Obama declares support for gay marriage

brianlux

Just saw this and already six pages of posts. I suppose it's possible that this is just a political move as some here have stated but I don't get that sense and it's great to hear the president come right out and give same sex marriage his support . Well done, Mr. President!

Pepe Silvia

i still don't get all the applauding of obama over this. it sure is easy to take a 'stand' when all you're doing is saying a few empty words. so he SAYS he supports it....big fuckin deal, he also said it's a state issue so in other words he supports it but won't do anything to defend it, whatta guy!

inlet13

Pepe Silvia wrote:

i still don't get all the applauding of obama over this. it sure is easy to take a 'stand' when all you're doing is saying a few empty words. so he SAYS he supports it....big fuckin deal, he also said it's a state issue so in other words he supports it but won't do anything to defend it, whatta guy!

It's typical cheer-leading. People who root this sort of behavior on - show themselves as Democratic operatives. They put the "D" letter before the actual issues and implementation of policies they support. If you pretend you're going to do something they should cheer on, as if they are a "studio audience" they applaud. See video of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0xtUfjv4zE

Clearly, if it was another topic, under different circumstances, Republican operatives pom-poms would be shown too. It's not just Dems. It's simply people putting party before "implementation of policy".

But, at the end of the day, it basically shows the lack of objectivity and shows how ignorant people are.

This guy they are cheering is the same guy who had Rendell saying this "yesterday"...

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/big_ ... 61255.html

..yesterday he's against it, and tada... now he's for it.

PJ_Soul

81 wrote:

fuck marriage...and it's sham

:roll:

Prince Of Dorkness

It's been a pretty interesting read.

Partiulary the crying about how the Democrats are trying to shift people's attention to social issues.

Because Republicans have NEVER done that before. :fp:

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Barack Obama is a brilliant political mind and many people have underestimated him and paid the price. He did this at the perfect time. And while he's late to the party, he's still welcome to join in.

Last-12-Exit

keeponrockin wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

hello ! you can't see he's trying buy votes and support ?....wake up man..he's a politican (kinda) he may not be very good at it but he just suckered a whole page of train members and if he gets re-elected he WILL drop the gay marrige issue like a bad habit and at that point I WILL say I TOLD YOU SO....


Godfather.

you can't be serious!??

who the cuss is going to vote for obama now that he supports same sex marriage that wouldn't have voted for him anyways? ... if anything, he's alienated voters ...

This.

If one supports same sex marriage, there's a 99% chance they already support Obama.

If one Supported Obama, there's a smaller chance that they support SS marriage.

I support gay marriage, but I won't be voting for obama, or romney. Where's Ross Perot when u need him?

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

you can't be serious!??

who the cuss is going to vote for obama now that he supports same sex marriage that wouldn't have voted for him anyways? ... if anything, he's alienated voters ...

This.

If one supports same sex marriage, there's a 99% chance they already support Obama.

If one Supported Obama, there's a smaller chance that they support SS marriage.

I support gay marriage, but I won't be voting for obama, or romney. Where's Ross Perot when u need him?

So... are you voting Independent? Green Party? Please don't say you won't vote for anyone.

PJ_Soul

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

It's been a pretty interesting read.

Partiulary the crying about how the Democrats are trying to shift people's attention to social issues.

Because Republicans have NEVER done that before. :fp:

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Barack Obama is a brilliant political mind and many people have underestimated him and paid the price. He did this at the perfect time. And while he's late to the party, he's still welcome to join in.

Nit that I have a say, but I totally agree with you. Plus, I honestly believe that Obama is a genuinely good man (not that that helps anyone in politics). He's a good man in A crowd with a lot of creeps in it... that makes things tough. I know some might doubt this opinion, but I don't care. I still believe it.

know1

I heard Bill Maher on a local radio station yesterday say that he felt in Obama's first term we got the "white" presidency and that his second term we'd get the "black" presidency.

If a conservative had said that, the world would go nuts. Maher was saying it in what he felt was a good way.

pjl44

Great perspective for those falling all over themselves with pride for Obama:

http://gawker.com/5909002/barack-obamas ... =pulsenews

polaris_x

know1 wrote:

I heard Bill Maher on a local radio station yesterday say that he felt in Obama's first term we got the "white" presidency and that his second term we'd get the "black" presidency.

If a conservative had said that, the world would go nuts. Maher was saying it in what he felt was a good way.

i think bill maher is a conservative ... he's just not a neo-con or these faux-conservatives ...

mysticweed

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

hello ! you can't see he's trying buy votes and support ?....wake up man..he's a politican (kinda) he may not be very good at it but he just suckered a whole page of train members and if he gets re-elected he WILL drop the gay marrige issue like a bad habit and at that point I WILL say I TOLD YOU SO....


Godfather.

you can't be serious!??

who the cuss is going to vote for obama now that he supports same sex marriage that wouldn't have voted for him anyways? ... if anything, he's alienated voters ...

i agree
the majority goes against gay marriage
i voted in north carolina knowing full well the futility of my action
north carolina wasn't even voting for gay marriage, but to clarify the definition of marriage to quell future attempts of gays to marry. . .
no one can enter a civil union or a domestic partnership now

NewJPage

mysticweed wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

hello ! you can't see he's trying buy votes and support ?....wake up man..he's a politican (kinda) he may not be very good at it but he just suckered a whole page of train members and if he gets re-elected he WILL drop the gay marrige issue like a bad habit and at that point I WILL say I TOLD YOU SO....


Godfather.

you can't be serious!??

who the cuss is going to vote for obama now that he supports same sex marriage that wouldn't have voted for him anyways? ... if anything, he's alienated voters ...

i agree
the majority goes against gay marriage
i voted in north carolina knowing full well the futility of my action
north carolina wasn't even voting for gay marriage, but to clarify the definition of marriage to quell future attempts of gays to marry. . .
no one can enter a civil union or a domestic partnership now

support for gay marriage is the current majority, 50%-45%. It has been increasing by an average of 2% a year for about a decade. In another 20 years it will be a non issue. Glad Obama is on the right side of history on this

NewJPage

pjl44 wrote:

Great perspective for those falling all over themselves with pride for Obama:

http://gawker.com/5909002/barack-obamas ... =pulsenews

While technically the article is correct, and I agree with its premise, its also a load of crap. To discount the significance of this shows a lack of understanding of history in our country. While yes, it would be great if everyone had civil rights from day one (founders botched that one), historically, every single one has had to be fought for, all taking at minimum, decades, some centuries. This current debate has had a much shorter mainstream debate than past instances, and Obama has made the most critical step yet in the fight for equality. So no, it is not perfect, but it is significant, historical, and gutsy, and for that he is due credit.

gimmesometruth27

NewJPage wrote:

pjl44 wrote:

Great perspective for those falling all over themselves with pride for Obama:

http://gawker.com/5909002/barack-obamas ... =pulsenews

While technically the article is correct, and I agree with its premise, its also a load of crap. To discount the significance of this shows a lack of understanding of history in our country. While yes, it would be great if everyone had civil rights from day one (founders botched that one), historically, every single one has had to be fought for, all taking at minimum, decades, some centuries. This current debate has had a much shorter mainstream debate than past instances, and Obama has made the most critical step yet in the fight for equality. So no, it is not perfect, but it is significant, historical, and gutsy, and for that he is due credit.

exactly. well stated :clap:

nobody has gained civil rights overnight. but this is a step in the right direction. nobody has gotten anything rightswise without a fight.

polaris_x

NewJPage wrote:

support for gay marriage is the current majority, 50%-45%. It has been increasing by an average of 2% a year for about a decade. In another 20 years it will be a non issue. Glad Obama is on the right side of history on this

interesting story related to this ... our senior legal counsel in the company i worked for happened to have dinner by fluke with our ex-prime minister jean chretien ... one of the things they talked about was gay marriage ... he told her that in his time as PM - the single most divisive issue he had to deal with was this ... not the war in iraq or the sponsorship scandal .. it was gay marriage ... and the reason why is because people's prejudiced towards gays are largely hidden ... so, in public - many people will say they support gay rights but in the privacy of their own homes they feel different ... we've come a long way but it isn't as far as we'd like ...

pandora

I don't think it was gutsy at all ...
now a Republican doing the same would be.

This he must do for the votes from his party it would have been a real cop out not to
after his campaign support of gays the first go around.

And it is an election year...
he needs the votes after performing in many ways, as far as polls go, perhaps less than
what was hoped for. He is not a sure win.... yet

I am very glad he spoke up and took this stance but it changes nothing, not today.

And it appears the Republican stance is ...
the term marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman,
throughout history and should remain so...
which was also expected.

So we get no where once again because there can be no compromise even when the goal
is equal rights for all.

NewJPage

pandora wrote:

I don't think it was gutsy at all ...
now a Republican doing the same would be.

This he must do for the votes from his party it would have been a real cop out not to
after his campaign support of gays the first go around.

And it is an election year...
he needs the votes after performing in many ways, as far as polls go, perhaps less than
what was hoped for. He is not a sure win.... yet

I am very glad he spoke up and took this stance but it changes nothing, not today.

And it appears the Republican stance is ...
the term marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman,
throughout history and should remain so...
which was also expected.

So we get no where once again because there can be no compromise even when the goal
is equal rights for all.

A prominent republican has come out in support of it, Dick Cheney. But he did it when he was out of office. This is the first president EVER to do it. It will also alienate some blue dogs. It is gutsy.

His campaign did not support gay marriage the first time around

It is hard to tell how this will play in November, but it is surely not something that will turn a LOT of votes in his favor. It will marginally help (firing up the base) or hurt (alienating moderates) him. Overall, this is not a thing that will win him a lot of votes in November.

Romney's stance is no marriage and no civil unions. And historically marriage is not between a man and woman, but that has been pointed out many times already and you do not want to address it for some reason.

I am pretty sure Obama is not expecting the current Republican party to compromise with him on this. Don't think that was even a consideration.

catefrances

as a person it gave me a thrill to hear obama vocalise his support of gay marriage. but now he needs to make those words mean something. i wish my prime minister had the cojones to do the same.

NewJPage

catefrances wrote:

as a person it gave me a thrill to hear obama vocalise his support of gay marriage. but now he needs to make those words mean something. i wish my prime minister had the cojones to do the same.

what country are you in?