Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pandora wrote:

dunkman wrote:

pandora wrote:

Guns are here to stay legal or otherwise but mental illness
and crime does not need to be.



Another other positive ideas?

there was crime before there were guns... also it's easier to eradicate guns than it is to eradicate mental illness and crime.

and you dont want your gun laws tighter or stricter but you want to force a doctor to work for free one day a week?



holy fascism batman

But why would someone not want to eradicate mental illness and crime?
At least try to address the cause?

Help people who need help who have none?

I bet that doctor would feel really good at the end of that day...
is that something you can embrace?

Sounds a bit like Jack Handey.

Why do you insist on lumping the two together? Many people here have painfully tried to point out to you that, despite moments where they overlap... they are separate issues. It would make more sense to try and eliminate 'alcoholism and crime' than 'mental health and crime'.

There are two issues here (I respect your position on one).

dimitrispearljam

redrock wrote:

Why do we keep on having 'mental illness' and 'crime' in the same sentence as if they're Siamese twins?

cos its easy to say is the reason to blame... ..is the way to hide all the gaps the system have....
and face the real problem,which is the way of life we living and supporting,..the one doesnt give hope or future..
so...we are all crazy..and problem solved......

pandora

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

chadwick wrote:

^^^^another idea..yeah i have some. get rid of assault rifles and automatic weapons and hang gang members who terrorize communities. and ban carrying concealed weapons altogether so no one shoots themselves in the ass or balls or another innocent person(s)

yes take away rights is your choice ...


alrighty then :fp:

nothing to do with rights... it's all to do with safety and I'm sorry but the right to bear arms means less safety for everyone and this is obviously proven int he rate of gun related injuries and deaths in America.

It has everything to do with personal rights...

there are people who own guns never at fault ... much much much more so than those
who are careless with guns...
we can not punish the thoughtful, remove their rights because of the thoughtless.

As with abortion, because some abuse the right to abort a baby by taking numerous lives,
we can not punish those who are responsible in choosing to end a life.

As long as criminals have guns and people need them for protection it removes the
right to protect oneself.

comebackgirl

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pandora wrote:

dunkman wrote:

there was crime before there were guns... also it's easier to eradicate guns than it is to eradicate mental illness and crime.

and you dont want your gun laws tighter or stricter but you want to force a doctor to work for free one day a week?



holy fascism batman

But why would someone not want to eradicate mental illness and crime?
At least try to address the cause?

Help people who need help who have none?

I bet that doctor would feel really good at the end of that day...
is that something you can embrace?

Sounds a bit like Jack Handey.

Why do you insist on lumping the two together? Many people here have painfully tried to point out to you that, despite moments where they overlap... they are separate issues. It would make more sense to try and eliminate 'alcoholism and crime' than 'mental health and crime'.

There are two issues here (I respect your position on one).

Yes - the factors that put people most at risk for committing crime are being young, male, of a lower socio-economic class and substance abuse.

redrock

dimitrispearljam wrote:

redrock wrote:

Why do we keep on having 'mental illness' and 'crime' in the same sentence as if they're Siamese twins?

cos its easy to say is the reason to blame... ..is the way to hide all the gaps the system have....
and face the real problem,which is the way of life we living and supporting,..the one doesnt give hope or future..
so...we are all crazy..and problem solved......

I think you may be on to something Dimi...

Zoso

the biggest factor in crime is generational poverty and even the social environment you grow up in.. people who are in the middle class and higher 'generally' don't commit crime and this is no coincidence. So in saying this scrap the idea of mental health and get on the bandwagon of the ACTUAL answer to stopping crime.. the mental health system needs a shake up there is no denying this but this will not increase or decrease crime but any stretch.

generally the reason people commit crime is because they have no hope, no money and no future, no education or any idea of what a normal life is.. so let's amp up the social welfare programs and education system. but what? seems to me, that a lot of people in America what constitute that as being a socialist..

the reason crime exits is because American governments have continually pushed the poverty stricken into their own areas and towns thus creating the perfect environment for the disenfranchised to run rampant (i.e camden, NJ, Trenton, Philly, Detroit).

Zoso

why not just admit like slavery that the right to bear arms is outdated and hasn't worked? let's move on and create a laws that would be more safe to you and me...

I'm sure people in the 1830's thought that slavery was their right? things evolve as we work out they are either scientifically incorrect (world being flat, creationism) or just not working and laws are made to update the wrong.

comebackgirl

redrock wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

redrock wrote:

Why do we keep on having 'mental illness' and 'crime' in the same sentence as if they're Siamese twins?

cos its easy to say is the reason to blame... ..is the way to hide all the gaps the system have....
and face the real problem,which is the way of life we living and supporting,..the one doesnt give hope or future..
so...we are all crazy..and problem solved......

I think you may be on to something Dimi...

I think so too.

ComeToTX

Zoso wrote:

the biggest factor in crime is generational poverty and even the social environment you grow up in.. people who are in the middle class and higher 'generally' don't commit crime and this is no coincidence. So in saying this scrap the idea of mental health and get on the bandwagon of the ACTUAL answer to stopping crime.. the mental health system needs a shake up there is no denying this but this will not increase or decrease crime but any stretch.

generally the reason people commit crime is because they have no hope, no money and no future, no education or any idea of what a normal life is.. so let's amp up the social welfare programs and education system. but what? seems to me, that a lot of people in America what constitute that as being a socialist..

the reason crime exits is because American governments have continually pushed the poverty stricken into their own areas and towns thus creating the perfect environment for the disenfranchised to run rampant (i.e camden, NJ, Trenton, Philly, Detroit).

You're 100% correct. I'm scared for the day they get sick of being pushed down and fight back. It'll be a mini French Revolution!

comebackgirl

ComeToTX wrote:

Zoso wrote:

the biggest factor in crime is generational poverty and even the social environment you grow up in.. people who are in the middle class and higher 'generally' don't commit crime and this is no coincidence. So in saying this scrap the idea of mental health and get on the bandwagon of the ACTUAL answer to stopping crime.. the mental health system needs a shake up there is no denying this but this will not increase or decrease crime but any stretch.

generally the reason people commit crime is because they have no hope, no money and no future, no education or any idea of what a normal life is.. so let's amp up the social welfare programs and education system. but what? seems to me, that a lot of people in America what constitute that as being a socialist..

the reason crime exits is because American governments have continually pushed the poverty stricken into their own areas and towns thus creating the perfect environment for the disenfranchised to run rampant (i.e camden, NJ, Trenton, Philly, Detroit).

You're 100% correct. I'm scared for the day they get sick of being pushed down and fight back. It'll be a mini French Revolution!

well if they tell us to eat cake, I hope it's red velvet or carrot cake :shifty:

Zoso

ComeToTX wrote:

Zoso wrote:

the biggest factor in crime is generational poverty and even the social environment you grow up in.. people who are in the middle class and higher 'generally' don't commit crime and this is no coincidence. So in saying this scrap the idea of mental health and get on the bandwagon of the ACTUAL answer to stopping crime.. the mental health system needs a shake up there is no denying this but this will not increase or decrease crime but any stretch.

generally the reason people commit crime is because they have no hope, no money and no future, no education or any idea of what a normal life is.. so let's amp up the social welfare programs and education system. but what? seems to me, that a lot of people in America what constitute that as being a socialist..

the reason crime exits is because American governments have continually pushed the poverty stricken into their own areas and towns thus creating the perfect environment for the disenfranchised to run rampant (i.e camden, NJ, Trenton, Philly, Detroit).

You're 100% correct. I'm scared for the day they get sick of being pushed down and fight back. It'll be a mini French Revolution!

the poor can't even afford a bus ticket to get to the middle class or rich area's.. they aren't going anywhere soon. They will be stuck in a holding pattern forever until people realize what real chance will take.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

comebackgirl wrote:

I have so many clients who have trouble finding things like housing because of this stigma. People are afraid to rent to them because they fear they will be dangerous. LET'S PLEASE STOP THIS STIGMA. It is so damaging. So many people struggle with accepting a diagnosis because of the stigma attached, making it less likely that they will engage in treatment.

agree 100%. to claim the stigma is "so 90's" and that it no longer needs focusing on is ignorant. there is a reason it's so awfully underfunded.

comebackgirl

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

I have so many clients who have trouble finding things like housing because of this stigma. People are afraid to rent to them because they fear they will be dangerous. LET'S PLEASE STOP THIS STIGMA. It is so damaging. So many people struggle with accepting a diagnosis because of the stigma attached, making it less likely that they will engage in treatment.

agree 100%. to claim the stigma is "so 90's" and that it no longer needs focusing on is ignorant. there is a reason it's so awfully underfunded.

So true. I'm pretty sure it's 2012 and the stigma has been splashed all over this thread. It's what pulled me in to posting on AMT again

Zoso

comebackgirl wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

I have so many clients who have trouble finding things like housing because of this stigma. People are afraid to rent to them because they fear they will be dangerous. LET'S PLEASE STOP THIS STIGMA. It is so damaging. So many people struggle with accepting a diagnosis because of the stigma attached, making it less likely that they will engage in treatment.

agree 100%. to claim the stigma is "so 90's" and that it no longer needs focusing on is ignorant. there is a reason it's so awfully underfunded.

So true. I'm pretty sure it's 2012 and the stigma has been splashed all over this thread. It's what pulled me in to posting on AMT again

I love your points of view so much I may even ask your hand in marriage.. oh already done that? ok.. well.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

comebackgirl wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

Zoso wrote:

the biggest factor in crime is generational poverty and even the social environment you grow up in.. people who are in the middle class and higher 'generally' don't commit crime and this is no coincidence. So in saying this scrap the idea of mental health and get on the bandwagon of the ACTUAL answer to stopping crime.. the mental health system needs a shake up there is no denying this but this will not increase or decrease crime but any stretch.

generally the reason people commit crime is because they have no hope, no money and no future, no education or any idea of what a normal life is.. so let's amp up the social welfare programs and education system. but what? seems to me, that a lot of people in America what constitute that as being a socialist..

the reason crime exits is because American governments have continually pushed the poverty stricken into their own areas and towns thus creating the perfect environment for the disenfranchised to run rampant (i.e camden, NJ, Trenton, Philly, Detroit).

You're 100% correct. I'm scared for the day they get sick of being pushed down and fight back. It'll be a mini French Revolution!

well if they tell us to eat cake, I hope it's red velvet or carrot cake :shifty:

Black Forest cake. Mmmmm.

Cheesecake. Mmmmmmm. Doesn't count? Aaawww Comean.

dimitrispearljam

Zoso wrote:

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I love your points of view so much I may even ask your hand in marriage.. oh already done that? ok.. well.

i love this guy!!!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

comebackgirl wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

I have so many clients who have trouble finding things like housing because of this stigma. People are afraid to rent to them because they fear they will be dangerous. LET'S PLEASE STOP THIS STIGMA. It is so damaging. So many people struggle with accepting a diagnosis because of the stigma attached, making it less likely that they will engage in treatment.

agree 100%. to claim the stigma is "so 90's" and that it no longer needs focusing on is ignorant. there is a reason it's so awfully underfunded.

So true. I'm pretty sure it's 2012 and the stigma has been splashed all over this thread. It's what pulled me in to posting on AMT again

I'm lucky that I work for a corporation that pays for my meds and shrink visits. and if it didn't, I was referred by my medical doctor, so it's covered under my provincial medical plan.

Canada knows where it's at.

comebackgirl

Zoso wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

agree 100%. to claim the stigma is "so 90's" and that it no longer needs focusing on is ignorant. there is a reason it's so awfully underfunded.

So true. I'm pretty sure it's 2012 and the stigma has been splashed all over this thread. It's what pulled me in to posting on AMT again

I love your points of view so much I may even ask your hand in marriage.. oh already done that? ok.. well.

As I said...always wanting me for my mind :roll:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Zoso wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

So true. I'm pretty sure it's 2012 and the stigma has been splashed all over this thread. It's what pulled me in to posting on AMT again

I love your points of view so much I may even ask your hand in marriage.. oh already done that? ok.. well.

not if I do it first.

redrock

comebackgirl wrote:

As I said...always wanting me for my mind :roll:

I think he may have a shoe fetish... and you're pandering to that fetish....