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  • Dzoete wrote:
    G'day folks,

    just a little information about the Belgian crowd here.
    Belgians love festivals and gigs,we have different festivals/gigs every weekend during the summer and when we go,we make sure to drink enough beers to be in the right mood offcourse :)
    Rock Werchter for example has been voted for "best global festival" twice in 3 years.All international artists could vote for this,one of the criteria is the crowd and it must be said we stunned many artists with our respons.
    If you have been to a gig in our country you hopefully know what I'm talking about.If you haven't been here,try to come over and experience it,it's worth it,believe me.
    As for PJ in A'pen:legendary concert,I expected so much from them after 15 years but they gave so much more.Respect.


    Keep on rocking and cya next year in Werchter ;)

    Yesterday is history
    Today a gift
    Tomorrow a mystery


    Hi Dzoete!

    I'm from Luxembourg and I traveled a lot around europe to see some concerts as in my country not many show up! I don't wanna spoil your enthusiasm and your patriotism but I've seen many concerts in the last couple of years. Most of them were in Belgium, Germany and France. I visited Rock Werchter every time in the last eight years (Pukkelpop 3x) and I've been to festivals in Germany as well (Rock am Ring, Southside Festival). When it comes to club gigs I visited the ancienne belgique and the cirque royal on numerous occasions. As I've seen many bands perform on belgian soil as well as in other countries I've come to the conclusion that the belgian crowds are everything but not very enthusiastic! They mostly wake up when the bands perform their "greatest hits" and for the rest of the set it tends almost to sleep. When it comes to Rock Werchter this is clearly viewable as the only bands that ever "rocked" the crowd were bands like Faithless or the Chemical Brothers. Not even major headliners like Metallica, Green Day, REM get the belgian crowd moving, of course when they're playin' their biggest hit the crowd awakes but apart from the 2000 people that stand up front there is not much going on!
  • Finally my first Pearl Jam show !!!
    Great setlist for a first show, especially Jeremy sounded much better live than on a bootleg, Do The Evolution, Indifference, Unemployable and Black were awesome. I might've had the worst seeds in the whole building but i really enjoyed the concert and i'll hope they'll keep their promise to come back next year, i'm looking forward to it.
  • AngusAngus Posts: 376
    phatucini wrote:
    Hi Dzoete!

    I'm from Luxembourg and I traveled a lot around europe to see some concerts as in my country not many show up! I don't wanna spoil your enthusiasm and your patriotism but I've seen many concerts in the last couple of years. Most of them were in Belgium, Germany and France. I visited Rock Werchter every time in the last eight years (Pukkelpop 3x) and I've been to festivals in Germany as well (Rock am Ring, Southside Festival). When it comes to club gigs I visited the ancienne belgique and the cirque royal on numerous occasions. As I've seen many bands perform on belgian soil as well as in other countries I've come to the conclusion that the belgian crowds are everything but not very enthusiastic! They mostly wake up when the bands perform their "greatest hits" and for the rest of the set it tends almost to sleep. When it comes to Rock Werchter this is clearly viewable as the only bands that ever "rocked" the crowd were bands like Faithless or the Chemical Brothers. Not even major headliners like Metallica, Green Day, REM get the belgian crowd moving, of course when they're playin' their biggest hit the crowd awakes but apart from the 2000 people that stand up front there is not much going on!

    I know for a fact that lots of bands (mainly playing calmer music) enjoy playing in Belgium more than anywhere else because the crowd actually listens to the music.

    As for Metallica... Metallica has been closing about every tour they've done since 1993 in Belgium. They love playing here and they show it. Do you think they would keep coming here multiple times (no other huge act plays here as often as Metallica) if the crowd was absolutely not enthusiastic?
    *****
    00: 7/2 (cancelled...)
    05: 9/11,9/12,9/13,9/15,9/16,9/19
    06: 8/23,8/30, 9/9, 9/11
    07: 6/26, 6/29
    *****
  • Angus wrote:
    I know for a fact that lots of bands (mainly playing calmer music) enjoy playing in Belgium more than anywhere else because the crowd actually listens to the music.

    As for Metallica... Metallica has been closing about every tour they've done since 1993 in Belgium. They love playing here and they show it. Do you think they would keep coming here multiple times (no other huge act plays here as often as Metallica) if the crowd was absolutely not enthusiastic?

    As true as this might be, I must say that *in general* Belgian audiences are pretty quiet. But for bands who play calmer music that definitly must be an advantage.
  • phatucini wrote:
    Hi Dzoete!

    I'm from Luxembourg and I traveled a lot around europe to see some concerts as in my country not many show up! I don't wanna spoil your enthusiasm and your patriotism but I've seen many concerts in the last couple of years. Most of them were in Belgium, Germany and France. I visited Rock Werchter every time in the last eight years (Pukkelpop 3x) and I've been to festivals in Germany as well (Rock am Ring, Southside Festival). When it comes to club gigs I visited the ancienne belgique and the cirque royal on numerous occasions. As I've seen many bands perform on belgian soil as well as in other countries I've come to the conclusion that the belgian crowds are everything but not very enthusiastic! They mostly wake up when the bands perform their "greatest hits" and for the rest of the set it tends almost to sleep. When it comes to Rock Werchter this is clearly viewable as the only bands that ever "rocked" the crowd were bands like Faithless or the Chemical Brothers. Not even major headliners like Metallica, Green Day, REM get the belgian crowd moving, of course when they're playin' their biggest hit the crowd awakes but apart from the 2000 people that stand up front there is not much going on!


    Unfortunately, being a Belgian, a have to agree with this... I didn't attend many concerts or festivals abroad yet, but still I always have the feeling the Belgian crowd is kind of awaiting and often not very interested. I always get annoyed that so many people seem to only be at a concert to get drunk and have fun with friends.. which is alright, but eventually it's all about the music, isn't it?? In my eyes, not to many Belgians go to a show for the music itself (same with the PJ-show wednesday: so many people there who were there just to take a look...)

    Sorry to disappoint you Dzoete, but fair is fair. I think there ARE better crowds and festivals in the world..
    Being a belgian I was even scared that the belgian PJ-show would not turn out to be as great as everyone hoped, just because of the awaiting and "colder" nature of the Belgian audience. And frankly, I think it was mainly because of the people in the front (mostly foreign people i guess) that the show exploded after a while...

    All the respect for what the audience (including myself) achieved in Antwerp. No matter how or due to who, it was f***ing amazing!!
  • And frankly, I think it was mainly because of the people in the front (mostly foreign people i guess) that the show exploded after a while...

    Now let's not exagerate. Though there were lots of foreigners there (Scotts, Irish people, Germans, and what not), I was in the front and me and a lot of fellow countrymen of mine were rocking out pretty hard.

    Though I must admit, this was the very first time I rocked out like I did. My g/f didn't recognise me. :) I am more of the quiet type generally, but I always come for the music. If I wanna get drunk, I'll go to a bar, they're cheaper to get into.

    Did you know there was no more beer sold after one hour? By request of the band, I've read. Somewhat weird, but I didn't mind.
  • The belgiums are more up to date music wise than France for example, and it's a french man saying so....

    The festivals in Belgium are just unbelievable trust me. having said that, i have to admeit, that i was disapointed, of how the crowd behave and reacted. There were no crowd surfing for example. In reading and in Paris in 2000 and 1996,therer were loads of them, and people were non stop jumping up and down....that was not the case on Wednesday night...

    Hopefully, next time, they'll play in Belgium, they 'll come closer to the french boarder, as the atmosphere seems better towards this side of Belgium, especially when you have a french accent and you don't speak dutch. From that point, the people i was close to in Antwerp, didn't entertain you
  • AngusAngus Posts: 376
    myth4343 wrote:
    Hopefully, next time, they'll play in Belgium, they 'll come closer to the french boarder, as the atmosphere seems better towards this side of Belgium, especially when you have a french accent and you don't speak dutch. From that point, the people i was close to in Antwerp, didn't entertain you

    Hey, I'd love them to play Belgium near the French border since I live there (Flemish side, next to Roubaix-Tourcoing). :)

    But you're absolutely right that Belgian audiences are pretty quiet. And I must admit I'm pretty quiet as well during most concerts (only not during Pearl Jam, then I go mental)

    And yes, before the show I was really afraid of the crowd reaction, I feared a calm, cold crowd. But I was really happy with what we got. And I thank all foreigners who were there for that. I was surrounded by Germans, Irish, Northern Irish, English, Scottish (first few rows, Mike's side) and it was great.
    *****
    00: 7/2 (cancelled...)
    05: 9/11,9/12,9/13,9/15,9/16,9/19
    06: 8/23,8/30, 9/9, 9/11
    07: 6/26, 6/29
    *****
  • myth4343 wrote:
    The belgiums are more up to date music wise than France for example, and it's a french man saying so....

    The festivals in Belgium are just unbelievable trust me. having said that, i have to admeit, that i was disapointed, of how the crowd behave and reacted. There were no crowd surfing for example. In reading and in Paris in 2000 and 1996,therer were loads of them, and people were non stop jumping up and down....that was not the case on Wednesday night...

    Hopefully, next time, they'll play in Belgium, they 'll come closer to the french boarder, as the atmosphere seems better towards this side of Belgium, especially when you have a french accent and you don't speak dutch. From that point, the people i was close to in Antwerp, didn't entertain you

    especially if you don't speak dutch? gee man, thanks.
    if the french in belgium would start learning some decent english then maybe more bands like pearl jam will come to your shithole part of the country. until then, go back worshipping johnny hallyday and whathaveyou...

    as for wednesday, i think you and i were at a different concert cause i jumped off my feet pretty much all of the time, singing at the top of my voice just like everyone else around me. "the people didn't entertain you?" some nerve you got.
  • Alright!! Belgian communal issues on a PJ board... Never thought I'd see that happen. Can't we just laugh about that shit, like Ed did during the gig?
  • JulienJulien Posts: 2,457
    pearlwax wrote:
    Alright!! Belgian communal issues on a PJ board... Never thought I'd see that happen. Can't we just laugh about that shit, like Ed did during the gig?

    Yes, let's forget these stupid "problems" of languages in Belgium.
    I am belgian and not Wallon or flemish...
    Let's laugh about that...
    I think the crowd's reaction was as it had to be: not too quiet, not too hard...
    As a belgian, I must say that it's true we are quite calm.. but for myself I have an excuse: I have glasses (I even almost broke them on Wednesday)...
    2006: Antwerp, Paris
    2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
    2009: Rotterdam, London
    2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
    2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
    2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
  • pearlwax wrote:
    Alright!! Belgian communal issues on a PJ board... Never thought I'd see that happen. Can't we just laugh about that shit, like Ed did during the gig?

    I agree.. This has nothing to do with the fact that you speak french or dutch or german...I don't care if they'd played in Brussels, Wallonia.. Location and languages don't matter
    It's all about music here. And everyone agrees that it was fantastic show, so why starting such a discussion.. nobody cares

    peace in belgium
    "Some die just to live..."
  • To speak some decent english, i think i can manage easily....

    First of all i'm not belgium, i'm French, and i don't see why i sould be treated badly, and annoyed by some Chaps because of my language....

    Didn't really like the atmosphere anyway, in england it was 10 times better, as it'll be in Paris....

    A shame, to be screwed up, by weirdos.....
  • JulienJulien Posts: 2,457
    First of all i'm not belgium, i'm French, and i don't see why i sould be treated badly, and annoyed by some Chaps because of my language....
    Didn't really like the atmosphere anyway, in england it was 10 times better, as it'll be in Paris....[/quote]

    Jesus!! I began to be active on this forum two or three weeks ago and this is the second thread where french speak about problem of language, etc...
    I don't understand...
    Personally, I went to several concerts in France and Belgium and I must say I prefer in Belgium...
    2006: Antwerp, Paris
    2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
    2009: Rotterdam, London
    2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
    2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
    2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
  • i went to pukkelpop this year was awesome loved the athmosphere!!!!!!!

    I may have bumped on the wrong chaps that must be it, let's forget about this concersation and stick to the music!!!!!!!

    I'm not saying that concerts that are being hold in France are better. I was stating the fact, that the PJ gigs in paris in 96 and 2000 and at Reading this year, were more energetic let's put it this way....
  • myth4343 wrote:
    To speak some decent english, i think i can manage easily....

    First of all i'm not belgium, i'm French, and i don't see why i sould be treated badly, and annoyed by some Chaps because of my language....

    Didn't really like the atmosphere anyway, in england it was 10 times better, as it'll be in Paris....

    A shame, to be screwed up, by weirdos.....

    :rolleyes:

    Dude, in case you didn't notice: only one person gave you a hard time, the rest of us stood up for you.

    The atmosphere was just fine where I was. And like someone else already said: I was surrounded by Germans, English, Scotts, Irish... (so how could the atmosphere be better than in England? They were all here!!) and Belgians.

    Personally, I like the French a lot - especially French women.

    But hey, if you wanna make this an issue of nationalities, go right ahead and move to The Moving Train. They eat French people - 'frogs' as they like to call them - for breakfast.

    Anyway, see you in Paris.
  • JulienJulien Posts: 2,457
    I would have liked to be in reading.. the setlists sounds great.
    Hope the gig in Paris will be as good or even better than the Antwerp's one (my first one...).
    See you there in 10 days !!!
    2006: Antwerp, Paris
    2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
    2009: Rotterdam, London
    2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
    2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
    2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
  • AngusAngus Posts: 376
    myth4343 wrote:
    I was stating the fact, that the PJ gigs in paris in 96 and 2000 and at Reading this year, were more energetic let's put it this way....

    I know someone who was at Paris 96 and 2000 and she doesn't want to go this year because of the way too energetic (read: agressive) public.
    Some people prefer to listen to the music instead of dealing with pushers, crowdsurfers & moshers...
    *****
    00: 7/2 (cancelled...)
    05: 9/11,9/12,9/13,9/15,9/16,9/19
    06: 8/23,8/30, 9/9, 9/11
    07: 6/26, 6/29
    *****
  • JaymacJaymac Posts: 513
    Julien wrote:
    I would have liked to be in reading.. the setlists sounds great.
    Hope the gig in Paris will be as good or even better than the Antwerp's one (my first one...).
    See you there in 10 days !!!

    Antwerp had a great setlist - the encores especially were incredible.. It'll be hard to top it in Paris :)
    23/08/2006 - Dublin; 29/08/2006 - Arnhem; 30/08/2006 - Antwerp; 18/06/2007 - London; 18/08/2009 - London<br>

    Proud member of the European Touring Bus 2006!
  • JulienJulien Posts: 2,457
    I'm sure (unfortunately) that the show in Paris will not be as good as antwerp's one, at least for 2 reasons: I wil be seated and wednesday was my first PJ show...
    2006: Antwerp, Paris
    2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
    2009: Rotterdam, London
    2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
    2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
    2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
  • here are some pictures center front row.. altho my camera ain't the greatest, there are some "decent" pictures amongst them... ;-)

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/80162617@N00/

    Awesome pics.
    We're still making records for people who listen to it all the way through, eyes closed, in that space.
  • I shouldn't have posted this thread to be honest,it turns into issues I really didn't want.
    All I was saying is that the Belgian crowd loves festivals as we have so many of them with all kinds of different music.I never said we are the best crowd there is,I just like the atmosphere at all the gigs I've been to here the last 18 years.We have like a minimum on rules and that's exactly what makes it special.
    There was absolutely no point in someone replying that we just like "greatest hits",you might as well say we don't know anything about music and that's not the case.
    Anyways,having said that,love you all and enjoy the next gigs :)

    Have fun,

    David
  • datsdats Posts: 118
    Oh my god!!! What more can I say? Arnhem was my first PJ show ever, and I was AMAZING! I was in front row with Jaymac (Hi mate, Cato here) and the rest of the Touring Bus 06, and I got both Jeff's and Ed's pick!!! I'm in heaven, that's all the words I have to describe these two shows.
    I'm the guy far right in Jaymac's picture, holding the plastic cup:
    http://images.jaymac.info/album/albums/pearljam/normal_IMG_2911.JPG

    I have taken lots of pictures as well, and I'll post them here tomorrow. I just got home from Antwerp, and I don't have time to post them today.

    Anyway, hi again John, it was two awesome shows, and I'm glad to have met you, Kathryn and the rest of ETB06! Talk to you more later :)
    Arnhem 08.29.06, Antwerp 08.30.06, Copenhagen 06.26.07, Manchester 08.17.09, London 08.18.09, Berlin 06.30.10
  • JaymacJaymac Posts: 513
    le'Dats wrote:
    Oh my god!!! What more can I say? Arnhem was my first PJ show ever, and I was AMAZING! I was in front row with Jaymac (Hi mate, Cato here) and the rest of the Touring Bus 06, and I got both Jeff's and Ed's pick!!! I'm in heaven, that's all the words I have to describe these two shows.
    I'm the guy far right in Jaymac's picture, holding the plastic cup:
    http://images.jaymac.info/album/albums/pearljam/normal_IMG_2911.JPG

    I have taken lots of pictures as well, and I'll post them here tomorrow. I just got home from Antwerp, and I don't have time to post them today.

    Anyway, hi again John, it was two awesome shows, and I'm glad to have met you, Kathryn and the rest of ETB06! Talk to you more later :)

    Hi Cato! Glad you got home safely.. You were a Godsend on Wednesday night - thanks so much for letting us shower and rest in your hotel room :)

    Hopefully see you next year!
    23/08/2006 - Dublin; 29/08/2006 - Arnhem; 30/08/2006 - Antwerp; 18/06/2007 - London; 18/08/2009 - London<br>

    Proud member of the European Touring Bus 2006!
  • Being a belgian, I don't care what language to speak. All I'm saying is: let the guitar speak, it can say so much more then words. I really love music, especially Pearl Jam!
    Talkin' to herself, theres no one else who needs to know...
    She tells herself, oh...
  • I didn't want this to happen!! I may be thinkin' that belgian crowds are not as energetic as some other crowds but I didn't say that they're not awesome to be around!! Hey I wouldn't come to your cute little country every year to witness the wonderful Werchter & Pukkelpop if it wasn't a blast!!!

    As I already said I've been to your country numerous times and will do so as often as possible. There are positive aspects as well when it comes to calm belgian crowds. Nowhere else you can go up right in front of a main stage in a huge festival like RockAmRing or Reading and not have to fight constantly for your position when the headliners are on stage! I love to chill and get drunk as hell on your concerts and festivals!!

    You only know how good it is to drink stella or jupiler for 3 days once you've had to do german beer like beck's or bitburger for 3 days man that's not real fun!

    The concert in antwerp wednesday was awesome and that's all that counts, period!!!!
  • I've been to Arnhem and Antwerp (Paris & Berlin still to come)
    There was a review in a Dutch newspaper saying "they did what they didn't do 6 years ago: jump around like maniacs, sweat, run around the stage and really enjoy the show. I must say I liked the Arnhem show but Antwerp was better for me. Pearl Jam is back...
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  • Was also on the amazing show in Antwerp. Not the best place, but who cares, PJ was for the first time here in our country. The atmosphere was great, i was sitting, but after a time, i couldn't hold it anymore and jumped right.
    Thought the time after "Black" was one of the most beautiful moments.
    I hope they're come next year, but NOT on the Werchterfestival!!!! No, give that fucking Schueremans not such a great honour!

    Next week a short trip to Marseille, yes, yes,yes!
  • PETEN wrote:
    I hope they're come next year, but NOT on the Werchterfestival!!!! No, give that fucking Schueremans not such a great honour!

    I'm with you on that. Seems like everybody (check out the Standaard blog) wants them on Werchter. Well I don't.

    I was pretty happy with Sportpaleis. Smaller venues are not gonna happen and god help us if they go to Vorst.
  • JulienJulien Posts: 2,457
    Not Werchter !!!
    The smallest is the best !!!
    Voorst (the new one will maybe be finished ?) or Sportpalies again (not a bad venue) or Ancienne Belgique (that would be so great in such a small place, just for fans !!!)
    But not Werchter !!!
    2006: Antwerp, Paris
    2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
    2009: Rotterdam, London
    2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
    2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
    2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
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