places with some space anywhere else on the floor.

The Krakow pit was rough cause of the many drunk Polish people, not 10C members..

I had a few words with the Justin Bieber wannabe beside me and he mellowed out.
That pit was really nothing compared to the Buenos Aires, Santiago or Trieste shows I’ve been to. It was tame on Stone’s side for the most part.

Buenos Aires was more safe for me and i was deep in the pit..Krakow was full of assholes who didn't respect anyone around..

PJNB

23scidoo said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

23scidoo said:

Annr95 said:

Eraserhead said:

The Ten Club floor split needs to really be at all shows, not just some of them. As good as Krakow was, I think it could have been even better with the TC-only area at the front. Compare that with the Italy shows (I know they were stadiums, but still). Thanks!

Krakow was actually dangerous in the front of the pit for those of us who are not six foot tall men who want to run into each other. We headed to the back, where there was not much space, pretty quickly after it started to get rough and one in our group took an elbow to the stomach. It seems that the floor was quite oversold with the front being so tight and no places with some space anywhere else on the floor.

The Krakow pit was rough cause of the many drunk Polish people, not 10C members..

I had a few words with the Justin Bieber wannabe beside me and he mellowed out.
That pit was really nothing compared to the Buenos Aires, Santiago or Trieste shows I’ve been to. It was tame on Stone’s side for the most part.

Buenos Aires was more safe for me and i was deep in the pit..Krakow was full of assholes who didn't respect anyone around..

I heard Stones side was pretty calm. Mike's side was a sandwich fest with constant pressure and people with sharp elbows trying to barge their way through. Berlin on the other hand was wave after wave after wave of pushing even during thin air

cutz

PJNB said:

23scidoo said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

23scidoo said:

Annr95 said:

Eraserhead said:

The Ten Club floor split needs to really be at all shows, not just some of them. As good as Krakow was, I think it could have been even better with the TC-only area at the front. Compare that with the Italy shows (I know they were stadiums, but still). Thanks!

Krakow was actually dangerous in the front of the pit for those of us who are not six foot tall men who want to run into each other. We headed to the back, where there was not much space, pretty quickly after it started to get rough and one in our group took an elbow to the stomach. It seems that the floor was quite oversold with the front being so tight and no places with some space anywhere else on the floor.

The Krakow pit was rough cause of the many drunk Polish people, not 10C members..

I had a few words with the Justin Bieber wannabe beside me and he mellowed out.
That pit was really nothing compared to the Buenos Aires, Santiago or Trieste shows I’ve been to. It was tame on Stone’s side for the most part.

Buenos Aires was more safe for me and i was deep in the pit..Krakow was full of assholes who didn't respect anyone around..

I heard Stones side was pretty calm. Mike's side was a sandwich fest with constant pressure and people with sharp elbows trying to barge their way through. Berlin on the other hand was wave after wave after wave of pushing even during thin air

Stones side was not much better according to someone i know who was on that side. I was in a seat on that side and security had to bring a few fans over the rail during the show. Berlin was a  constant wave of pushing/moshing, but it was a controlled moshing>LOL

pashapasaman

PJNB said:

23scidoo said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

23scidoo said:

Annr95 said:

Eraserhead said:

The Ten Club floor split needs to really be at all shows, not just some of them. As good as Krakow was, I think it could have been even better with the TC-only area at the front. Compare that with the Italy shows (I know they were stadiums, but still). Thanks!

Krakow was actually dangerous in the front of the pit for those of us who are not six foot tall men who want to run into each other. We headed to the back, where there was not much space, pretty quickly after it started to get rough and one in our group took an elbow to the stomach. It seems that the floor was quite oversold with the front being so tight and no places with some space anywhere else on the floor.

The Krakow pit was rough cause of the many drunk Polish people, not 10C members..

I had a few words with the Justin Bieber wannabe beside me and he mellowed out.
That pit was really nothing compared to the Buenos Aires, Santiago or Trieste shows I’ve been to. It was tame on Stone’s side for the most part.

Buenos Aires was more safe for me and i was deep in the pit..Krakow was full of assholes who didn't respect anyone around..

I heard Stones side was pretty calm. Mike's side was a sandwich fest with constant pressure and people with sharp elbows trying to barge their way through. Berlin on the other hand was wave after wave after wave of pushing even during thin air

there are this douchebag father and son on Mike side
want to make a way to the front
got scolded by the guy beside me LOL