Minnesota congresswoman and former GOP presidential candidate Michele Bachmann: "The president's announcement today shows how out of touch he is the values of American families. The president continues to practice the politics of division and diversion. He's tried to divide the country over gender, education, class, and now he's attempting to divide families all as a diversion to his failed economic policies that have affected all Americans. Americans know better and support traditional marriage."
I can't stand this woman! How is wanting equality for all practicing division? Isn't that what the republicans are doing by not wanting everyone to have the same rights? And he's more in touch with families than she is considering he won a presidential election and she didn't get very far in her circus
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maybe barry-o is a closet gay infact I'm starting wonder about many of you :think:
but it's o.k. really...I think it's just a shame you don't think enough of yourselfs to lose the fear and come out of the closet...free your selfs from the bondage of shame and fear,climb the highest mountian and tell the world you are gay ! ........ ....... no excuses just do it ! your leader is calling out to you,go for the big O fellas it's you right..tell the world you want your rights and you want to follow berry-O to the bottom .....or the end
maybe barry-o is a closet gay infact I'm starting wonder about many of you :think:
but it's o.k. really...I think it's just a shame you don't think enough of yourselfs to lose the fear and come out of the closet...free your selfs from the bondage of shame and fear,climb the highest mountian and tell the world you are gay ! ........ ....... no excuses just do it ! your leader is calling out to you,go for the big O fellas it's you right..tell the world you want your rights and you want to follow berry-O to the bottom .....or the end
Godfather.
I don't like Obama, I'm not gay, I want gays to be treated equally, especially if the government is going to decide what a marriage is.
maybe barry-o is a closet gay infact I'm starting wonder about many of you :think:
but it's o.k. really...I think it's just a shame you don't think enough of yourselfs to lose the fear and come out of the closet...free your selfs from the bondage of shame and fear,climb the highest mountian and tell the world you are gay ! ........ ....... no excuses just do it ! your leader is calling out to you,go for the big O fellas it's you right..tell the world you want your rights and you want to follow berry-O to the bottom .....or the end
Godfather.
I don't like Obama, I'm not gay, I want gays to be treated equally, especially if the government is going to decide what a marriage is.
it seems most on here can't discuss a topic without blaming God or Jesus in some way or another or calling others names like bigot and such, if I'm a bigot because I don't agree with the popular vote here on the train then so be it I'm a bigot and by the way Peacefrompaul I believe you and my post was not directed at you.
get back to me when he actually DOES something other than talk a lot of empty words
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
A bigot doesn't believe everyone deserves the same rights. You look in the mirror and decide for yourself.
Calling everyone gay though? Very 3rd grade. "I disagree so you're all gay!"
Keep it mature...
you just don't get my point......go back and read the things these posters say about others and then ask yourself if this is mature, instantly attacking others beliefs in God or calling them names ?....keep it mature. :?
i think many of you are forgetting obama has this habit of saying something but not really doing anything about it. like closing gitmo, getting israel to stop expanding its illegal settlements. sure, obama and biden threw out some tough sounding soundbites towards israel and the settlements but what were they DOING at this same time? finalizing one of the biggest arms deals to israel and giving them more financial aid. obviously they didn't care that much
so he said he supports it....big fucking deal, what's he gonna DO about it? absolutely nothing!
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
i think many of you are forgetting obama has this habit of saying something but not really doing anything about it. like closing gitmo, getting israel to stop expanding its illegal settlements. sure, obama and biden threw out some tough sounding soundbites towards israel and the settlements but what were they DOING at this same time? finalizing one of the biggest arms deals to israel and giving them more financial aid. obviously they didn't care that much
so he said he supports it....big fucking deal, what's he gonna DO about it? absolutely nothing!
i think many of you are forgetting obama has this habit of saying something but not really doing anything about it. like closing gitmo, getting israel to stop expanding its illegal settlements.sure, obama and biden threw out some tough sounding soundbites towards israel and the settlements but what were they DOING at this same time? finalizing one of the biggest arms deals to israel and giving them more financial aid. obviously they didn't care that much
so he said he supports it....big fucking deal, what's he gonna DO about it? absolutely nothing!
I understand your point, but he can't do the things you listed without support/approval/cooperation form others.
And, for some of the things you listed, he would need cooperation from the Republicans and Bibi Netanyahu. Not gonna happen. He is going to leave the issue of gay marriage up to the states.
i think many of you are forgetting obama has this habit of saying something but not really doing anything about it. like closing gitmo, getting israel to stop expanding its illegal settlements.sure, obama and biden threw out some tough sounding soundbites towards israel and the settlements but what were they DOING at this same time? finalizing one of the biggest arms deals to israel and giving them more financial aid. obviously they didn't care that much
so he said he supports it....big fucking deal, what's he gonna DO about it? absolutely nothing!
I understand your point, but he can't do the things you listed without support/approval/cooperation form others.
And, for some of the things you listed, he would need cooperation from the Republicans and Bibi Netanyahu. Not gonna happen. He is going to leave the issue of gay marriage up to the states.
uh yeah, he could have not sold them all those weapons, which technically is illegal since israel is violating so many laws.
ok, how about this one - he campaigned saying "any health care reform passed MUST have at least a public option." the democrats had the majority. they dragged their feet for over a year and obama said pass it with a simple majority (while asking them to leave out the public option when it had enough votes to pass)
so he's leaving it up to the states? so, he supports it but isn't gonna do jack shit about it
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
"We'll make sure Congress and our state legislatures are stacked with conservatives who don't want our President and the federal government defining marriage for us."
:fp: Then what does good ol' Huck think about the pledge Romney signed to sign a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as only between a man and woman?
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I see this as another move that, ironically, provides evidence that President Obama's team wants to try to change focus to social issues. To me, this helps his cause in two ways:
1) Rally the base
2) Change the subject from the economy
...I've seen this happen twice so far. Looking forward to the third - perhaps this summer. Wondering what other issues they could push next.
Aside - did anyone notice the market is tanking and the jobs numbers don't looks so good, then there's Europe,... and then this big news...
ha ha... yep, he's not trying to change the subject or anything. :roll:
maybe barry-o is a closet gay infact I'm starting wonder about many of you :think:
but it's o.k. really...I think it's just a shame you don't think enough of yourselfs to lose the fear and come out of the closet...free your selfs from the bondage of shame and fear,climb the highest mountian and tell the world you are gay ! ........ ....... no excuses just do it ! your leader is calling out to you,go for the big O fellas it's you right..tell the world you want your rights and you want to follow berry-O to the bottom .....or the end
Godfather.
I don't like Obama, I'm not gay, I want gays to be treated equally, especially if the government is going to decide what a marriage is.
it seems most on here can't discuss a topic without blaming God or Jesus in some way or another or calling others names like bigot and such, if I'm a bigot because I don't agree with the popular vote here on the train then so be it I'm a bigot and by the way Peacefrompaul I believe you and my post was not directed at you.
Godfather.
Yes sir, I was just making a point that people like me do exist.
I see this as another move that, ironically, provides evidence that President Obama's team wants to try to change focus to social issues. To me, this helps his cause in two ways:
1) Rally the base
2) Change the subject from the economy
...I've seen this happen twice so far. Looking forward to the third - perhaps this summer. Wondering what other issues they could push next.
Aside - did anyone notice the market is tanking and the jobs numbers don't looks so good, then there's Europe,... and then this big news...
ha ha... yep, he's not trying to change the subject or anything. :roll:
Jacob Lew (CoS): Mr. President, we're going to Clooney's on Thursday. We're gonna have to talk about gay marriage.
Obama: Shit.
Lew: Well, sir, it is being held at Clooney's house.
Obama: Really? Will Stacey be there?
Lew: Stacy Keibler? Yes.
Obama: Allll Righhhhhtt!!
Jim Messina (Campaign Manager): Sir, getting back to gay marriage...
Obama: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I don't want to take the hit on this one. What's Biden doing?
Messina: Sir?
Obama: Look, we send Biden to a Sunday morning show and let him be...well, Biden!
Lew: Sir, I'm not sure that's the best plan.
Obama: Oh hell yeah it is! Great thing about Joe is, he never prepares! So I tell him to be non-committal committal when gay marriage is asked. He'll fuck it up so much that no one will understand what the fuck our position is. Then we set up an one on one interview with me on a network. Then, by voicing my personal opinion, I can go to Hollywood and say I did something for the gay community!
Messina: Sir, that's just dumb enough to work!
Obama: That's why I love America!
Jacob Lew (CoS): Mr. President, we're going to Clooney's on Thursday. We're gonna have to talk about gay marriage.
Obama: Shit.
Lew: Well, sir, it is being held at Clooney's house.
Obama: Really? Will Stacey be there?
Lew: Stacy Keibler? Yes.
Obama: Allll Righhhhhtt!!
Jim Messina (Campaign Manager): Sir, getting back to gay marriage...
Obama: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I don't want to take the hit on this one. What's Biden doing?
Messina: Sir?
Obama: Look, we send Biden to a Sunday morning show and let him be...well, Biden!
Lew: Sir, I'm not sure that's the best plan.
Obama: Oh hell yeah it is! Great thing about Joe is, he never prepares! So I tell him to be non-committal committal when gay marriage is asked. He'll fuck it up so much that no one will understand what the fuck our position is. Then we set up an one on one interview with me on a network. Then, by voicing my personal opinion, I can go to Hollywood and say I did something for the gay community!
Messina: Sir, that's just dumb enough to work!
Obama: That's why I love America!
Love the question and response about Stacey Kiebler.
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Just saw this and already six pages of posts. I suppose it's possible that this is just a political move as some here have stated but I don't get that sense and it's great to hear the president come right out and give same sex marriage his support . Well done, Mr. President!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
i still don't get all the applauding of obama over this. it sure is easy to take a 'stand' when all you're doing is saying a few empty words. so he SAYS he supports it....big fuckin deal, he also said it's a state issue so in other words he supports it but won't do anything to defend it, whatta guy!
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
i still don't get all the applauding of obama over this. it sure is easy to take a 'stand' when all you're doing is saying a few empty words. so he SAYS he supports it....big fuckin deal, he also said it's a state issue so in other words he supports it but won't do anything to defend it, whatta guy!
It's typical cheer-leading. People who root this sort of behavior on - show themselves as Democratic operatives. They put the "D" letter before the actual issues and implementation of policies they support. If you pretend you're going to do something they should cheer on, as if they are a "studio audience" they applaud. See video of them:
Clearly, if it was another topic, under different circumstances, Republican operatives pom-poms would be shown too. It's not just Dems. It's simply people putting party before "implementation of policy".
But, at the end of the day, it basically shows the lack of objectivity and shows how ignorant people are.
This guy they are cheering is the same guy who had Rendell saying this "yesterday"...
Partiulary the crying about how the Democrats are trying to shift people's attention to social issues.
Because Republicans have NEVER done that before. :fp:
I've said it before and I'll say it again... Barack Obama is a brilliant political mind and many people have underestimated him and paid the price. He did this at the perfect time. And while he's late to the party, he's still welcome to join in.
hello ! you can't see he's trying buy votes and support ?....wake up man..he's a politican (kinda) he may not be very good at it but he just suckered a whole page of train members and if he gets re-elected he WILL drop the gay marrige issue like a bad habit and at that point I WILL say I TOLD YOU SO....
Godfather.
you can't be serious!??
who the cuss is going to vote for obama now that he supports same sex marriage that wouldn't have voted for him anyways? ... if anything, he's alienated voters ...
This.
If one supports same sex marriage, there's a 99% chance they already support Obama.
If one Supported Obama, there's a smaller chance that they support SS marriage.
I support gay marriage, but I won't be voting for obama, or romney. Where's Ross Perot when u need him?
who the cuss is going to vote for obama now that he supports same sex marriage that wouldn't have voted for him anyways? ... if anything, he's alienated voters ...
This.
If one supports same sex marriage, there's a 99% chance they already support Obama.
If one Supported Obama, there's a smaller chance that they support SS marriage.
I support gay marriage, but I won't be voting for obama, or romney. Where's Ross Perot when u need him?
So... are you voting Independent? Green Party? Please don't say you won't vote for anyone.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Partiulary the crying about how the Democrats are trying to shift people's attention to social issues.
Because Republicans have NEVER done that before. :fp:
I've said it before and I'll say it again... Barack Obama is a brilliant political mind and many people have underestimated him and paid the price. He did this at the perfect time. And while he's late to the party, he's still welcome to join in.
Nit that I have a say, but I totally agree with you. Plus, I honestly believe that Obama is a genuinely good man (not that that helps anyone in politics). He's a good man in A crowd with a lot of creeps in it... that makes things tough. I know some might doubt this opinion, but I don't care. I still believe it.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I heard Bill Maher on a local radio station yesterday say that he felt in Obama's first term we got the "white" presidency and that his second term we'd get the "black" presidency.
If a conservative had said that, the world would go nuts. Maher was saying it in what he felt was a good way.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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I can't stand this woman! How is wanting equality for all practicing division? Isn't that what the republicans are doing by not wanting everyone to have the same rights? And he's more in touch with families than she is considering he won a presidential election and she didn't get very far in her circus
but it's o.k. really...I think it's just a shame you don't think enough of yourselfs to lose the fear and come out of the closet...free your selfs from the bondage of shame and fear,climb the highest mountian and tell the world you are gay ! ........
Godfather.
I don't like Obama, I'm not gay, I want gays to be treated equally, especially if the government is going to decide what a marriage is.
it seems most on here can't discuss a topic without blaming God or Jesus in some way or another or calling others names like bigot and such, if I'm a bigot because I don't agree with the popular vote here on the train then so be it I'm a bigot and by the way Peacefrompaul I believe you and my post was not directed at you.
Godfather.
Calling everyone gay though? Very 3rd grade. "I disagree so you're all gay!"
Keep it mature...
get back to me when he actually DOES something other than talk a lot of empty words
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
you just don't get my point......go back and read the things these posters say about others and then ask yourself if this is mature, instantly attacking others beliefs in God or calling them names ?....keep it mature. :?
Godfather.
so he said he supports it....big fucking deal, what's he gonna DO about it? absolutely nothing!
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
as i asked earier
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=188946&start=30#p4406037
agreed.
Godfather.
I understand your point, but he can't do the things you listed without support/approval/cooperation form others.
And, for some of the things you listed, he would need cooperation from the Republicans and Bibi Netanyahu. Not gonna happen. He is going to leave the issue of gay marriage up to the states.
uh yeah, he could have not sold them all those weapons, which technically is illegal since israel is violating so many laws.
ok, how about this one - he campaigned saying "any health care reform passed MUST have at least a public option." the democrats had the majority. they dragged their feet for over a year and obama said pass it with a simple majority (while asking them to leave out the public option when it had enough votes to pass)
so he's leaving it up to the states? so, he supports it but isn't gonna do jack shit about it
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
1) Rally the base
2) Change the subject from the economy
...I've seen this happen twice so far. Looking forward to the third - perhaps this summer. Wondering what other issues they could push next.
Aside - did anyone notice the market is tanking and the jobs numbers don't looks so good, then there's Europe,... and then this big news...
ha ha... yep, he's not trying to change the subject or anything. :roll:
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Yes sir, I was just making a point that people like me do exist.
Sounds like a good analysis
Jacob Lew (CoS): Mr. President, we're going to Clooney's on Thursday. We're gonna have to talk about gay marriage.
Obama: Shit.
Lew: Well, sir, it is being held at Clooney's house.
Obama: Really? Will Stacey be there?
Lew: Stacy Keibler? Yes.
Obama: Allll Righhhhhtt!!
Jim Messina (Campaign Manager): Sir, getting back to gay marriage...
Obama: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I don't want to take the hit on this one. What's Biden doing?
Messina: Sir?
Obama: Look, we send Biden to a Sunday morning show and let him be...well, Biden!
Lew: Sir, I'm not sure that's the best plan.
Obama: Oh hell yeah it is! Great thing about Joe is, he never prepares! So I tell him to be non-committal committal when gay marriage is asked. He'll fuck it up so much that no one will understand what the fuck our position is. Then we set up an one on one interview with me on a network. Then, by voicing my personal opinion, I can go to Hollywood and say I did something for the gay community!
Messina: Sir, that's just dumb enough to work!
Obama: That's why I love America!
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
It's typical cheer-leading. People who root this sort of behavior on - show themselves as Democratic operatives. They put the "D" letter before the actual issues and implementation of policies they support. If you pretend you're going to do something they should cheer on, as if they are a "studio audience" they applaud. See video of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0xtUfjv4zE
Clearly, if it was another topic, under different circumstances, Republican operatives pom-poms would be shown too. It's not just Dems. It's simply people putting party before "implementation of policy".
But, at the end of the day, it basically shows the lack of objectivity and shows how ignorant people are.
This guy they are cheering is the same guy who had Rendell saying this "yesterday"...
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/big_ ... 61255.html
..yesterday he's against it, and tada... now he's for it.
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Partiulary the crying about how the Democrats are trying to shift people's attention to social issues.
Because Republicans have NEVER done that before. :fp:
I've said it before and I'll say it again... Barack Obama is a brilliant political mind and many people have underestimated him and paid the price. He did this at the perfect time. And while he's late to the party, he's still welcome to join in.
I support gay marriage, but I won't be voting for obama, or romney. Where's Ross Perot when u need him?
If a conservative had said that, the world would go nuts. Maher was saying it in what he felt was a good way.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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