Obama declares support for gay marriage
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What do you mean? He was nailing a prostitute on a regular basis!BinauralJam wrote:With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
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It's great he (finally) spoke up. I figured he would've back when things were heated up out here in California and other states...but better late than never, I suppose. I can't say whether his words are sincere or manipulated, though I sure hope they're genuine. I want to believe they are.
My question is this - how is anyone supposed to come to a meeting of the minds on this issue, or even get somewhere possibly close - when there's so much animosity?
Not just here, mind you, but all over.0 -
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keeponrockin wrote:
:shock: ....waoooooo that just sounds freakey.
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Each book of the New testement sure does make a big deal about that kiss from Judas :shock:I can't go the library anymore, everyone STINKS!!0 -
hedonist wrote:It's great he (finally) spoke up. I figured he would've back when things were heated up out here in California and other states...but better late than never, I suppose. I can't say whether his words are sincere or manipulated, though I sure hope they're genuine. I want to believe they are.
My question is this - how is anyone supposed to come to a meeting of the minds on this issue, or even get somewhere possibly close - when there's so much animosity?
Not just here, mind you, but all over.
I think he has always been pro-Gay Marriage, but, unfortunately, as Jon Meacham once said, the truth has no place in politics; i.e. you have to keep your mouth shut and play politics.
I also think that he is as secular as he can be. I feel that I can spot a fellow agnostic when I see one.
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hedonist wrote:It's great he (finally) spoke up. I figured he would've back when things were heated up out here in California and other states...but better late than never, I suppose. I can't say whether his words are sincere or manipulated, though I sure hope they're genuine. I want to believe they are.
My question is this - how is anyone supposed to come to a meeting of the minds on this issue, or even get somewhere possibly close - when there's so much animosity?
Not just here, mind you, but all over.
I think he is taking it one step at a time. First it was repealing Don't ask Don't tell and now he has come out in favour of Gay marriage. He knows he won't get it all done in one go so there's no point in putting all his cards on the table at once.
To answer your question I think if he gets re elected he can now say that he made everyone well aware of his intentions on legalising gay marriage and therefore he has a mandate(no pun intended) on giving gays marriage rights.I can't go the library anymore, everyone STINKS!!0 -
BTW, I trust no one was surprised by this... I'd be really shocked if someone said they didn't already assume that he supported same sex marriage if they knew anything about him. I'm glad that he's now actually come out and endorsed it... but it's not like we didn't all know it already. I think all it does is give some new hope for the direction society is taking. First the first black president, now the first time a president has actually stated his support for SS marriage... that is a good direction for sure. It reflects what society as a whole is moving towards. I hope the next election doesn't fuck it up and stop the progress in its tracks.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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mikepegg44 wrote:peacefrompaul wrote:PJ_Soul wrote:I mean, the Constitution CLEARLY makes it illegal to deny SS marriage
Does it? Where?
I was thinking the same thing, and I would think it would be a solid argument to argue that the 14th amendment is being violated.
Now if you wanted to argue that government should not be in the marriage business I am all ears, but if they are going to pass laws there needs to be equal protection. Separate but equal is not equality as we all know. So this civil union non-sense has got to stop. It isn't the same as being married whether the rights are the same or not, whether the word is the same or not...everyone knows it isn't equal, or we would still see segregated government buildings.
I was thinking the 14th as well, but not in my own interpretation. Agree with you on the other points as well.0 -
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Responses form the looney-tunes:
Right-wing leaders quickly denounced the president for supporting marriage equality.
Not surprisingly, right-wing activists have been quick to denounce President Obama for announcing his support for equal marriage rights for gay couples.
Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, who ran unsuccessfully for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, is using Obama's announcement to raise funds for his political action committee, Huck PAC, which supports conservative candidates, The Hill reports. He posted this pitch on his Huck PAC website:
"Barack Obama just announced he supports same-sex marriage. Nancy Pelosi immediately jumped on the announcement and emailed Democrat activists nationwide promising to continue their fight. This is going to be a defining issue this election. Obama, Pelosi and the Democrats have been a complete failure on economic issues so now they are going to focus on issues that will rile up their base.
"Well, Mr. President it's going to rile up our folks also. Men and women who support traditional marriage.
"Now I know you support traditional marriage, but what I really need to know today, is will you fight for it this election? If so, please send a donation of $10 or more to Huck PAC immediately. We only support candidates who support traditional marriage and who are pro-life. We'll make sure Congress and our state legislatures are stacked with conservatives who don't want our President and the federal government defining marriage for us."
Some others who weighed in:
Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage: "President Obama has now made the definition of marriage a defining issue in the presidential contest, especially in swing states like Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida and Nevada."
Maggie Gallagher, NOM cofounder: "On the one hand, morally this is good because lying to the American people is always wrong. President Obama has come clean that he is for gay marriage. Politically, we welcome this. We think it's a huge mistake. President Obama is choosing the money over the voters the day after 61% of North Carolinians in a key swing state demonstrated they oppose gay marriage. We now have clear choice between Romney and Obama, and we look forward to demonstrating in November that it's a bad idea for a national candidate to support gay marriage. Marriage is a winning issue for the GOP."
Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council: "The president's announcement today that he supports legalizing same-sex marriage finally brings his words in sync with his actions. From opposing state marriage amendments to refusing to defend the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DoMA) to giving taxpayer funded marriage benefits to same-sex couples, the President has undermined the spirit if not the letter of the law.
"As demonstrated by yesterday's overwhelming vote in North Carolina, redefining marriage remains outside the mainstream of American politics, especially in the critical battleground states and among minority voters. In North Carolina, the amendment received more than 60% of the vote in majority-black counties.
"Considering that 10 of the 16 battleground states have marriage amendments that could be overturned by the president's new policy position on marriage, today's announcement almost ensures that marriage will again be a major issue in the presidential election.
"The president has provided a clear contrast between him and his challenger Mitt Romney. Romney, who has signed a pledge to support a marriage protection amendment to the U.S. Constitution, may have been handed the key to social conservative support by President Obama."
Mat Staver, Chairman of Liberty Counsel Action: "America is headed in the wrong direction: we are on the edge of a moral, financial, spiritual, and national security abyss. President Obama’s 2012 campaign slogan is ‘Forward.’ The Titanic was moving forward but headed to disaster. We need to change course.”
Former Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum: "The announcement today by President Obama should come as no surprise to the American public. President Obama has consistently fought against protecting the institution of marriage from radical social engineering at both the state and federal level."
Minnesota congresswoman and former GOP presidential candidate Michele Bachmann: "The president's announcement today shows how out of touch he is the values of American families. The president continues to practice the politics of division and diversion. He's tried to divide the country over gender, education, class, and now he's attempting to divide families all as a diversion to his failed economic policies that have affected all Americans. Americans know better and support traditional marriage."0
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