I find it reprehensible that you all cheer on his demise.
It's not like he manufactured wars that led to the deaths of millions of people like that Senator from Arizona.
Charles Manson is in rookie league by comparison.
But I guess perception outweighs truth.
Lol
So you're a Charlie Manson fan? Not surprised. You both believe in conspiracies and crazy speculation.
You think the government is plotting against you. Charlie thought there was going to be a race war.
I don't get that he's a fan, but he does have somewhat of a point. Manson was a sadistic man who had a lot of evil, but if we want to strictly compare who was responsible or played a part in more deaths, well, then look no further to a certain former president and all those who propagated a war based on WMD's.
Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
I find it reprehensible that you all cheer on his demise.
It's not like he manufactured wars that led to the deaths of millions of people like that Senator from Arizona.
Charles Manson is in rookie league by comparison.
But I guess perception outweighs truth.
Lol
So you're a Charlie Manson fan? Not surprised. You both believe in conspiracies and crazy speculation.
You think the government is plotting against you. Charlie thought there was going to be a race war.
I don't get that he's a fan, but he does have somewhat of a point. Manson was a sadistic man who had a lot of evil, but if we want to strictly compare who was responsible or played a part in more deaths, well, then look no further to a certain former president and all those who propagated a war based on WMD's.
Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
I'm mostly playing with him. He's actually got a very good point.
I'm glad Chuck is gone. He's a psychopathic imbecile.
With that said... Charlie never actually killed people. His cult followers did. It makes the case just that much more bizarre. Why his hippie moron followers never said, "Whoa. You want us to... what?" is beyond me.
How deranged do you have to be to buy his dumb story and execute his plan the way he detailed it? Atkins et al should have been executed. Just sickening.
I find it reprehensible that you all cheer on his demise.
It's not like he manufactured wars that led to the deaths of millions of people like that Senator from Arizona.
Charles Manson is in rookie league by comparison.
But I guess perception outweighs truth.
Lol
So you're a Charlie Manson fan? Not surprised. You both believe in conspiracies and crazy speculation.
You think the government is plotting against you. Charlie thought there was going to be a race war.
I don't get that he's a fan, but he does have somewhat of a point. Manson was a sadistic man who had a lot of evil, but if we want to strictly compare who was responsible or played a part in more deaths, well, then look no further to a certain former president and all those who propagated a war based on WMD's.
Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
I'm mostly playing with him. He's actually got a very good point.
I'm glad Chuck is gone. He's a psychopathic imbecile.
With that said... Charlie never actually killed people. His cult followers did. It makes the case just that much more bizarre. Why his hippie moron followers never said, "Whoa. You want us to... what?" is beyond me.
How deranged do you have to be to buy his dumb story and execute his plan the way he detailed it? Atkins et al should have been executed. Just sickening.
Most of the politicians being railed against never killed anyone personally either, so that argument cuts both ways.
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I find it reprehensible that you all cheer on his demise.
It's not like he manufactured wars that led to the deaths of millions of people like that Senator from Arizona.
Charles Manson is in rookie league by comparison.
But I guess perception outweighs truth.
Lol
So you're a Charlie Manson fan? Not surprised. You both believe in conspiracies and crazy speculation.
You think the government is plotting against you. Charlie thought there was going to be a race war.
I don't get that he's a fan, but he does have somewhat of a point. Manson was a sadistic man who had a lot of evil, but if we want to strictly compare who was responsible or played a part in more deaths, well, then look no further to a certain former president and all those who propagated a war based on WMD's.
Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
I'm mostly playing with him. He's actually got a very good point.
I'm glad Chuck is gone. He's a psychopathic imbecile.
With that said... Charlie never actually killed people. His cult followers did. It makes the case just that much more bizarre. Why his hippie moron followers never said, "Whoa. You want us to... what?" is beyond me.
How deranged do you have to be to buy his dumb story and execute his plan the way he detailed it? Atkins et al should have been executed. Just sickening.
Most of the politicians being railed against never killed anyone personally either, so that argument cuts both ways.
I hear ya. I think I tried to say this (obviously clumsily).
I find it reprehensible that you all cheer on his demise.
It's not like he manufactured wars that led to the deaths of millions of people like that Senator from Arizona.
Charles Manson is in rookie league by comparison.
But I guess perception outweighs truth.
Lol
So you're a Charlie Manson fan? Not surprised. You both believe in conspiracies and crazy speculation.
You think the government is plotting against you. Charlie thought there was going to be a race war.
I don't get that he's a fan, but he does have somewhat of a point. Manson was a sadistic man who had a lot of evil, but if we want to strictly compare who was responsible or played a part in more deaths, well, then look no further to a certain former president and all those who propagated a war based on WMD's.
Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
I'm mostly playing with him. He's actually got a very good point.
I'm glad Chuck is gone. He's a psychopathic imbecile.
With that said... Charlie never actually killed people. His cult followers did. It makes the case just that much more bizarre. Why his hippie moron followers never said, "Whoa. You want us to... what?" is beyond me.
How deranged do you have to be to buy his dumb story and execute his plan the way he detailed it? Atkins et al should have been executed. Just sickening.
Most of the politicians being railed against never killed anyone personally either, so that argument cuts both ways.
I hear ya. I think I tried to say this (obviously clumsily).
I hate to minimize either. It's like comparing white collar crime to the local drug dealer's crimes. Which one is worse or deserves a more severe punishment? To me, it's the white collar crime hands down.
I find it reprehensible that you all cheer on his demise.
It's not like he manufactured wars that led to the deaths of millions of people like that Senator from Arizona.
Charles Manson is in rookie league by comparison.
But I guess perception outweighs truth.
Lol
So you're a Charlie Manson fan? Not surprised. You both believe in conspiracies and crazy speculation.
You think the government is plotting against you. Charlie thought there was going to be a race war.
I don't get that he's a fan, but he does have somewhat of a point. Manson was a sadistic man who had a lot of evil, but if we want to strictly compare who was responsible or played a part in more deaths, well, then look no further to a certain former president and all those who propagated a war based on WMD's.
Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
I'm mostly playing with him. He's actually got a very good point.
I'm glad Chuck is gone. He's a psychopathic imbecile.
With that said... Charlie never actually killed people. His cult followers did. It makes the case just that much more bizarre. Why his hippie moron followers never said, "Whoa. You want us to... what?" is beyond me.
How deranged do you have to be to buy his dumb story and execute his plan the way he detailed it? Atkins et al should have been executed. Just sickening.
He claimed to have put 5 people in the ground. And I quote "I am a very dangerous man"
Glad he is gone? not so much as not sad he passed.finally.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I find it reprehensible that you all cheer on his demise.
It's not like he manufactured wars that led to the deaths of millions of people like that Senator from Arizona.
Charles Manson is in rookie league by comparison.
But I guess perception outweighs truth.
Lol
So you're a Charlie Manson fan? Not surprised. You both believe in conspiracies and crazy speculation.
You think the government is plotting against you. Charlie thought there was going to be a race war.
I don't get that he's a fan, but he does have somewhat of a point. Manson was a sadistic man who had a lot of evil, but if we want to strictly compare who was responsible or played a part in more deaths, well, then look no further to a certain former president and all those who propagated a war based on WMD's.
Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
I'm mostly playing with him. He's actually got a very good point.
I'm glad Chuck is gone. He's a psychopathic imbecile.
With that said... Charlie never actually killed people. His cult followers did. It makes the case just that much more bizarre. Why his hippie moron followers never said, "Whoa. You want us to... what?" is beyond me.
How deranged do you have to be to buy his dumb story and execute his plan the way he detailed it? Atkins et al should have been executed. Just sickening.
He claimed to have put 5 people in the ground. And I quote "I am a very dangerous man"
Glad he is gone? not so much as not sad he passed.finally.
He claimed a lot of things.
I hated hearing of him as he lived as a pseudo star behind bars. I'm glad he's gone.
I find it reprehensible that you all cheer on his demise.
It's not like he manufactured wars that led to the deaths of millions of people like that Senator from Arizona.
Charles Manson is in rookie league by comparison.
But I guess perception outweighs truth.
Lol
So you're a Charlie Manson fan? Not surprised. You both believe in conspiracies and crazy speculation.
You think the government is plotting against you. Charlie thought there was going to be a race war.
I don't get that he's a fan, but he does have somewhat of a point. Manson was a sadistic man who had a lot of evil, but if we want to strictly compare who was responsible or played a part in more deaths, well, then look no further to a certain former president and all those who propagated a war based on WMD's.
Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
I'm mostly playing with him. He's actually got a very good point.
I'm glad Chuck is gone. He's a psychopathic imbecile.
With that said... Charlie never actually killed people. His cult followers did. It makes the case just that much more bizarre. Why his hippie moron followers never said, "Whoa. You want us to... what?" is beyond me.
How deranged do you have to be to buy his dumb story and execute his plan the way he detailed it? Atkins et al should have been executed. Just sickening.
Most of the politicians being railed against never killed anyone personally either, so that argument cuts both ways.
And interestingly, a lot of the country was excited to invade Iraq.
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I find it reprehensible that you all cheer on his demise.
It's not like he manufactured wars that led to the deaths of millions of people like that Senator from Arizona.
Charles Manson is in rookie league by comparison.
But I guess perception outweighs truth.
Lol
So you're a Charlie Manson fan? Not surprised. You both believe in conspiracies and crazy speculation.
You think the government is plotting against you. Charlie thought there was going to be a race war.
I don't get that he's a fan, but he does have somewhat of a point. Manson was a sadistic man who had a lot of evil, but if we want to strictly compare who was responsible or played a part in more deaths, well, then look no further to a certain former president and all those who propagated a war based on WMD's.
Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
I'm mostly playing with him. He's actually got a very good point.
I'm glad Chuck is gone. He's a psychopathic imbecile.
With that said... Charlie never actually killed people. His cult followers did. It makes the case just that much more bizarre. Why his hippie moron followers never said, "Whoa. You want us to... what?" is beyond me.
How deranged do you have to be to buy his dumb story and execute his plan the way he detailed it? Atkins et al should have been executed. Just sickening.
Don’t backpedal. Initial reaction was based off of emotion, but after thinking about it the truth is easier to accept.
A murderer is a murderer, just because one wears a suit doesn’t mean that they aren’t the same. Insanity shows itself in many forms.
I find it reprehensible that you all cheer on his demise.
It's not like he manufactured wars that led to the deaths of millions of people like that Senator from Arizona.
Charles Manson is in rookie league by comparison.
But I guess perception outweighs truth.
Lol
So you're a Charlie Manson fan? Not surprised. You both believe in conspiracies and crazy speculation.
You think the government is plotting against you. Charlie thought there was going to be a race war.
I don't get that he's a fan, but he does have somewhat of a point. Manson was a sadistic man who had a lot of evil, but if we want to strictly compare who was responsible or played a part in more deaths, well, then look no further to a certain former president and all those who propagated a war based on WMD's.
Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
I'm mostly playing with him. He's actually got a very good point.
I'm glad Chuck is gone. He's a psychopathic imbecile.
With that said... Charlie never actually killed people. His cult followers did. It makes the case just that much more bizarre. Why his hippie moron followers never said, "Whoa. You want us to... what?" is beyond me.
How deranged do you have to be to buy his dumb story and execute his plan the way he detailed it? Atkins et al should have been executed. Just sickening.
Don’t backpedal. Initial reaction was based off of emotion, but after thinking about it the truth is easier to accept.
A murderer is a murderer, just because one wears a suit doesn’t mean that they aren’t the same. Insanity shows itself in many forms.
I find it reprehensible that you all cheer on his demise.
It's not like he manufactured wars that led to the deaths of millions of people like that Senator from Arizona.
Charles Manson is in rookie league by comparison.
But I guess perception outweighs truth.
Lol
So you're a Charlie Manson fan? Not surprised. You both believe in conspiracies and crazy speculation.
You think the government is plotting against you. Charlie thought there was going to be a race war.
I don't get that he's a fan, but he does have somewhat of a point. Manson was a sadistic man who had a lot of evil, but if we want to strictly compare who was responsible or played a part in more deaths, well, then look no further to a certain former president and all those who propagated a war based on WMD's.
Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
I'm mostly playing with him. He's actually got a very good point.
I'm glad Chuck is gone. He's a psychopathic imbecile.
With that said... Charlie never actually killed people. His cult followers did. It makes the case just that much more bizarre. Why his hippie moron followers never said, "Whoa. You want us to... what?" is beyond me.
How deranged do you have to be to buy his dumb story and execute his plan the way he detailed it? Atkins et al should have been executed. Just sickening.
Don’t backpedal. Initial reaction was based off of emotion, but after thinking about it the truth is easier to accept.
A murderer is a murderer, just because one wears a suit doesn’t mean that they aren’t the same. Insanity shows itself in many forms.
Don't worry, I'll celebrate when Dick Cheney, Rummy, and the other American war criminals get buried
But how about the soldier that kills following orders? How about the operative performing torture under orders? How about the guy controllig the drone from a control room when it kills innocent civilians?
Don't worry, I'll celebrate when Dick Cheney, Rummy, and the other American war criminals get buried
But how about the soldier that kills following orders? How about the operative performing torture under orders? How about the guy controllig the drone from a control room when it kills innocent civilians?
How about the guy acting on his fear of elimination of the white race?
Don't worry, I'll celebrate when Dick Cheney, Rummy, and the other American war criminals get buried
But how about the soldier that kills following orders? How about the operative performing torture under orders? How about the guy controllig the drone from a control room when it kills innocent civilians?
It’s that fascinating realm of conformity vs individualtiy, respect authority or question it, leading into the massive grey area of responsibility and motivation. Ultimately deciding on when violence is okay, and when it isn’t.
I don't understand what in the hell other bad people have to do with anything. That issue has no effect whatsoever on how I feel about Charles Manson or the fact that he's finally kicked the bucket.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I find it reprehensible that you all cheer on his demise.
It's not like he manufactured wars that led to the deaths of millions of people like that Senator from Arizona.
Charles Manson is in rookie league by comparison.
But I guess perception outweighs truth.
Lol
So you're a Charlie Manson fan? Not surprised. You both believe in conspiracies and crazy speculation.
You think the government is plotting against you. Charlie thought there was going to be a race war.
I don't get that he's a fan, but he does have somewhat of a point. Manson was a sadistic man who had a lot of evil, but if we want to strictly compare who was responsible or played a part in more deaths, well, then look no further to a certain former president and all those who propagated a war based on WMD's.
Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
I'm mostly playing with him. He's actually got a very good point.
I'm glad Chuck is gone. He's a psychopathic imbecile.
With that said... Charlie never actually killed people. His cult followers did. It makes the case just that much more bizarre. Why his hippie moron followers never said, "Whoa. You want us to... what?" is beyond me.
How deranged do you have to be to buy his dumb story and execute his plan the way he detailed it? Atkins et al should have been executed. Just sickening.
Don’t backpedal. Initial reaction was based off of emotion, but after thinking about it the truth is easier to accept.
A murderer is a murderer, just because one wears a suit doesn’t mean that they aren’t the same. Insanity shows itself in many forms.
Lol
I am not backpedalling. You and Chuck both have some bizarre theories that are not aligned with reality.
In the post you have quoted, I acknowledged there are politicians with blood on their hands.
"My brain's a good brain!"
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Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,314
Don't worry, I'll celebrate when Dick Cheney, Rummy, and the other American war criminals get buried
But how about the soldier that kills following orders? How about the operative performing torture under orders? How about the guy controllig the drone from a control room when it kills innocent civilians?
Excellent questions. I can't comment on one soldier killing another because I'm against war but it happens. I'm reading Escape from the Land of Snows by Stephan Talty, a book about the Dalai Lama's escape from Tibet in the 50's, and well into that book the he talks about how the Dalai Lama is pro peace/anti war but at the same time understands the rebel uprising which had led to warring with China. So horrible as one soldier killing another, it happens.
But as far as torture under orders and killing innocent civilians- that I cut no slack on.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
A lot of soldiers are really, really brainwashed though. They have been specifically conditioned to not disobey orders. So I'm not sure it's always fair to condemn soldiers for such actions when they have basically been programmed to carry out such deeds. The military is VERY good at finding the right people who are vulnerable to such conditioning. Condemn the people who went out of their way to turn the soldiers into what they became instead (not to say that as a blanket statement... there are some soldiers who are just monsters... they didn't even need to be conditioned to carry out evil acts).
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
A lot of soldiers are really, really brainwashed though. They have been specifically conditioned to not disobey orders. So I'm not sure it's always fair to condemn soldiers for such actions when they have basically been programmed to carry out such deeds. The military is VERY good at finding the right people who are vulnerable to such conditioning. Condemn the people who went out of their way to turn the soldiers into what they became instead (not to say that as a blanket statement... there are some soldiers who are just monsters... they didn't even need to be conditioned to carry out evil acts).
It is not so much a predisposition versus simple human nature. The overwhelming majority of people are vulnerable to 'falling in line'.
Read 'Ordinary Men' or look at the Stanford study that reveals human nature is vulnerable to authority.
I'm aware of that study and others on the topic. Yes, a lot of people are sheep at the end of the day, sadly .... But plenty of people are not, so that is something. Since there are many people who aren't like that, I don't think calling it human nature is really accurate. I think it's more social conditioning. If it was human nature, there wouldn't be so many people who do have the predisposition to reject authority when they think it's called for. But the military doesn't like those people, obviously. Those are the people who don't make it in the military.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Then you are removing human nature from social conditioning. They are linked for certain.
Well if you want to look at it like that, literally everything we do is linked to human nature, and being resilient to that social conditioning would also be a part of human nature, so people don't all respond to "human nature" in the same way, in that case. So boiling it down to human nature doesn't exactly help us get into the meaningful details of things. Psychologists and sociologists obviously can't just say "it's human nature" and be done with the discussion. Also, to just attribute such things to "human nature" suggests that there is nothing that can be done about it. I do not believe that to be true. Change society and how it conditions people in certain ways, then you change the behaviour of more and more people.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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Lots of people to say good riddance to in this world.
To be fair, I don't see anyone celebrating his death in this thread unlike someone did with said senator from AZ.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I'm glad Chuck is gone. He's a psychopathic imbecile.
With that said... Charlie never actually killed people. His cult followers did. It makes the case just that much more bizarre. Why his hippie moron followers never said, "Whoa. You want us to... what?" is beyond me.
How deranged do you have to be to buy his dumb story and execute his plan the way he detailed it? Atkins et al should have been executed. Just sickening.
I hear ya. I think I tried to say this (obviously clumsily).
Glad he is gone? not so much as not sad he passed.finally.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I hated hearing of him as he lived as a pseudo star behind bars. I'm glad he's gone.
Signed,
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A murderer is a murderer, just because one wears a suit doesn’t mean that they aren’t the same. Insanity shows itself in many forms.
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Don't worry, I'll celebrate when Dick Cheney, Rummy, and the other American war criminals get buried
But how about the soldier that kills following orders? How about the operative performing torture under orders? How about the guy controllig the drone from a control room when it kills innocent civilians?
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
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I am not backpedalling. You and Chuck both have some bizarre theories that are not aligned with reality.
In the post you have quoted, I acknowledged there are politicians with blood on their hands.
But as far as torture under orders and killing innocent civilians- that I cut no slack on.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Read 'Ordinary Men' or look at the Stanford study that reveals human nature is vulnerable to authority.