Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    comebackgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    The problem is not guns because millions upon millions own guns without ever a problem.

    Getting illegal guns off the streets, putting criminals away ...
    no chance for parole when a gun is used in a crime, this will help hugely.
    And again getting help for those who need help with mental illness issues
    before violence occurs
    so by this line of thinking mental illness is not the problem either since millions upon millions live with mental illness and never become violent.
    The guns in the hands of the mentally ill person is who kills.
    I think that is what should be focused on ...
    helping the mentally ill whether they will become violent or not. :?
    They deserve this, they need this, and so does our society.
    It will reduce crime of all kinds. It will help with substance abuse and with domestic violence.
    It will also help the homeless.
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    pandora wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    http://boingboing.net/2012/07/26/forens ... s-mas.html
    http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07 ... s-say?lite
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/
    I did get a chance to look them over now

    I would say which comes first the illness or the movie?

    Of course the mentally ill are not necessarily violent
    that would be ridiculous, I have much illness in my family and in my life
    none are violent.
    What I am saying is violent people are mentally ill who can be helped
    with the proper care.

    As far as revenge that is personal gain. The person may be delusional or they may be depressed
    both mental issues or they may be just mad as hell planning on leaving this world
    and taking the most people they can with them.
    I think mental illness healthcare can address all these though,
    the people just need help and their loved ones know it.
    This we know, they knew it but couldn't get it for them.
    Most violent people are not mentally I'll. Revenge would be more indicative of a personality disorder than depression or other axis I disorders.

    So what are your ideas for making mental health services more accessible?
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    chadwick wrote:
    with all due respect...
    hugh f-ing dillon is not the only one here who has trouble comprehending what you put out. i admit i have trouble following your written dialogue. you lose me often. many times i reread your stuff several times and am still lost.

    i & many wanna be friendly

    to many you come across as someone who is very much on a high & mighty power-trip-crusade of some kind. i knew something was off when you supported ted nugent killing every animal ins the world and now your belief system supports millions of wacko gun owners

    again... many wanna be friendly here but we just can't for the life of us understand the pot stirring and argumentative horse manure being slung around
    ...
    I gave up a long time ago. I found it to be a blatant waste of keystrokes.
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  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    pandora wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    The problem is not guns because millions upon millions own guns without ever a problem.

    Getting illegal guns off the streets, putting criminals away ...
    no chance for parole when a gun is used in a crime, this will help hugely.
    And again getting help for those who need help with mental illness issues
    before violence occurs
    so by this line of thinking mental illness is not the problem either since millions upon millions live with mental illness and never become violent.
    The guns in the hands of the mentally ill person is who kills.
    I think that is what should be focused on ...
    helping the mentally ill whether they will become violent or not. :?
    They deserve this, they need this, and so does our society.
    It will reduce crime of all kinds. It will help with substance abuse and with domestic violence.
    It will also help the homeless.
    Of course anyone with a mental illness should be supported. That will not stop crime however. Your first statement is false
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    "I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    chadwick wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    The problem is not guns because millions upon millions own guns without ever a problem.

    Getting illegal guns off the streets, putting criminals away ...
    no chance for parole when a gun is used in a crime, this will help hugely.
    And again getting help for those who need help with mental illness issues
    before violence occurs.
    There is no reason to take guns away from law abiding citizens.
    booze drunk by sane ppl leads to four times as many homicides with a gun as a crazy

    your stance on crazies is dead wrong. it is off base and needs adjustment.
    Yes and people who drink and have a gun sitting on the table are irresponsible
    gun owners. They are thoughtless but we can not remove the rights
    of those who are thoughtful because of that.

    Often it is these people who have illegal guns or will if restrictions are put in place
    solving absolutely nothing.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    every employer should pay mental health insurance to their workers; all employers both large & small, as well as pay their employees' dental insurance and health care, yes/no?
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    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    edited August 2012
    comebackgirl wrote:
    Of course anyone with a mental illness should be supported. That will not stop crime however. Your first statement is false
    [/quote]
    Your second statement is false of course it will stop crime.
    Stricter gun laws will not because the guns are still available. :fp:
    Post edited by pandora on
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Cosmo wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    with all due respect...
    hugh f-ing dillon is not the only one here who has trouble comprehending what you put out. i admit i have trouble following your written dialogue. you lose me often. many times i reread your stuff several times and am still lost.

    i & many wanna be friendly

    to many you come across as someone who is very much on a high & mighty power-trip-crusade of some kind. i knew something was off when you supported ted nugent killing every animal ins the world and now your belief system supports millions of wacko gun owners

    again... many wanna be friendly here but we just can't for the life of us understand the pot stirring and argumentative horse manure being slung around
    ...
    I gave up a long time ago. I found it to be a blatant waste of keystrokes.
    care to share what you got in your avatar? puff, puff pass... please :mrgreen:
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,063
    The problem is not guns because millions upon millions own guns without ever a problem.

    Getting illegal guns off the streets, putting criminals away ...
    no chance for parole when a gun is used in a crime, this will help hugely.
    And again getting help for those who need help with mental illness issues
    before violence occurs.
    There is no reason to take guns away from law abiding citizens.

    No chance for parole would equal stronger gun control. After pages and pages of saying we don't need more laws now you're for a stiffer gun control law?
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    comebackgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    http://boingboing.net/2012/07/26/forens ... s-mas.html
    http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07 ... s-say?lite
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/
    I did get a chance to look them over now

    I would say which comes first the illness or the movie?

    Of course the mentally ill are not necessarily violent
    that would be ridiculous, I have much illness in my family and in my life
    none are violent.
    What I am saying is violent people are mentally ill who can be helped
    with the proper care.

    As far as revenge that is personal gain. The person may be delusional or they may be depressed
    both mental issues or they may be just mad as hell planning on leaving this world
    and taking the most people they can with them.
    I think mental illness healthcare can address all these though,
    the people just need help and their loved ones know it.
    This we know, they knew it but couldn't get it for them.
    Most violent people are not mentally I'll. Revenge would be more indicative of a personality disorder than depression or other axis I disorders.

    So what are your ideas for making mental health services more accessible?
    One step would be walk in clinics where people can not be turned away.
    Not asked ... has that person injured themselves or another?
    Then told sorry we can't help you until they do...
    :fp:
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    chadwick wrote:
    with all due respect...
    hugh f-ing dillon is not the only one here who has trouble comprehending what you put out. i admit i have trouble following your written dialogue. you lose me often. many times i reread your stuff several times and am still lost.

    i & many wanna be friendly

    to many you come across as someone who is very much on a high & mighty power-trip-crusade of some kind. i knew something was off when you supported ted nugent killing every animal ins the world and now your belief system supports millions of wacko gun owners

    again... many wanna be friendly here but we just can't for the life of us understand the pot stirring and argumentative horse manure being slung around
    :lol: I'm hard to understand funny stuff...
    kettle super black there...

    sorry you think it is wacko to protect another's rights...
    as long as it is within the law.

    I know you are extremely judgmental of anyone who is not Chad...
    like Chad, thinks like Chad we have seen this horror. Not pretty at all.

    You are the deepest shit giver here and it's not from a horse ;)

    hey honesty remember best policy at least I can say that about myself...
    honest true and true.

    Again people can ignore but they don't

    why? now that has to be some kind of personality disorder :lol:

    funny with all due respect right Chad
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    ComeToTX wrote:
    The problem is not guns because millions upon millions own guns without ever a problem.

    Getting illegal guns off the streets, putting criminals away ...
    no chance for parole when a gun is used in a crime, this will help hugely.
    And again getting help for those who need help with mental illness issues
    before violence occurs.
    There is no reason to take guns away from law abiding citizens.

    No chance for parole would equal stronger gun control. After pages and pages of saying we don't need more laws now you're for a stiffer gun control law?
    I'm not for stricter gun control I am for controlling the bad guys not the good guys
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,063
    pandora wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    The problem is not guns because millions upon millions own guns without ever a problem.

    Getting illegal guns off the streets, putting criminals away ...
    no chance for parole when a gun is used in a crime, this will help hugely.
    And again getting help for those who need help with mental illness issues
    before violence occurs.
    There is no reason to take guns away from law abiding citizens.

    No chance for parole would equal stronger gun control. After pages and pages of saying we don't need more laws now you're for a stiffer gun control law?
    I'm not for stricter gun control I am for controlling the bad guys not the good guys

    Call it what you want. Adding a law would be stronger gun control.
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    pandora wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    with all due respect...
    hugh f-ing dillon is not the only one here who has trouble comprehending what you put out. i admit i have trouble following your written dialogue. you lose me often. many times i reread your stuff several times and am still lost.

    i & many wanna be friendly

    to many you come across as someone who is very much on a high & mighty power-trip-crusade of some kind. i knew something was off when you supported ted nugent killing every animal ins the world and now your belief system supports millions of wacko gun owners

    again... many wanna be friendly here but we just can't for the life of us understand the pot stirring and argumentative horse manure being slung around
    :lol: I'm hard to understand funny stuff...
    kettle super black there...

    sorry you think it is wacko to protect another's rights...
    as long as it is within the law.

    I know you are extremely judgmental of anyone who is not Chad...
    like Chad, thinks like Chad we have seen this horror. Not pretty at all.

    You are the deepest shit giver here and it's not from a horse ;)

    hey honesty remember best policy at least I can say that about myself...
    honest true and true.

    Again people can ignore but they don't

    why? now that has to be some kind of personality disorder :lol:

    funny with all due respect right Chad
    well played, pand
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    edited August 2012
    pandora wrote:
    One step would be walk in clinics where people can not be turned away.
    Not asked ... has that person injured themselves or another?
    Then told sorry we can't help you until they do...
    :fp:
    Ok but tell me how we're creating or expanding these clinics to meet the demand and how they're being paid for. Present clinics have waiting lists months long due to demand. Who pays for care of clients with no insurance?
    Post edited by comebackgirl on
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  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    chadwick wrote:
    every employer should pay mental health insurance to their workers; all employers both large & small, as well as pay their employees' dental insurance and health care, yes/no?
    The irony is I can't even see myself for therapy with the insurance my employer provides :lol:
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    comebackgirl wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    every employer should pay mental health insurance to their workers; all employers both large & small, as well as pay their employees' dental insurance and health care, yes/no?
    The irony is I can't even see myself for therapy with the insurance my employer provides :lol:

    Whoa!!! That could mean split personalities! CBG ill speaking to CBG therapist! Interesting conversations! :lol:
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    redrock wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    every employer should pay mental health insurance to their workers; all employers both large & small, as well as pay their employees' dental insurance and health care, yes/no?
    The irony is I can't even see myself for therapy with the insurance my employer provides :lol:

    Whoa!!! That could mean split personalities! CBG ill speaking to CBG therapist! Interesting conversations! :lol:
    :lol: Well I'm definitely mentally ill...but I haven't yet been violent :lol:
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    redrock wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    every employer should pay mental health insurance to their workers; all employers both large & small, as well as pay their employees' dental insurance and health care, yes/no?
    The irony is I can't even see myself for therapy with the insurance my employer provides :lol:

    Whoa!!! That could mean split personalities! CBG ill speaking to CBG therapist! Interesting conversations! :lol:
    i really wanna see that!!!

    espesially the shoes she is gonna wear... :lol:
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    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    The irony is I can't even see myself for therapy with the insurance my employer provides :lol:

    Whoa!!! That could mean split personalities! CBG ill speaking to CBG therapist! Interesting conversations! :lol:
    i really wanna see that!!!

    espesially the shoes she is gonna wear... :lol:
    I'd get to wear 2 pairs! :mrgreen:
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