best and worse USA presidents

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    pandora wrote:
    this is one of my favorite threads ever... great info ... funny too

    I like them all, something likable about each one and it's good to keep a sense of humor
    when it comes to our Presidents.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9L2rq3w ... re=related

    Miss Nancy my favorite First Lady

    Reminds me of a Mission of Burma song. :D
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Juan Godoy
    Juan Godoy Posts: 490
    pandora wrote:
    this is one of my favorite threads ever... great info ... funny too

    I like them all, something likable about each one and it's good to keep a sense of humor
    when it comes to our Presidents.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9L2rq3w ... re=related

    Miss Nancy my favorite First Lady


    lmfao pandy!!
  • Juan Godoy
    Juan Godoy Posts: 490
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    Juan Godoy wrote:
    amazing all the comments.. thanks guy!! so far so good..
    The only surprise i had until here is that i thought W. Bush it would be more hated than this, just my opinion

    thanks, keep on giving you opinion!

    Oh, we can do a little more Bush bashing for you if you like. :twisted: :D


    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    brianlux wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    by the way, reagan belongs on my personal list of worst presidents.

    Reagan's involvement in shutting down mental hospitals alone qualifies him as one of our worst leaders. A lot of people suffered because of those actions and the ranks of the homeless swelled.

    Lets not forget about some other things that happened during his presidency...

    Iran come to mind
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    brianlux wrote:
    I don't understand the hatred for Jimmy Carter. I think he was one of our greatest presidents because he was one of the most honest. He was hated because Americans often don't like to hear the truth.

    An example of what I mean is highlighted here by writer Andrew Bacevich who had this to say about Carter in an interview with Bill Moyers:

    "ANDREW BACEVICH: Well, this is the so-called Malaise Speech, even though he never used the word "malaise" in the text to the address. It's a very powerful speech, I think, because President Carter says in that speech, oil, our dependence on oil, poses a looming threat to the country. If we act now, we may be able to fix this problem. If we don't act now, we're headed down a path in which not only will we become increasingly dependent upon foreign oil, but we will have opted for a false model of freedom. A freedom of materialism, a freedom of self-indulgence, a freedom of collective recklessness. And what the President was saying at the time was, we need to think about what we mean by freedom. We need to choose a definition of freedom which is anchored in truth, and the way to manifest that choice, is by addressing our energy problem.

    He had a profound understanding of the dilemma facing the country in the post Vietnam period. And of course, he was completely hooted, derided, disregarded."

    (For those of you who believe this to be liberal inanity, I should point out that Bacevich is a well respected conservative.)
    He was smart, compassionate and had a great vision....however he could not pull it off due to the forces aligned against him....and remember his party controlled Congress during his term.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    VivaPalestina wrote:
    Andrew Johnson was an Indian Killer, Woodrow Wilson put feminists in jail for wanting to vote. If I were an Indian or feminist those would be my worst, i guess its perspective.

    There was mention of Carter as a worst because of the hostage crisis. I saw a docu filmed 6 years ago where one of those freed hostages is near tears thanking Carter for his life.
    I'm wondering if you mean Andrew Jackson???? There was both an Andrew Johnson and a Andrew Jackson to reside in the White House....big difference between the two. :?:
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,118
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    by the way, reagan belongs on my personal list of worst presidents.

    Reagan's involvement in shutting down mental hospitals alone qualifies him as one of our worst leaders. A lot of people suffered because of those actions and the ranks of the homeless swelled.

    Lets not forget about some other things that happened during his presidency...

    Iran come to mind
    inaction on AIDS comes to mind also...

    and also an escalation of the war on drugs that has been a colossal failure...

    and

    reaganomics...

    i know byrnzie has a lot of info about reagan that he has posted in other theads. hopefully he will present it here.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    inaction on AIDS comes to mind also...

    and also an escalation of the war on drugs that has been a colossal failure...

    and

    reaganomics...

    i know byrnzie has a lot of info about reagan that he has posted in other theads. hopefully he will present it here.

    Indeed! I hope Byrnzie makes an appearance!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,118
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    inaction on AIDS comes to mind also...

    and also an escalation of the war on drugs that has been a colossal failure...

    and

    reaganomics...

    i know byrnzie has a lot of info about reagan that he has posted in other theads. hopefully he will present it here.

    Indeed! I hope Byrnzie makes an appearance!
    reagan had one of the most hawkish cabinets in recent history as well, and those guys had significant impact on policy.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Reagan is proof positive that you cannot measure all presidents against each other. He was an effective leader. he had cross party line support...he won 49 states in his re-election bid I think...People liked him. He absolutely presided over some terrible stuff as well. the school of the americas, iran contra, lebanon.

    Reagan definitely didn't do all good or all evil...a god to some, the worst president ever to others...ain't politics grand.
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  • hrd2imgn
    hrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,924
    Obama and Bush 2 have been a pretty big 1-2 punch to the gut of America
  • petejm043
    petejm043 Posts: 156
    I cant beleive that I am actually going to mention this President as one of the best..He has to be on the Top 5 (Modern History) and I am surprised he has not been mentioned..at least I dont think so...Bill Clinton. Clinton showed what a leader is by reaching across party lines after the 94 mid-term elections and got things done. He left office and the country had a budget surplus and the economy was in decent shape and most importantly we had Peace.

    Reagan was not a bad President he also worked with Democrats and helped put the end to the "Evil Empire" (Soviet Union). They economy was in the tank when he took office in Jan. 1981 and still remember the gas lines. Damn I am old. I do think he made one major mistake and that is he helped the Afgahans defeat the Soviets but we didnt stay and help rebuild and that gave way to the Taliban and Al-Queda.

    My worst it has to be Nixon. The guy lied and the whole Watergate scandal was really bad for the country at that given time.

    The best President has to be George Bush.....j/k George Washington was the best. Here is a small sample of his farewell adress:
    "As a very important source of strength and security, cherish public credit. One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly as possible, avoiding occasions of expense by cultivating peace, but remembering also that timely disbursements to prepare for danger frequently prevent much greater disbursements to repel it, avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt, not only by shunning occasions of expense, but by vigorous exertion in time of peace to discharge the debts which unavoidable wars may have occasioned, not ungenerously throwing upon posterity the burden which we ourselves ought to bear. The execution of these maxims belongs to your representatives, but it is necessary that public opinion should co-operate. To facilitate to them the performance of their duty, it is essential that you should practically bear in mind that towards the payment of debts there must be revenue; that to have revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised which are not more or less inconvenient and unpleasant; that the intrinsic embarrassment, inseparable from the selection of the proper objects (which is always a choice of difficulties), ought to be a decisive motive for a candid construction of the conduct of the government in making it, and for a spirit of acquiescence in the measures for obtaining revenue, which the public exigencies may at any time dictate."
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    petejm043 wrote:
    I cant beleive that I am actually going to mention this President as one of the best..He has to be on the Top 5 (Modern History) and I am surprised he has not been mentioned..at least I dont think so...Bill Clinton. Clinton showed what a leader is by reaching across party lines after the 94 mid-term elections and got things done. He left office and the country had a budget surplus and the economy was in decent shape and most importantly we had Peace.

    Yeah, for the most part I agree. There's a book about Clinton called The Best of Times: America in the Clinton Years . I probably shouldn't quote this title because I haven't taken the time to look very closely at it but looking back, those were good years. At least people were generally a lot happier then.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    brianlux wrote:
    petejm043 wrote:
    I cant beleive that I am actually going to mention this President as one of the best..He has to be on the Top 5 (Modern History) and I am surprised he has not been mentioned..at least I dont think so...Bill Clinton. Clinton showed what a leader is by reaching across party lines after the 94 mid-term elections and got things done. He left office and the country had a budget surplus and the economy was in decent shape and most importantly we had Peace.

    Yeah, for the most part I agree. There's a book about Clinton called The Best of Times: America in the Clinton Years . I probably shouldn't quote this title because I haven't taken the time to look very closely at it but looking back, those were good years. At least people were generally a lot happier then.

    Except for Mogadishu... that was a great time.
  • petejm043
    petejm043 Posts: 156
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    petejm043 wrote:
    I cant beleive that I am actually going to mention this President as one of the best..He has to be on the Top 5 (Modern History) and I am surprised he has not been mentioned..at least I dont think so...Bill Clinton. Clinton showed what a leader is by reaching across party lines after the 94 mid-term elections and got things done. He left office and the country had a budget surplus and the economy was in decent shape and most importantly we had Peace.

    Yeah, for the most part I agree. There's a book about Clinton called The Best of Times: America in the Clinton Years . I probably shouldn't quote this title because I haven't taken the time to look very closely at it but looking back, those were good years. At least people were generally a lot happier then.

    Except for Mogadishu... that was a great time.

    You are correct about Somalia. But then again you can look at almost every Presidency and you can see U.S. troops in some part of the world.
  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    tybird wrote:
    VivaPalestina wrote:
    Andrew Johnson was an Indian Killer, Woodrow Wilson put feminists in jail for wanting to vote. If I were an Indian or feminist those would be my worst, i guess its perspective.

    There was mention of Carter as a worst because of the hostage crisis. I saw a docu filmed 6 years ago where one of those freed hostages is near tears thanking Carter for his life.
    I'm wondering if you mean Andrew Jackson???? There was both an Andrew Johnson and a Andrew Jackson to reside in the White House....big difference between the two. :?:

    the guy on the money...Jackson.
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,855
    Best: Nixon

    Worst: Nixon

    :lol:

    as far as my lifetime:
    I think in 100 years, GW Bush will be seen as a disaster, bottom 5. Reagan/Clinton will be known as above average to very good... and Obama will be muddled in the middle, but noted for breaking through a historic racial barrier... unless something goes down in the next 4 months, or he gets re-elected.
    Carter of course has a bad rap and it will continue into obscurity.... GHW Bush will also be pretty obscure as far as 'good' vs 'bad'. Unfortunately for him, he will be linked closer to GW than RR due to name.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i know byrnzie has a lot of info about reagan that he has posted in other theads. hopefully he will present it here.

    Looks like they fixed the glitch that was keeping me at bay. Good to get back into the fray. 8-)
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Byrnzie wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i know byrnzie has a lot of info about reagan that he has posted in other theads. hopefully he will present it here.

    Looks like they fixed the glitch that was keeping me at bay. Good to get back into the fray. 8-)

    :clap:
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Byrnzie wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i know byrnzie has a lot of info about reagan that he has posted in other theads. hopefully he will present it here.

    Looks like they fixed the glitch that was keeping me at bay. Good to get back into the fray. 8-)

    Yeah, my fellow Reagan fan has returned! Peace through strength my friend! ;)
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