... ALL fruit juice is simply incredibly high in calories because they have a high concentration of sugar (just think of how many oranges go into one glass of orange juice... once may as well eat 8 oranges in one go; an average glass of the stuff has 350 calories).
how big is that glass? and are you speaking of commercial juice and/or fresh ? cause i find 2 oranges is plenty of juice for breakfast(or whenever)... though more often than not i tend to cut it with the juice of a lemon.
Most people have a much larger serving (and most don't squeeze their own), and single serving bottles are 350ml to 500ml normally, like Coke, and given that it is fair to assume that a perceived serving is the same as that. They are comparable - i.e. same sized glass of each have about the same amount of calories.
i guess cause i tend to be a bit of a grub when i eat oranges its best for me to 'eat' them in juice form. hence the apparently small serving.
though its a natural assumption im not so sure it is best to assume the whole bottle is one serving. it might eb, but then again it might not be.
its not how alcohol works. servings are a standard measure dependent on what type of alcohol it is and one container, be it a can or a bottle(dependent on size) can contain mutliple sevings of the standard. which is why i used to get just over 3 glasses of wine out of a bottle that said it contained 8.
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...Vitamin D (important, as it is not in natural foods in any quantity - just in fortified milk products generally, and in sunshine... Apparently, 60% of Americans are now deficient in Vitamin D because no one spends enough time outside with exposed skin anymore, and sunscreen actually prevents absorption of Vitamin D as well, so it's a good supplement to take everyday)...
i recently got my vitamin D levels tested as part of a bigger process and it turns out my levels are high. and thats from just going about my normal day. im not a fan of the sun so im not likely to be found lounging around in it. i dont wear sunscreen tho... i find it constrictive and icky.
Great! Sounds like you're more healthy than the average American.
proabably cause im australian. and no i could be so much more healthier than i am.
and on that note its time for lunch and a walk up the street. :wave:
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I believe more in the individualistic side, although, the society/capitalism does snowball it.
It can be cheaper to eat healthy. Go to a restaurant, and the healthy items are always (very few) and usually the cheapest. People choose to get the gut-busting red meat and fried food, pasta options instead.
My typical lunch salad with fresh mozz, grilled chicken, veggies, etc that takes me <5 minutes to prepare probably costs under $2. It takes a minute to make egg whites from eggs... and like $5 for a breakfast sandwich and hash browns. You can brew your own coffee at a fraction of the cost of a teeth rotting sugar laced Dunkin Donuts coffee. Water also is infinitely cheaper than Soda. I buy a box of wild rice for like $5. If I have a 1/2 cup serving with dinners, the stuff can last a long time. It takes 10 minutes to prepare a week's worth. They have fresh bags of vegetables you poke holes in, stick in the microwave, and you have 3 days worth of steamed vegetables.
Food is so readily available... food that is astronomical in calories, and empty ones. You dont even have to get out of your car now. Even coffee. The popular one here is a 'double double' from Tim Horton's that basically makes coffee into candy. Same price as a black. TH doesnt profit from the extra crap.
People just are geared toward the comfort food and become addicted to sugar and fat. It is also more comfortable to be sedintary than to move. I get home from work and it would be easy to grad a bag of chips and some dip, sit on the couch and watch The Simpsons. Instead, I force myself to work out...
This feeds the capitalistic view. Obviously if the majority are flocking to the drive thru lanes, companies are going to try to profit from that, compete with each other, and market their products to the best degree they can. If many, many people revolutionized the way they treat their health (and passed it along to their kids), it would change the market.
I believe more in the individualistic side, although, the society/capitalism does snowball it.
It can be cheaper to eat healthy. Go to a restaurant, and the healthy items are always (very few) and usually the cheapest. People choose to get the gut-busting red meat and fried food, pasta options instead.
My typical lunch salad with fresh mozz, grilled chicken, veggies, etc that takes me <5 minutes to prepare probably costs under $2. It takes a minute to make egg whites from eggs... and like $5 for a breakfast sandwich and hash browns. You can brew your own coffee at a fraction of the cost of a teeth rotting sugar laced Dunkin Donuts coffee. Water also is infinitely cheaper than Soda. I buy a box of wild rice for like $5. If I have a 1/2 cup serving with dinners, the stuff can last a long time. It takes 10 minutes to prepare a week's worth. They have fresh bags of vegetables you poke holes in, stick in the microwave, and you have 3 days worth of steamed vegetables.
Food is so readily available... food that is astronomical in calories, and empty ones. You dont even have to get out of your car now. Even coffee. The popular one here is a 'double double' from Tim Horton's that basically makes coffee into candy. Same price as a black. TH doesnt profit from the extra crap.
People just are geared toward the comfort food and become addicted to sugar and fat. It is also more comfortable to be sedintary than to move. I get home from work and it would be easy to grad a bag of chips and some dip, sit on the couch and watch The Simpsons. Instead, I force myself to work out...
This feeds the capitalistic view. Obviously if the majority are flocking to the drive thru lanes, companies are going to try to profit from that, compete with each other, and market their products to the best degree they can. If many, many people revolutionized the way they treat their health (and passed it along to their kids), it would change the market.
I believe more in the individualistic side, although, the society/capitalism does snowball it.
It can be cheaper to eat healthy. Go to a restaurant, and the healthy items are always (very few) and usually the cheapest. People choose to get the gut-busting red meat and fried food, pasta options instead.
My typical lunch salad with fresh mozz, grilled chicken, veggies, etc that takes me <5 minutes to prepare probably costs under $2. It takes a minute to make egg whites from eggs... and like $5 for a breakfast sandwich and hash browns. You can brew your own coffee at a fraction of the cost of a teeth rotting sugar laced Dunkin Donuts coffee. Water also is infinitely cheaper than Soda. I buy a box of wild rice for like $5. If I have a 1/2 cup serving with dinners, the stuff can last a long time. It takes 10 minutes to prepare a week's worth. They have fresh bags of vegetables you poke holes in, stick in the microwave, and you have 3 days worth of steamed vegetables.
Food is so readily available... food that is astronomical in calories, and empty ones. You dont even have to get out of your car now. Even coffee. The popular one here is a 'double double' from Tim Horton's that basically makes coffee into candy. Same price as a black. TH doesnt profit from the extra crap.
People just are geared toward the comfort food and become addicted to sugar and fat. It is also more comfortable to be sedintary than to move. I get home from work and it would be easy to grad a bag of chips and some dip, sit on the couch and watch The Simpsons. Instead, I force myself to work out...
This feeds the capitalistic view. Obviously if the majority are flocking to the drive thru lanes, companies are going to try to profit from that, compete with each other, and market their products to the best degree they can. If many, many people revolutionized the way they treat their health (and passed it along to their kids), it would change the market.
I guess... I mean, what you're saying is that if people just changed their eating habits then there would be no problem... I think that's kind of a given. It's clearly not that easy though, since it hasn't happened. People don't tend to change their habits, are not changing their habits, and that is the issue. So the solution of people changing their habits and teaching their kids is kind of moot, isn't it? Plus, the food industry isn't helping people change their habits. Kind of hard to quit a habit when the thing you're basically addicted to is in front of your face everywhere you turn - messages encouraging you to buy and eat and eat and buy. It's like expecting an alcoholic to live in a bar and quit drinking or a smoker to spend their days in a designated smoking area and quit smoking.
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its tough. It just takes discipline. More and more because as technology improves, it is everywhere, and we have to move less and less to get it (and our entertainment requires no movement anymore).
And whenever the gov't talks about banning certain fats or regulating junk food, people fly off the handle angry about the gov't, yelling about personal freedoms/choice.
Its tough. I dont see it getting better. The companies will keep providing what people buy. The US Govt cant do anything without (rightly so) getting accused of Socialistic behavior.... and people will naturally gravitate toward not exercising, driving everywhere, and filling up with calorie/carbohydrate/fat enriched empty food. Its a multi-pronged spiraling issue.... but I believe the rest of the '1st World' countries are beginning to "grow" now toward obesity.
BMI is complete b.s. though. I am "obese", but probably 10% Body fat.
you look at kids these days and it is jarring too. I remember in elementary school we had like 3 "fat kids". We used to play sports all daylight hours not at school. All kids did. Video games, media, internet, etc wasnt quite as prevalent (Atari and Nintendo was out I guess)... but that was a nighttime activity.
There is probably a lot to be said about the father and mother needed to work jobs now. The 'housewife' isnt as common, and homecooked meals are being replaced with filler.
i'm just seeing this thread
and believe me i know that i have NO ROOM to say much when it comes to being overweight
(but i am actively doing something about it these days)
when i got serious about eating low carb (the only way i seem to be able to lose weight...i know the arguments, but i eat my veggies, yes i do)
i was shocked when i really considered what was in most fruits...the sugar and carb content
and of course we all know about processed foods and their lack of nutritional benefits
but i see now when i was trying to eat more along the vegetarian line, with lots of fruits and beans, well, i was having a hard time
what i did NOT realize is how some foods actually work against absorption of the vitamins and minerals that your body needs....
and having been in nursing all these years, and being what i thought was "well-schooled" in traditional nutrition, you can imagine my surprise!
paying attention to the nutritional content or lack thereof in what you put inside your body will teach you a lot...its a real eye opener
when we were kids, the way i grew up was on meat and potatoes and LOTS of pasta. it was cheap, its what my dad liked to eat, and so that's what i learned. it takes a long time to unlearn unhealthy habits, and it would be soooooo much easier if kids started out eating healthy and exercising, etc.
(thank goodness the kids here love their green veggies)
I find it hard to believe that Michelle Obama, as someone said here, is NOT all over the exercise/gym requirements in schools...i thought that was what she is all about, right? i have not read up on her programs, only know what i've heard, and assumed it was more comprehensive than what I'm learning now
anyway, after reading through this i asked my step-grandson who is in middle school how many times a week he is required to have gym class (we had to take it every morning when i was in school, if you didn't you failed the school year, and could not graduate....it was a requirement). so he told me once a week, sometimes 2 x a week cuz of how their daily schedule works, but most times once a week. kids his age are perfectly capable of spending a good 40 minutes in some enjoyable form of exercise. not only is it good for their physical health, but their mental health too. so many kids are not involved in any sort of social engagement that doesn't involve a joystick these days (well, joysticks are old hat, but you know what i mean)
fixing this might help a lot for the kids
if the kids i know are any example, so many of them stay cooped up inside playing video games after school and on weekends
i remember when my kids were little they were outside all the time
they got up, ate breakfast, went out to play and didn't come back unless they had to
not these days..at least not around here
AND
STOP doing away with school sports
more and more extracurricular activities are being taken away in our local schools
i'm sure there could be plenty of volunteer coaches if they can't afford to pay them
and definitely interest from the kids
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I haven't read this entire thread but another contribution to America's unhealthy culture is the reduction of Physical Education in schools today. None of my 3 children at the moment take PE...2 in HS and 1 in MS. If is wan't for their oustside physical activity 2 in football and the other a competitive swimmer they probably be very out of shape. Many schools give the children the option of taking PE and many choose NOT to take it.
This is NOT good news in this computer age where many children are sitting and not being as active as they need to be. The heart is a muscle that needs to be kept active so it prolong a long life...bring back exercise in schools.
Wow...I had no idea. PE was a requirement when I was in junior high and high school. Even in elementary school, recess was all about handball, tetherball, etc. - activity. Granted it's been many years since I was in school, but I just figured it was still in place.
How has Mrs. Obama not gotten all over this? Or has she?
(plus, why should today's kids be deprived of the shame of those awful PE uniforms and showering afterward?)
Being a vegetarian we just came back from the grocery one day and packed the fridge. My son comes home checks the fridge and says...*where's the food?* I said it's packed with food. He's say's....*There's nothing but trees in here* I said yeah that's right you can barely see through in there. Kids they say the darnest things.
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Being a vegetarian we just came back from the grocery one day and packed the fridge. My son comes home checks the fridge and says...*where's the food?* I said it's packed with food. He's say's....*There's nothing but trees in here* I said yeah that's right you can barely see through in there. Kids they say the darnest things.
[It's cheap to eat healthy. Basic veggies and fruit, eggs and milk, canned goods, bread and lean ground beef (for the B12 and iron and zinc) is all cheap. People can be healthy for cheap if they want. I personally think that people just like food that tastes really good, and the majority of people think that McDonald's fries and quarter pounder,pizza, and Chinese take-out is tastier (and way easier) than basic healthy groceries. Not cheaper. And honestly, I'm pretty sure most people, particularly less educated people, really don't understand nutrition enough to know what is really really bad for you and why. I.e., many people don't know that one slice of garlic bread is as bad for you as a candy bar. But it is. A lot of people also don't know that drinking a glass of orange juice is as bad for you as a can of Coke with a vitamin C pill on the side
Hi PJ_soul...I am a single dad and try so very very hard to provide good nutrition to my boys...you are right that many people dont understand enough about nutrition...I must be among the uneducated I am afraid...that blows me away that a glass of orange juice is as bad as a can of coke...makes me wonder about what other mistakes I am making!
Do you know any good, user friendly books I could get to educate myself???
Michael Pollan has two really good books out that explain the problems with the typical food most Americans eat - The Omnivore's Dilemma and In Defense of Food. And for the sake of practicality, I like a food blog called http://www.100daysofrealfood.com/ where she shows you a practical way to transition to eating all real food step by step. She even includes details on eating whole, organic foods on a budget of $125 per week for a family of 4!
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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When and where else besides 20th/21st century American has there been such an obsession with (and surplus) of food?
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When and where else besides 20th/21st century American has there been such an obsession with (and surplus) of food?
its not just 20th/21st century america brian. all prosperous 1st world countries have an excess of food. we are spoilt for choice, as any wander through a supermarket will show you. supply and demand .. its all part of our wonderful capitalist system.
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i guess cause i tend to be a bit of a grub when i eat oranges its best for me to 'eat' them in juice form. hence the apparently small serving.
though its a natural assumption im not so sure it is best to assume the whole bottle is one serving. it might eb, but then again it might not be.
its not how alcohol works. servings are a standard measure dependent on what type of alcohol it is and one container, be it a can or a bottle(dependent on size) can contain mutliple sevings of the standard. which is why i used to get just over 3 glasses of wine out of a bottle that said it contained 8.
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proabably cause im australian.
and on that note its time for lunch and a walk up the street. :wave:
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
It can be cheaper to eat healthy. Go to a restaurant, and the healthy items are always (very few) and usually the cheapest. People choose to get the gut-busting red meat and fried food, pasta options instead.
My typical lunch salad with fresh mozz, grilled chicken, veggies, etc that takes me <5 minutes to prepare probably costs under $2. It takes a minute to make egg whites from eggs... and like $5 for a breakfast sandwich and hash browns. You can brew your own coffee at a fraction of the cost of a teeth rotting sugar laced Dunkin Donuts coffee. Water also is infinitely cheaper than Soda. I buy a box of wild rice for like $5. If I have a 1/2 cup serving with dinners, the stuff can last a long time. It takes 10 minutes to prepare a week's worth. They have fresh bags of vegetables you poke holes in, stick in the microwave, and you have 3 days worth of steamed vegetables.
Food is so readily available... food that is astronomical in calories, and empty ones. You dont even have to get out of your car now. Even coffee. The popular one here is a 'double double' from Tim Horton's that basically makes coffee into candy. Same price as a black. TH doesnt profit from the extra crap.
People just are geared toward the comfort food and become addicted to sugar and fat. It is also more comfortable to be sedintary than to move. I get home from work and it would be easy to grad a bag of chips and some dip, sit on the couch and watch The Simpsons. Instead, I force myself to work out...
This feeds the capitalistic view. Obviously if the majority are flocking to the drive thru lanes, companies are going to try to profit from that, compete with each other, and market their products to the best degree they can. If many, many people revolutionized the way they treat their health (and passed it along to their kids), it would change the market.
good points
And whenever the gov't talks about banning certain fats or regulating junk food, people fly off the handle angry about the gov't, yelling about personal freedoms/choice.
Its tough. I dont see it getting better. The companies will keep providing what people buy. The US Govt cant do anything without (rightly so) getting accused of Socialistic behavior.... and people will naturally gravitate toward not exercising, driving everywhere, and filling up with calorie/carbohydrate/fat enriched empty food. Its a multi-pronged spiraling issue.... but I believe the rest of the '1st World' countries are beginning to "grow" now toward obesity.
BMI is complete b.s. though. I am "obese", but probably 10% Body fat.
There is probably a lot to be said about the father and mother needed to work jobs now. The 'housewife' isnt as common, and homecooked meals are being replaced with filler.
and believe me i know that i have NO ROOM to say much when it comes to being overweight
(but i am actively doing something about it these days)
when i got serious about eating low carb (the only way i seem to be able to lose weight...i know the arguments, but i eat my veggies, yes i do)
i was shocked when i really considered what was in most fruits...the sugar and carb content
and of course we all know about processed foods and their lack of nutritional benefits
but i see now when i was trying to eat more along the vegetarian line, with lots of fruits and beans, well, i was having a hard time
what i did NOT realize is how some foods actually work against absorption of the vitamins and minerals that your body needs....
and having been in nursing all these years, and being what i thought was "well-schooled" in traditional nutrition, you can imagine my surprise!
paying attention to the nutritional content or lack thereof in what you put inside your body will teach you a lot...its a real eye opener
when we were kids, the way i grew up was on meat and potatoes and LOTS of pasta. it was cheap, its what my dad liked to eat, and so that's what i learned. it takes a long time to unlearn unhealthy habits, and it would be soooooo much easier if kids started out eating healthy and exercising, etc.
(thank goodness the kids here love their green veggies)
I find it hard to believe that Michelle Obama, as someone said here, is NOT all over the exercise/gym requirements in schools...i thought that was what she is all about, right? i have not read up on her programs, only know what i've heard, and assumed it was more comprehensive than what I'm learning now
anyway, after reading through this i asked my step-grandson who is in middle school how many times a week he is required to have gym class (we had to take it every morning when i was in school, if you didn't you failed the school year, and could not graduate....it was a requirement). so he told me once a week, sometimes 2 x a week cuz of how their daily schedule works, but most times once a week. kids his age are perfectly capable of spending a good 40 minutes in some enjoyable form of exercise. not only is it good for their physical health, but their mental health too. so many kids are not involved in any sort of social engagement that doesn't involve a joystick these days (well, joysticks are old hat, but you know what i mean)
fixing this might help a lot for the kids
if the kids i know are any example, so many of them stay cooped up inside playing video games after school and on weekends
i remember when my kids were little they were outside all the time
they got up, ate breakfast, went out to play and didn't come back unless they had to
not these days..at least not around here
AND
STOP doing away with school sports
more and more extracurricular activities are being taken away in our local schools
i'm sure there could be plenty of volunteer coaches if they can't afford to pay them
and definitely interest from the kids
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
Being a vegetarian we just came back from the grocery one day and packed the fridge. My son comes home checks the fridge and says...*where's the food?* I said it's packed with food. He's say's....*There's nothing but trees in here* I said yeah that's right you can barely see through in there.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Parents apparently say the darnedest things too
sleep it off
Michael Pollan has two really good books out that explain the problems with the typical food most Americans eat - The Omnivore's Dilemma and In Defense of Food. And for the sake of practicality, I like a food blog called http://www.100daysofrealfood.com/ where she shows you a practical way to transition to eating all real food step by step. She even includes details on eating whole, organic foods on a budget of $125 per week for a family of 4!
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
its not just 20th/21st century america brian. all prosperous 1st world countries have an excess of food. we are spoilt for choice, as any wander through a supermarket will show you. supply and demand .. its all part of our wonderful capitalist system.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
just remember its about "portion" sizes ( control ) and we need to exercise and/or move more....