Canadian Politics

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

sooo ... thoughts on justin trudeau?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... rship.html

personally, i think it's too early for him ... he is still raw and i think he's gonna take a beating but at the same time, the Liberal party needed a renewal similar to what they did under Dion and then caved when the people soaked up the smear campaign ...

I'm going out on limb here...I think the liberal party is done for a long time, maybe forever. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the NDP became the centralist party people are looking for. I just don't see Harper being defeated in the next election unless something real scandalous happens that causes people to sour on him.

As for Trudeau couldn't stand his old man and sure as hell can't stand him...and quite honestly I'm not a fan of Harper but quite glad we got a PM thats not from Quebec for a change.

But unlike the Americans we are not bombarded for 4 years about the next election.

keeponrockin

polaris_x wrote:

sooo ... thoughts on justin trudeau?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... rship.html

personally, i think it's too early for him ... he is still raw and i think he's gonna take a beating but at the same time, the Liberal party needed a renewal similar to what they did under Dion and then caved when the people soaked up the smear campaign ...

When I spoke with Trudeau I was very impressed with him. Is he ready? I'm not sure but regardless he'll probably get my vote as the Conservative MP in my riding is an ass.

lukin2006

I didn't need an attack ad to convince me that Dion was not up to the job...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv-5biChVrA

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

I'm going out on limb here...I think the liberal party is done for a long time, maybe forever. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the NDP became the centralist party people are looking for. I just don't see Harper being defeated in the next election unless something real scandalous happens that causes people to sour on him.

As for Trudeau couldn't stand his old man and sure as hell can't stand him...and quite honestly I'm not a fan of Harper but quite glad we got a PM thats not from Quebec for a change.

But unlike the Americans we are not bombarded for 4 years about the next election.

liberals are polling in the mid 20% range ... that's not necessarily a party that is done ...

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

I'm going out on limb here...I think the liberal party is done for a long time, maybe forever. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the NDP became the centralist party people are looking for. I just don't see Harper being defeated in the next election unless something real scandalous happens that causes people to sour on him.

As for Trudeau couldn't stand his old man and sure as hell can't stand him...and quite honestly I'm not a fan of Harper but quite glad we got a PM thats not from Quebec for a change.

But unlike the Americans we are not bombarded for 4 years about the next election.

liberals are polling in the mid 20% range ... that's not necessarily a party that is done ...

Yeah...I'm seen how great polls are...if they were accurate...Harper would have a minority, Hudak would be Premier, The Parti Quebecois would have a majority, and Redford would not be Premier of Alberta and didn't the polls give Smitherman a shot a being Mayor of Toronto and Ford won easily ( I could be wrong on that one though).

So I generally don't take polls very seriously anymore.

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Yeah...I'm seen how great polls are...if they were accurate...Harper would have a minority, Hudak would be Premier, The Parti Quebecois would have a majority, and Redford would not be Premier of Alberta and didn't the polls give Smitherman a shot a being Mayor of Toronto and Ford won easily ( I could be wrong on that one though).

So I generally don't take polls very seriously anymore.

the polling showed us exactly what happened ... obviously, how that translates in our voting system is different ... you can have 25% of the people and get like only 5% of the seats ...

but i don't think they are a party that is done ...

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Yeah...I'm seen how great polls are...if they were accurate...Harper would have a minority, Hudak would be Premier, The Parti Quebecois would have a majority, and Redford would not be Premier of Alberta and didn't the polls give Smitherman a shot a being Mayor of Toronto and Ford won easily ( I could be wrong on that one though).

So I generally don't take polls very seriously anymore.

the polling showed us exactly what happened ... obviously, how that translates in our voting system is different ... you can have 25% of the people and get like only 5% of the seats ...

but i don't think they are a party that is done ...

I guess time will tell...doesn't matter to me anymore, PC, NDP, Liberal, Green or whatnot there all gangsters with their own agenda...and that agenda doesn't include middle class, lower middle class or poor people.

polaris_x

gotta love the conservatives ... testing the waters on abortion ... what happened to we aren't bringing that up? ... the hidden agenda ...

Drowned Out

polaris_x wrote:

gotta love the conservatives ... testing the waters on abortion ... what happened to we aren't bringing that up? ... the hidden agenda ...

ya, sickening....never saw that coming, right? :roll:
If they win the next election, I'm moving to the states

polaris_x

Drowned Out wrote:

ya, sickening....never saw that coming, right? :roll:
If they win the next election, I'm moving to the states

i'm gonna go to iceland or new zealand i think ...

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

gotta love the conservatives ... testing the waters on abortion ... what happened to we aren't bringing that up? ... the hidden agenda ...

Commons defeats Conservative MP’s pro-life motion

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/poli ... ife-begins

It got easily defeated so everybody can relax now .

lukin2006

Drowned Out wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

gotta love the conservatives ... testing the waters on abortion ... what happened to we aren't bringing that up? ... the hidden agenda ...

ya, sickening....never saw that coming, right? :roll:
If they win the next election, I'm moving to the states

better start packing

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Commons defeats Conservative MP’s pro-life motion

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/poli ... ife-begins

It got easily defeated so everybody can relax now .

for sure ... but the fact that harper would let him bring it up just means they are testing the waters ... and pretty much confirms our fears for his hidden agenda which included the gutting of the environment, religious interference, etc.

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Commons defeats Conservative MP’s pro-life motion

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/poli ... ife-begins

It got easily defeated so everybody can relax now .

for sure ... but the fact that harper would let him bring it up just means they are testing the waters ... and pretty much confirms our fears for his hidden agenda which included the gutting of the environment, religious interference, etc.

They all got a hidden agenda...every one them, doesn't matter the party...that's why every single individual gets involved in politics...to serve themselves with their hidden agenda...the last politician that truly did anything for the people was Tommy Douglas and that's a long time a ago.

Drowned Out

Rona Ambrose, Canada's Status of Women Minister, voted in favour of that bill.....man these people are so fucking ass-backwards....talk about whoring principle, and the will of people, for a cushy cabinet posting. what a joke.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le4571637/

polaris_x

Drowned Out wrote:

Rona Ambrose, Canada's Status of Women Minister, voted in favour of that bill.....man these people are so fucking ass-backwards....talk about whoring principle, and the will of people, for a cushy cabinet posting. what a joke.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le4571637/

you can tell which portfolios are of little concern to harper based on his appointments ... :(

lukin2006

Not that I really care much either way about abortion...but if I got it right the backbench mp introduced a motion that would have created an all party committee to study when life begins, not even close to an actual bill...correct? it was a private members bill, and they usually never go far...correct? it was a free vote...correct? It was voted down... correct? personally all votes in the house should be free votes...and my guess is even if they did proceed to committee it would never gained traction because Harper would not have let it get any farther than committee.


But like I said I have no interest either way just some of my observations.

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Not that I really care much either way about abortion...but if I got it right the backbench mp introduced a motion that would have created an all party committee to study when life begins, not even close to an actual bill...correct? it was a private members bill, and they usually never go far...correct? it was a free vote...correct? It was voted down... correct? personally all votes in the house should be free votes...and my guess is even if they did proceed to committee it would never gained traction because Harper would not have let it get any farther than committee.


But like I said I have no interest either way just some of my observations.

yes but you do realize that the entire conservative caucus is micro-managed and that nothing gets done or said without his approval ... and that this was a strategic ploy to test the waters ... he has to placate his base and this is a big issue for them ...

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Not that I really care much either way about abortion...but if I got it right the backbench mp introduced a motion that would have created an all party committee to study when life begins, not even close to an actual bill...correct? it was a private members bill, and they usually never go far...correct? it was a free vote...correct? It was voted down... correct? personally all votes in the house should be free votes...and my guess is even if they did proceed to committee it would never gained traction because Harper would not have let it get any farther than committee.


But like I said I have no interest either way just some of my observations.

yes but you do realize that the entire conservative caucus is micro-managed and that nothing gets done or said without his approval ... and that this was a strategic ploy to test the waters ... he has to placate his base and this is a big issue for them ...

I know his caucus is micro managed...so it was a long ways from even getting close to a bill...

I just love this hidden agenda...every politician has an hidden agenda...no more than than the premier of ontario who has lied every step of the way since getting elected 9 years ago.

Not 1 single politician goes into the job with the intent to make Canada a better place...they go into with the intent to make themselves better off.

dignin

Drowned Out wrote:

Rona Ambrose, Canada's Status of Women Minister, voted in favour of that bill.....man these people are so fucking ass-backwards....talk about whoring principle, and the will of people, for a cushy cabinet posting. what a joke.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le4571637/

She's an embarrassment.