Obama declares support for gay marriage

catefrances

NewJPage wrote:

catefrances wrote:

as a person it gave me a thrill to hear obama vocalise his support of gay marriage. but now he needs to make those words mean something. i wish my prime minister had the cojones to do the same.

what country are you in?

im australian. but im currently visiting the land of guns and cheese.

NewJPage

catefrances wrote:

NewJPage wrote:

catefrances wrote:

as a person it gave me a thrill to hear obama vocalise his support of gay marriage. but now he needs to make those words mean something. i wish my prime minister had the cojones to do the same.

what country are you in?

im australian. but im currently visiting the land of guns and cheese.

AHH. I'll be going back there next week for my brothers wedding Then australia for research in July. Maybe i'll bump into you!

catefrances

NewJPage wrote:

catefrances wrote:

NewJPage wrote:

what country are you in?

im australian. but im currently visiting the land of guns and cheese.

AHH. I'll be going back there next week for my brothers wedding Then australia for research in July. Maybe i'll bump into you!

maybe.. ill be the one wearing black.

yosi

It's about time.

Jason P

catefrances wrote:

im australian. but im currently visiting the land of guns and cheese.

Your in Wisconsin?

catefrances

Jason P wrote:

catefrances wrote:

im australian. but im currently visiting the land of guns and cheese.

Your in Wisconsin?

no. but there appears to be cheese on everything no matter where i go in your country. yesterday i ordered a burger and the guy asked me if i wanted cheese on it even though cheese wasnt one of the ingredients listed as being on the burger on the menu(everything else had cheese on it tho). i thought wtf? i def wouldnt want to be lactose intolerant.

Newch91

catefrances wrote:

Jason P wrote:

catefrances wrote:

im australian. but im currently visiting the land of guns and cheese.

Your in Wisconsin?

no. but there appears to be cheese on everything no matter where i go in your country. yesterday i ordered a burger and the guy asked me if i wanted cheese on it even though cheese wasnt one of the ingredients listed as being on the burger on the menu(everything else had cheese on it tho). i thought wtf? i def wouldnt want to be lactose intolerant.

Gotta have your lactaid pills wherever you go!

pjl44

NewJPage wrote:

pjl44 wrote:

Great perspective for those falling all over themselves with pride for Obama:

http://gawker.com/5909002/barack-obamas ... =pulsenews

While technically the article is correct, and I agree with its premise, its also a load of crap. To discount the significance of this shows a lack of understanding of history in our country. While yes, it would be great if everyone had civil rights from day one (founders botched that one), historically, every single one has had to be fought for, all taking at minimum, decades, some centuries. This current debate has had a much shorter mainstream debate than past instances, and Obama has made the most critical step yet in the fight for equality. So no, it is not perfect, but it is significant, historical, and gutsy, and for that he is due credit.

I disagree completely. To say you personally support it, but would still allow states to deny it, shows a lack of acknowledgement that this is discrimination. A position like that allows for no more practical application than a position that opposes it. People in favor of this should be calling for action, not some politically driven blessing.

peacefrompaul

catefrances wrote:

Jason P wrote:

catefrances wrote:

im australian. but im currently visiting the land of guns and cheese.

Your in Wisconsin?

no. but there appears to be cheese on everything no matter where i go in your country. yesterday i ordered a burger and the guy asked me if i wanted cheese on it even though cheese wasnt one of the ingredients listed as being on the burger on the menu(everything else had cheese on it tho). i thought wtf? i def wouldnt want to be lactose intolerant.

Yeah we have a lot of cows. A lot of cheese.

catefrances

peacefrompaul wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Your in Wisconsin?

no. but there appears to be cheese on everything no matter where i go in your country. yesterday i ordered a burger and the guy asked me if i wanted cheese on it even though cheese wasnt one of the ingredients listed as being on the burger on the menu(everything else had cheese on it tho). i thought wtf? i def wouldnt want to be lactose intolerant.

Yeah we have a lot of cows. A lot of cheese.

i dont do cows.

peacefrompaul

catefrances wrote:

i dont do cows.

okay

pjhawks

i really don't understand people who try and say Obama saying this is not a big deal. in 50 years when the issue of gay marriage has long been passed the history books will have Obama as being the 1st President to ever support it. even though there is little chance of it passing during his 2nd term Obama has immediately given the cause a kick in the right direction. no one else in the world coming out in support of it could make even a ripple of effect as much as the Potus. It will have a long term effect on the issue, even if the a positive effect on the election is minimal.

and an unsaid benefit of him saying it is that maybe there are others who are in support but fear the reaction. now that that potus has said it makes it easier to support.

brianlux

Awe, come on. It's un-American not to have high cholesterol.

How did we get from... oh wait, that's right, I forgot, the train entered the Twilight Zone.

(Sorry, sleep deprivation )

catefrances

brianlux wrote:

Awe, come on. It's un-American not to have high cholesterol.

How did we get from... oh wait, that's right, I forgot, the train entered the Twilight Zone.

(Sorry, sleep deprivation )

so glad im not american if thats a requirement. :P

Godfather.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05 ... dorsement/

like I said ...he's a politican...
maybe not all that great but still what a move...well played Mr. President you have the bigger part of the gay community eating out of your hands now and you will make a few bucks doing it.

Godfather.

peacefrompaul

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/10/obama-raising-hollywood-money-on-heels-gay-marriage-endorsement/

like I said ...he's a politican...
maybe not all that great but still what a move...well played Mr. President you have the bigger part of the gay community eating out of your hands now and you will make a few bucks doing it.

Godfather.

For those that don't like Fox News

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/us/po ... ff.html?hp

pjl44

pjhawks wrote:

i really don't understand people who try and say Obama saying this is not a big deal. in 50 years when the issue of gay marriage has long been passed the history books will have Obama as being the 1st President to ever support it. even though there is little chance of it passing during his 2nd term Obama has immediately given the cause a kick in the right direction. no one else in the world coming out in support of it could make even a ripple of effect as much as the Potus. It will have a long term effect on the issue, even if the a positive effect on the election is minimal.

and an unsaid benefit of him saying it is that maybe there are others who are in support but fear the reaction. now that that potus has said it makes it easier to support.

If in 1915 someone said they believed women should have the right to vote, but was OK with states that disallowed it, you feel that person should be celebrated historically?

inlet13

Good article on the subject:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-pos ... y-marriage

Obama Embraces Gay Marriage

Unlike virtually every mainstream media commentator or political talking head I don’t care about Obama embracing gay marriage.

Now I know that a lot of people on the left — disappointed by his banker-friendly, PATRIOT Act-renewing, indefinite-detention-enabling, American-citizen-assassinating regime — are searching for any reason to vote for him, and plausible reason to defend his record. That’s the nature of tribal politics — “anti-war” Democrats will happily protest the Bush war machine, but they seem quiet when Obama is the one using drone strikes to assassinate American citizens without trial. I don’t like Mitt Romney either, but that’s not the point.

Even for those in favour of gay marriage, let’s not forget that Obama is capable of doing absolutely zero to change the law. Want to introduce a law allowing homosexual couples to marry? Good luck getting it through the Republican Congress.

I’m in favour of consenting adults being able to do whatever they like with each other, but the fact that the current push for gay marriage is supported by Lloyd Blankfein and Goldman Sachs makes me very suspicious (does he want to sell securitised gay marriage debt?).

It just seems like an easy issue for Obama to posture on, while trampling the Constitution into the dirt.

When it comes to civil liberties, Obama has always talked a good game, and then acted more authoritarian than Bush. He talked about an end to the abuses of the Bush years and an open and transparent government, yet extended the Fourth-Amendment-shredding Patriot Act, empowered the TSA to produce naked body scans and engage in humiliatingly sexual pat-downs, signed indefinite detention of American citizens into law, claimed and exercised the power to assassinate American citizens without trial, and aggressively prosecuted whistleblowers. Under his watch the U.S. army even produced a document planning for the reeducation of political activists in internment camps. Reeducation camps? In America? And some on the left are still crowing that talking about being in favour of gay marriage makes him “pro civil liberties”? Is this a joke?

Here are a few metrics that we should be judging Obama on:

People not in the labour force is spiking:

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The public debt keeps soaring and soaring from eyeball-watering multi-trillion dollar deficits:

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Meanwhile India, Iran, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Japan have all ditched the dollar for other currencies in new bilateral trade agreements — which lest us forget is America’s biggest export, and the product that keeps goods and oil flowing into America. This is an extremely dangerous time. While we cannot lump Obama with the blame for the entire U.S. economic system — the system we have was accumulated via Bush, and Cheney, and Paulson, and Clinton, and Bush, and Reagan, and Carter, and Brzezinski, and Nixon, and Kissinger, and Johnson, and Roosevelt and Wilson and Lincoln and probably most significantly of all the father of central banking Alexander Hamilton — Obama certainly has not improved matters.

And it should be obvious to anyone paying attention that Romney — who claims he would support the NDAA and the PATRIOT Act, that he wants to attack Iran, and has hired many ex-Bush staffers, as well as winning the endorsement of both Jeb and George H.W. Bush, and bizarrely claiming to want to start a trade war with China — is cut from the exact same cloth as Bush and Obama.

This is a dead election. Here’s hoping that Ron Paul — who continues to pick up delegates in the Republican race even while being ignored by the mainstream media who would rather talk about Obama’s posturing on gay rights — can cause some mayhem.

Johnny Abruzzo

Having thought about this for a day I think my initial reaction was wrong. I thought it was a nifty political stunt, but now that I think about it this isn't really gonna help him win the election.

Therefore I think it was indeed a courageous and gutsy move. We all know it is simply a nudge in the right direction, but that's part of the process. Change doesn't happen overnight.

It was fun to read the bigoted reactions of all the righties.

Cliffy6745

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Having thought about this for a day I think my initial reaction was wrong. I thought it was a nifty political stunt, but now that I think about it this isn't really gonna help him win the election.

Therefore I think it was indeed a courageous and gutsy move. We all know it is simply a nudge in the right direction, but that's part of the process. Change doesn't happen overnight.

It was fun to read the bigoted reactions of all the righties.

Be careful, if you use the word bigot, you'll be accused of being a bigot.