William Henry Harrison should get honorary mention. His biggest decision was to give a two hour inaugural speech on a cold wet day without a jacket. He was dead of pneumonia 30 days later and blew the Whig party's one big chance.
amazing all the comments.. thanks guy!! so far so good..
The only surprise i had until here is that i thought W. Bush it would be more hated than this, just my opinion
thanks, keep on giving you opinion!
I just dont have too much good to say in terms of presidents, so I was staying out of posting in this thread (great read though)...but I'll toss my vote in for Bush II being an all out buffoon and an embarrassment to the USA.
amazing all the comments.. thanks guy!! so far so good..
The only surprise i had until here is that i thought W. Bush it would be more hated than this, just my opinion
thanks, keep on giving you opinion!
Plenty of hate for G.W., maybe we're just being restrained.
You often see Presidents divided into 'modern day' presidents and the old timers. Maybe due to opinion based on experiences vs the old ones being filtered through historians.
amazing all the comments.. thanks guy!! so far so good..
The only surprise i had until here is that i thought W. Bush it would be more hated than this, just my opinion
thanks, keep on giving you opinion!
Oh, we can do a little more Bush bashing for you if you like. :twisted:
this is one of my favorite threads ever... great info ... funny too
I like them all, something likable about each one and it's good to keep a sense of humor
when it comes to our Presidents.
Yes they are ALL likeable in their own way cause they are ALL just figureheads listening to a higher force telling them exactly what to do. Even GWBII was likeable, he was always amusing when he was serious.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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by the way, reagan belongs on my personal list of worst presidents.
Reagan's involvement in shutting down mental hospitals alone qualifies him as one of our worst leaders. A lot of people suffered because of those actions and the ranks of the homeless swelled.
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amazing all the comments.. thanks guy!! so far so good..
The only surprise i had until here is that i thought W. Bush it would be more hated than this, just my opinion
thanks, keep on giving you opinion!
Oh, we can do a little more Bush bashing for you if you like. :twisted:
by the way, reagan belongs on my personal list of worst presidents.
Reagan's involvement in shutting down mental hospitals alone qualifies him as one of our worst leaders. A lot of people suffered because of those actions and the ranks of the homeless swelled.
Lets not forget about some other things that happened during his presidency...
I don't understand the hatred for Jimmy Carter. I think he was one of our greatest presidents because he was one of the most honest. He was hated because Americans often don't like to hear the truth.
An example of what I mean is highlighted here by writer Andrew Bacevich who had this to say about Carter in an interview with Bill Moyers:
"ANDREW BACEVICH: Well, this is the so-called Malaise Speech, even though he never used the word "malaise" in the text to the address. It's a very powerful speech, I think, because President Carter says in that speech, oil, our dependence on oil, poses a looming threat to the country. If we act now, we may be able to fix this problem. If we don't act now, we're headed down a path in which not only will we become increasingly dependent upon foreign oil, but we will have opted for a false model of freedom. A freedom of materialism, a freedom of self-indulgence, a freedom of collective recklessness. And what the President was saying at the time was, we need to think about what we mean by freedom. We need to choose a definition of freedom which is anchored in truth, and the way to manifest that choice, is by addressing our energy problem.
He had a profound understanding of the dilemma facing the country in the post Vietnam period. And of course, he was completely hooted, derided, disregarded."
(For those of you who believe this to be liberal inanity, I should point out that Bacevich is a well respected conservative.)
He was smart, compassionate and had a great vision....however he could not pull it off due to the forces aligned against him....and remember his party controlled Congress during his term.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Andrew Johnson was an Indian Killer, Woodrow Wilson put feminists in jail for wanting to vote. If I were an Indian or feminist those would be my worst, i guess its perspective.
There was mention of Carter as a worst because of the hostage crisis. I saw a docu filmed 6 years ago where one of those freed hostages is near tears thanking Carter for his life.
I'm wondering if you mean Andrew Jackson???? There was both an Andrew Johnson and a Andrew Jackson to reside in the White House....big difference between the two. :?:
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
by the way, reagan belongs on my personal list of worst presidents.
Reagan's involvement in shutting down mental hospitals alone qualifies him as one of our worst leaders. A lot of people suffered because of those actions and the ranks of the homeless swelled.
Lets not forget about some other things that happened during his presidency...
Iran come to mind
inaction on AIDS comes to mind also...
and also an escalation of the war on drugs that has been a colossal failure...
and
reaganomics...
i know byrnzie has a lot of info about reagan that he has posted in other theads. hopefully he will present it here.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Reagan is proof positive that you cannot measure all presidents against each other. He was an effective leader. he had cross party line support...he won 49 states in his re-election bid I think...People liked him. He absolutely presided over some terrible stuff as well. the school of the americas, iran contra, lebanon.
Reagan definitely didn't do all good or all evil...a god to some, the worst president ever to others...ain't politics grand.
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I cant beleive that I am actually going to mention this President as one of the best..He has to be on the Top 5 (Modern History) and I am surprised he has not been mentioned..at least I dont think so...Bill Clinton. Clinton showed what a leader is by reaching across party lines after the 94 mid-term elections and got things done. He left office and the country had a budget surplus and the economy was in decent shape and most importantly we had Peace.
Reagan was not a bad President he also worked with Democrats and helped put the end to the "Evil Empire" (Soviet Union). They economy was in the tank when he took office in Jan. 1981 and still remember the gas lines. Damn I am old. I do think he made one major mistake and that is he helped the Afgahans defeat the Soviets but we didnt stay and help rebuild and that gave way to the Taliban and Al-Queda.
My worst it has to be Nixon. The guy lied and the whole Watergate scandal was really bad for the country at that given time.
The best President has to be George Bush.....j/k George Washington was the best. Here is a small sample of his farewell adress:
"As a very important source of strength and security, cherish public credit. One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly as possible, avoiding occasions of expense by cultivating peace, but remembering also that timely disbursements to prepare for danger frequently prevent much greater disbursements to repel it, avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt, not only by shunning occasions of expense, but by vigorous exertion in time of peace to discharge the debts which unavoidable wars may have occasioned, not ungenerously throwing upon posterity the burden which we ourselves ought to bear. The execution of these maxims belongs to your representatives, but it is necessary that public opinion should co-operate. To facilitate to them the performance of their duty, it is essential that you should practically bear in mind that towards the payment of debts there must be revenue; that to have revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised which are not more or less inconvenient and unpleasant; that the intrinsic embarrassment, inseparable from the selection of the proper objects (which is always a choice of difficulties), ought to be a decisive motive for a candid construction of the conduct of the government in making it, and for a spirit of acquiescence in the measures for obtaining revenue, which the public exigencies may at any time dictate."
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I cant beleive that I am actually going to mention this President as one of the best..He has to be on the Top 5 (Modern History) and I am surprised he has not been mentioned..at least I dont think so...Bill Clinton. Clinton showed what a leader is by reaching across party lines after the 94 mid-term elections and got things done. He left office and the country had a budget surplus and the economy was in decent shape and most importantly we had Peace.
Yeah, for the most part I agree. There's a book about Clinton called The Best of Times: America in the Clinton Years . I probably shouldn't quote this title because I haven't taken the time to look very closely at it but looking back, those were good years. At least people were generally a lot happier then.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I cant beleive that I am actually going to mention this President as one of the best..He has to be on the Top 5 (Modern History) and I am surprised he has not been mentioned..at least I dont think so...Bill Clinton. Clinton showed what a leader is by reaching across party lines after the 94 mid-term elections and got things done. He left office and the country had a budget surplus and the economy was in decent shape and most importantly we had Peace.
Yeah, for the most part I agree. There's a book about Clinton called The Best of Times: America in the Clinton Years . I probably shouldn't quote this title because I haven't taken the time to look very closely at it but looking back, those were good years. At least people were generally a lot happier then.
I cant beleive that I am actually going to mention this President as one of the best..He has to be on the Top 5 (Modern History) and I am surprised he has not been mentioned..at least I dont think so...Bill Clinton. Clinton showed what a leader is by reaching across party lines after the 94 mid-term elections and got things done. He left office and the country had a budget surplus and the economy was in decent shape and most importantly we had Peace.
Yeah, for the most part I agree. There's a book about Clinton called The Best of Times: America in the Clinton Years . I probably shouldn't quote this title because I haven't taken the time to look very closely at it but looking back, those were good years. At least people were generally a lot happier then.
Except for Mogadishu... that was a great time.
You are correct about Somalia. But then again you can look at almost every Presidency and you can see U.S. troops in some part of the world.
Andrew Johnson was an Indian Killer, Woodrow Wilson put feminists in jail for wanting to vote. If I were an Indian or feminist those would be my worst, i guess its perspective.
There was mention of Carter as a worst because of the hostage crisis. I saw a docu filmed 6 years ago where one of those freed hostages is near tears thanking Carter for his life.
I'm wondering if you mean Andrew Jackson???? There was both an Andrew Johnson and a Andrew Jackson to reside in the White House....big difference between the two. :?:
as far as my lifetime: I think in 100 years, GW Bush will be seen as a disaster, bottom 5. Reagan/Clinton will be known as above average to very good... and Obama will be muddled in the middle, but noted for breaking through a historic racial barrier... unless something goes down in the next 4 months, or he gets re-elected.
Carter of course has a bad rap and it will continue into obscurity.... GHW Bush will also be pretty obscure as far as 'good' vs 'bad'. Unfortunately for him, he will be linked closer to GW than RR due to name.
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Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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I just dont have too much good to say in terms of presidents, so I was staying out of posting in this thread (great read though)...but I'll toss my vote in for Bush II being an all out buffoon and an embarrassment to the USA.
Plenty of hate for G.W., maybe we're just being restrained.
You often see Presidents divided into 'modern day' presidents and the old timers. Maybe due to opinion based on experiences vs the old ones being filtered through historians.
I like them all, something likable about each one and it's good to keep a sense of humor
when it comes to our Presidents.
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Oh, we can do a little more Bush bashing for you if you like. :twisted:
Best: FDR, JFK, Obama
Worst: Jackson, Nixon, GWB
Yes they are ALL likeable in their own way cause they are ALL just figureheads listening to a higher force telling them exactly what to do. Even GWBII was likeable, he was always amusing when he was serious.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Some of us just have a hard time talking about that guy.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Reagan's involvement in shutting down mental hospitals alone qualifies him as one of our worst leaders. A lot of people suffered because of those actions and the ranks of the homeless swelled.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Reminds me of a Mission of Burma song.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
lmfao pandy!!
Lets not forget about some other things that happened during his presidency...
Iran come to mind
and also an escalation of the war on drugs that has been a colossal failure...
and
reaganomics...
i know byrnzie has a lot of info about reagan that he has posted in other theads. hopefully he will present it here.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Indeed! I hope Byrnzie makes an appearance!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Reagan definitely didn't do all good or all evil...a god to some, the worst president ever to others...ain't politics grand.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Reagan was not a bad President he also worked with Democrats and helped put the end to the "Evil Empire" (Soviet Union). They economy was in the tank when he took office in Jan. 1981 and still remember the gas lines. Damn I am old. I do think he made one major mistake and that is he helped the Afgahans defeat the Soviets but we didnt stay and help rebuild and that gave way to the Taliban and Al-Queda.
My worst it has to be Nixon. The guy lied and the whole Watergate scandal was really bad for the country at that given time.
The best President has to be George Bush.....j/k George Washington was the best. Here is a small sample of his farewell adress:
"As a very important source of strength and security, cherish public credit. One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly as possible, avoiding occasions of expense by cultivating peace, but remembering also that timely disbursements to prepare for danger frequently prevent much greater disbursements to repel it, avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt, not only by shunning occasions of expense, but by vigorous exertion in time of peace to discharge the debts which unavoidable wars may have occasioned, not ungenerously throwing upon posterity the burden which we ourselves ought to bear. The execution of these maxims belongs to your representatives, but it is necessary that public opinion should co-operate. To facilitate to them the performance of their duty, it is essential that you should practically bear in mind that towards the payment of debts there must be revenue; that to have revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised which are not more or less inconvenient and unpleasant; that the intrinsic embarrassment, inseparable from the selection of the proper objects (which is always a choice of difficulties), ought to be a decisive motive for a candid construction of the conduct of the government in making it, and for a spirit of acquiescence in the measures for obtaining revenue, which the public exigencies may at any time dictate."
Yeah, for the most part I agree. There's a book about Clinton called The Best of Times: America in the Clinton Years . I probably shouldn't quote this title because I haven't taken the time to look very closely at it but looking back, those were good years. At least people were generally a lot happier then.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Except for Mogadishu... that was a great time.
You are correct about Somalia. But then again you can look at almost every Presidency and you can see U.S. troops in some part of the world.
the guy on the money...Jackson.
Worst: Nixon
as far as my lifetime:
I think in 100 years, GW Bush will be seen as a disaster, bottom 5. Reagan/Clinton will be known as above average to very good... and Obama will be muddled in the middle, but noted for breaking through a historic racial barrier... unless something goes down in the next 4 months, or he gets re-elected.
Carter of course has a bad rap and it will continue into obscurity.... GHW Bush will also be pretty obscure as far as 'good' vs 'bad'. Unfortunately for him, he will be linked closer to GW than RR due to name.
Looks like they fixed the glitch that was keeping me at bay. Good to get back into the fray.
Yeah, my fellow Reagan fan has returned! Peace through strength my friend!