Do you even know the context the term "death panels" was first used? It was used by Sarah Palin describing a panel that would determine what would or wouldn't be paid for by the government. It may not have been accurate but it's also a far cry from claiming that the government would euthanize people. So people claiming that Palin or Fox News ever said that Obama's plan would force senior citizens to be judged by a death panel that determined if they lived or died misrepresented the quote. Does that make those people repsonsible for this woman's death since she clearly seemed to believe their interpretation of the quote? I'm guessing nobody who blames Fox News will also blame themselves.
yeah ... fed to her by a right wing think tank ... and then ran with by fox news ...
listen ... no one is saying fox news is to blame except the son in this case ...
but if you guys can't see how the PR and propaganda machine contributed to this woman's death - i'm not too sure what else to say ... we've already said that the woman and to a certain degree the family have to take personal responsibility ... but the fact is - she would have went to the doctor if she wasn't brainwashed into believing lies ... lies perpetuated by fox ...
Who equated "death panels" with euthanasia? Palin? I don't think so. She sai the government would refuse to pay for health care in some instances and referred to the people making those decisions as a "death panel" (and she used quotes when she wrote it). Somehow, that was reported as Sarah Palin claiming that the "death panels" would be euthanizing people, like in this article:
In a Facebook posting, the former GOP vice presidential candidate claimed that Obama's scheme will create a "death panel" promoting euthanasia.
The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
That sounds to me like she was warning against the government rationing health care and there's no mention of euthanasia. So who was it that said "death panels" would equal euthanasia?
Do you even know the context the term "death panels" was first used? It was used by Sarah Palin describing a panel that would determine what would or wouldn't be paid for by the government. It may not have been accurate but it's also a far cry from claiming that the government would euthanize people. So people claiming that Palin or Fox News ever said that Obama's plan would force senior citizens to be judged by a death panel that determined if they lived or died misrepresented the quote. Does that make those people repsonsible for this woman's death since she clearly seemed to believe their interpretation of the quote? I'm guessing nobody who blames Fox News will also blame themselves.
yeah ... fed to her by a right wing think tank ... and then ran with by fox news ...
listen ... no one is saying fox news is to blame except the son in this case ...
but if you guys can't see how the PR and propaganda machine contributed to this woman's death - i'm not too sure what else to say ... we've already said that the woman and to a certain degree the family have to take personal responsibility ... but the fact is - she would have went to the doctor if she wasn't brainwashed into believing lies ... lies perpetuated by fox ...
Who equated "death panels" with euthanasia? Palin? I don't think so. She sai the government would refuse to pay for health care in some instances and referred to the people making those decisions as a "death panel" (and she used quotes when she wrote it). Somehow, that was reported as Sarah Palin claiming that the "death panels" would be euthanizing people, like in this article:
In a Facebook posting, the former GOP vice presidential candidate claimed that Obama's scheme will create a "death panel" promoting euthanasia.
The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
That sounds to me like she was warning against the government rationing health care and there's no mention of euthanasia. So who was it that said "death panels" would equal euthanasia?
she used the term euthanasia on several occasions. i will look for it when i get home. i can't do a thorough search in between patients without getting logged off of here..
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How can we read the exact same Sarah Palin quote and you not see anything evil in talking about "elderly standing before a death panel"? Come on - that was a big fat lie, just like almost everything the GOP says these days.
Has anyone from the right wing ever come out and said "I'm sorry - there are no death panels"? I've never heard it. Ridiculous.
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i would love to hear how this was a killer post!? ... all it said was that potentially sarah palin's words were taken out of context ... but as you should be able to see ... the term death panels was widely used by conservative pundits ... primarily through fox ... so, please enlighten me how this post was killer?
Also, I don't think you can forcibly take an adult to a hospital, so some of you might be presumptuous in blaming the family. It seems we don't have all the facts here, so we can't quite blame Fox News or her family at this point.
Of course, I don't see how anyone can deny that Fox News spreads false information.
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How can we read the exact same Sarah Palin quote and you not see anything evil in talking about "elderly standing before a death panel"? Come on - that was a big fat lie, just like almost everything the GOP says these days.
Has anyone from the right wing ever come out and said "I'm sorry - there are no death panels"? I've never heard it. Ridiculous.
I said that it may not have been accurate, but it is still a far cry from asserting that the government will decide to force euthanasia on the elderly. If you read the entire quote it's obvious that she's talking about rationing health care to save money and that people (not just the elderly, either) will suffer because of it. The term "death panels" was clearly rhetoric and the left ran with it and turned it into "Sarah Palin said Obama is going to force euthanasia on people." For the record, I searched "Sarah Palin euthanasia" and "Sarah Palin euathanasia quotes" in Google and all I came up with after 5 pages was the Facebook post I quoted in my other post. I did find articles accusing her of making false statements about euthanasia (such as the article I linked to and quoted) but they all seem to use that same Facebook post.
I said that it may not have been accurate, but it is still a far cry from asserting that the government will decide to force euthanasia on the elderly. If you read the entire quote it's obvious that she's talking about rationing health care to save money and that people (not just the elderly, either) will suffer because of it. The term "death panels" was clearly rhetoric and the left ran with it and turned it into "Sarah Palin said Obama is going to force euthanasia on people." For the record, I searched "Sarah Palin euthanasia" and "Sarah Palin euathanasia quotes" in Google and all I came up with after 5 pages was the Facebook post I quoted in my other post. I did find articles accusing her of making false statements about euthanasia (such as the article I linked to and quoted) but they all seem to use that same Facebook post.
the left didn't run with it ... the right did! ... that's why we are having this discussion ... this woman watched FOX all the time and that's where she got it from ... see my link from wikipedia ...
i would love to hear how this was a killer post!? ... all it said was that potentially sarah palin's words were taken out of context ... but as you should be able to see ... the term death panels was widely used by conservative pundits ... primarily through fox ... so, please enlighten me how this post was killer?
If I may answer this:
Everyone here seems to be saying that the woman was afraid of being euthanized against her will and that it's Fox News' fault for reporting that. I pointed out the true context of the term "death panels" had nothing to do with euthanasia and that it was editorials from people on the left that made that connection and reported it as a fact that she had said it. So if you want to blame someone for planting that fear in tis woman's head, then you have to look at how the pundits on the left twisted her words and reported their false interpretation as factual information. Personally, I don't blame anyone but the stubborn old woman herself--and even then there's no guarantee that she would still be alive today if she'd gone to the hospital.
I said that it may not have been accurate, but it is still a far cry from asserting that the government will decide to force euthanasia on the elderly. If you read the entire quote it's obvious that she's talking about rationing health care to save money and that people (not just the elderly, either) will suffer because of it. The term "death panels" was clearly rhetoric and the left ran with it and turned it into "Sarah Palin said Obama is going to force euthanasia on people." For the record, I searched "Sarah Palin euthanasia" and "Sarah Palin euathanasia quotes" in Google and all I came up with after 5 pages was the Facebook post I quoted in my other post. I did find articles accusing her of making false statements about euthanasia (such as the article I linked to and quoted) but they all seem to use that same Facebook post.
the left didn't run with it ... the right did! ... that's why we are having this discussion ... this woman watched FOX all the time and that's where she got it from ... see my link from wikipedia ...
"Rationing health care" is a very small step from euthanasia, even if she didn't directly say it. And, yes, the RIGHT WING ran with it.
Pretty soon we'll be back to birth certificates I guess.
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Everyone here seems to be saying that the woman was afraid of being euthanized against her will and that it's Fox News' fault for reporting that. I pointed out the true context of the term "death panels" had nothing to do with euthanasia and that it was editorials from people on the left that made that connection and reported it as a fact that she had said it. So if you want to blame someone for planting that fear in tis woman's head, then you have to look at how the pundits on the left twisted her words and reported their false interpretation as factual information. Personally, I don't blame anyone but the stubborn old woman herself--and even then there's no guarantee that she would still be alive today if she'd gone to the hospital.
all you pointed out was that her words may have been taken out of context ... where you are mistaken is that you think the left ran with it ... when in fact it was the right and fox ...
as I've shown you earlier if you had bothered to read it ...
You can take an elderly parent to the hospital who is in a life threatening situation.
Leading up to this point when the family was seeing her irrational behavior much can be done
that a responsible family would have done.
i would love to hear how this was a killer post!? ... all it said was that potentially sarah palin's words were taken out of context ... but as you should be able to see ... the term death panels was widely used by conservative pundits ... primarily through fox ... so, please enlighten me how this post was killer?
it did what it was intended to do..a fair and ballanced report ... and it got yer goat buddy.
no bad thoughts man just funny that you asked me that question. crap i can't stop laughing
it did what it was intended to do..a fair and ballanced report ... and it got yer goat buddy.
no bad thoughts man just funny that you asked me that question. crap i can't stop laughing
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... it didn't get my goat ... what it did is show that you don't actually pay attention to the words because it's already been shown that he was wrong in his accusations ... all it shows is instead of contributing something to this thread - you took the first person to write something remotely close to your bias and blew smoke up his ass despite him not being completely accurate ... but hey ... at least you got a good laugh out of it ...
it did what it was intended to do..a fair and ballanced report ... and it got yer goat buddy.
no bad thoughts man just funny that you asked me that question. crap i can't stop laughing
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... it didn't get my goat ... what it did is show that you don't actually pay attention to the words because it's already been shown that he was wrong in his accusations ... all it shows is instead of contributing something to this thread - you took the first person to write something remotely close to your bias and blew smoke up his ass despite him not being completely accurate ... but hey ... at least you got a good laugh out of it ...
Everyone here seems to be saying that the woman was afraid of being euthanized against her will and that it's Fox News' fault for reporting that. I pointed out the true context of the term "death panels" had nothing to do with euthanasia and that it was editorials from people on the left that made that connection and reported it as a fact that she had said it. So if you want to blame someone for planting that fear in tis woman's head, then you have to look at how the pundits on the left twisted her words and reported their false interpretation as factual information. Personally, I don't blame anyone but the stubborn old woman herself--and even then there's no guarantee that she would still be alive today if she'd gone to the hospital.
all you pointed out was that her words may have been taken out of context ... where you are mistaken is that you think the left ran with it ... when in fact it was the right and fox ...
as I've shown you earlier if you had bothered to read it ...
I actually did read it. I 'd just like to point out that I find it pretty ironic that wikipedia is being cited in a thread that claims Fox News isn't a valid news cource.
I never said the right didn't harp on the term "death panel." What I'm saying is that the people here who are saying that Fox News, Sarah Palin, etc. equated "death Panels" with euthanasia are wrong. It was the left who turned that quote into that and they ran with it for the purpose of making Palin look stupid (or stupider). All of the articles I found that linked Palin's use of "death panels" with euthanasia were written by people on the left. She never made that connection and I didn't find any articles in 5 pages of results that showed Fox News making that connection. Palin was talking about a denial of care or minimal care when she equated that section of the bill to a "death panel." So if this woman was afraid of what Palin called a "death panel" as it was used by Palin and Fox News, as far as I can tell she would have been afraid of being denied care at the hospital. If she was afraid of being euthanized, then she was afraid of what the pundits on the left reported as the meaning behind Palin's words. In either case, it was her choice to stay home and if any family members or friends were unable to convince her to get medical help then it's because she didn't want it and not because Fox News or editorials on the left misled her.
I would expect something a little more fact driven from you.
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Actually... those are facts:
FOX News broadcast those stories along with tons of commentary on thos topics disguised as news.
She was stupid because she believed it to be news (journaliasm) because they present it as journalism, not as editorial.
She died based upon her idiotic assumptions that FOX News actually delivers 'news'.
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I actually did read it. I 'd just like to point out that I find it pretty ironic that wikipedia is being cited in a thread that claims Fox News isn't a valid news cource.
I noticed that too.
How about this - should clear everything up. Anyone got a problem with factcheck.org?
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I actually did read it. I 'd just like to point out that I find it pretty ironic that wikipedia is being cited in a thread that claims Fox News isn't a valid news cource.
I never said the right didn't harp on the term "death panel." What I'm saying is that the people here who are saying that Fox News, Sarah Palin, etc. equated "death Panels" with euthanasia are wrong. It was the left who turned that quote into that and they ran with it for the purpose of making Palin look stupid (or stupider). All of the articles I found that linked Palin's use of "death panels" with euthanasia were written by people on the left. She never made that connection and I didn't find any articles in 5 pages of results that showed Fox News making that connection. Palin was talking about a denial of care or minimal care when she equated that section of the bill to a "death panel." So if this woman was afraid of what Palin called a "death panel" as it was used by Palin and Fox News, as far as I can tell she would have been afraid of being denied care at the hospital. If she was afraid of being euthanized, then she was afraid of what the pundits on the left reported as the meaning behind Palin's words. In either case, it was her choice to stay home and if any family members or friends were unable to convince her to get medical help then it's because she didn't want it and not because Fox News or editorials on the left misled her.
dude ... why would the left need to run with death panels!?? ... sarah palin doesn't need help to make her look stupid ...
the reality is that right wing conservative pundits were the ones who ran with death panels because they were trying to undermine obamacare and obama in general ... they used it as a fear tactic which is what the right is good at ... that is why this lady refused to go see a doctor ... she ate the lies she was fed by fox ...
the left had nothing to do with death panels ... you're stretching here ... c'mon ...
I actually did read it. I 'd just like to point out that I find it pretty ironic that wikipedia is being cited in a thread that claims Fox News isn't a valid news cource.
I never said the right didn't harp on the term "death panel." What I'm saying is that the people here who are saying that Fox News, Sarah Palin, etc. equated "death Panels" with euthanasia are wrong. It was the left who turned that quote into that and they ran with it for the purpose of making Palin look stupid (or stupider). All of the articles I found that linked Palin's use of "death panels" with euthanasia were written by people on the left. She never made that connection and I didn't find any articles in 5 pages of results that showed Fox News making that connection. Palin was talking about a denial of care or minimal care when she equated that section of the bill to a "death panel." So if this woman was afraid of what Palin called a "death panel" as it was used by Palin and Fox News, as far as I can tell she would have been afraid of being denied care at the hospital. If she was afraid of being euthanized, then she was afraid of what the pundits on the left reported as the meaning behind Palin's words. In either case, it was her choice to stay home and if any family members or friends were unable to convince her to get medical help then it's because she didn't want it and not because Fox News or editorials on the left misled her.
dude ... why would the left need to run with death panels!?? ... sarah palin doesn't need help to make her look stupid ...
the reality is that right wing conservative pundits were the ones who ran with death panels because they were trying to undermine obamacare and obama in general ... they used it as a fear tactic which is what the right is good at ... that is why this lady refused to go see a doctor ... she ate the lies she was fed by fox ...
the left had nothing to do with death panels ... you're stretching here ... c'mon ...
Did you read the article I linked to earlier? They said Palin's quote referred to euthanasia. It didn't. I can post links to several other articles that make the same false accusations.
I actually did read it. I 'd just like to point out that I find it pretty ironic that wikipedia is being cited in a thread that claims Fox News isn't a valid news cource.
I never said the right didn't harp on the term "death panel." What I'm saying is that the people here who are saying that Fox News, Sarah Palin, etc. equated "death Panels" with euthanasia are wrong. It was the left who turned that quote into that and they ran with it for the purpose of making Palin look stupid (or stupider). All of the articles I found that linked Palin's use of "death panels" with euthanasia were written by people on the left. She never made that connection and I didn't find any articles in 5 pages of results that showed Fox News making that connection. Palin was talking about a denial of care or minimal care when she equated that section of the bill to a "death panel." So if this woman was afraid of what Palin called a "death panel" as it was used by Palin and Fox News, as far as I can tell she would have been afraid of being denied care at the hospital. If she was afraid of being euthanized, then she was afraid of what the pundits on the left reported as the meaning behind Palin's words. In either case, it was her choice to stay home and if any family members or friends were unable to convince her to get medical help then it's because she didn't want it and not because Fox News or editorials on the left misled her.
dude ... why would the left need to run with death panels!?? ... sarah palin doesn't need help to make her look stupid ...
the reality is that right wing conservative pundits were the ones who ran with death panels because they were trying to undermine obamacare and obama in general ... they used it as a fear tactic which is what the right is good at ... that is why this lady refused to go see a doctor ... she ate the lies she was fed by fox ...
the left had nothing to do with death panels ... you're stretching here ... c'mon ...
Did you read the article I linked to earlier? They said Palin's quote referred to euthanasia. It didn't. I can post links to several other articles that make the same false accusations.
c'mon dude ... are you denying that right wing conservative pundits did not run with the whole "death panels" thing? ... to oppose obama? ... by using fear? ...
c'mon dude ... are you denying that right wing conservative pundits did not run with the whole "death panels" thing? ... to oppose obama? ... by using fear? ...
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Remember how Obama was going to take away everyone's guns... so crazy fucking people ran out and bought up guns and ammo after the election?
Remember how Obama was going to indoctrinate the little children with a televised message at the beginning of the school year.. and fucking nutcases freaked out and kept their kids home?
Remember how Obama 'Nationalized' all of the banks, General Motors and Chrysler?
Then, there were the 'Death Panels' and the vaccinations ahead of the flu season.
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Remember how it used to be when the Conservatives were the ones who never bought into conspiracy theories, such as the 9-11 Inside Job... but, now are the loonies with the birth certificates and other unfounded crazy shit?
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What the fuck happpened?
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Kind of just confirms how stupid Fox News viewers are.... :?
I'm a Fox viewer. That's a shit statement to make.
don't let the ramblings of a "smart guy :? " like this one get to ya.
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KILLER POST !! no pun intended
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who pushed "death panels"? ... it's pretty obvious no? ... the right wing propaganda machine that uses fox news to push their agenda ...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Has anyone from the right wing ever come out and said "I'm sorry - there are no death panels"? I've never heard it. Ridiculous.
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i would love to hear how this was a killer post!? ... all it said was that potentially sarah palin's words were taken out of context ... but as you should be able to see ... the term death panels was widely used by conservative pundits ... primarily through fox ... so, please enlighten me how this post was killer?
Of course, I don't see how anyone can deny that Fox News spreads false information.
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I said that it may not have been accurate, but it is still a far cry from asserting that the government will decide to force euthanasia on the elderly. If you read the entire quote it's obvious that she's talking about rationing health care to save money and that people (not just the elderly, either) will suffer because of it. The term "death panels" was clearly rhetoric and the left ran with it and turned it into "Sarah Palin said Obama is going to force euthanasia on people." For the record, I searched "Sarah Palin euthanasia" and "Sarah Palin euathanasia quotes" in Google and all I came up with after 5 pages was the Facebook post I quoted in my other post. I did find articles accusing her of making false statements about euthanasia (such as the article I linked to and quoted) but they all seem to use that same Facebook post.
the left didn't run with it ... the right did! ... that's why we are having this discussion ... this woman watched FOX all the time and that's where she got it from ... see my link from wikipedia ...
If I may answer this:
Everyone here seems to be saying that the woman was afraid of being euthanized against her will and that it's Fox News' fault for reporting that. I pointed out the true context of the term "death panels" had nothing to do with euthanasia and that it was editorials from people on the left that made that connection and reported it as a fact that she had said it. So if you want to blame someone for planting that fear in tis woman's head, then you have to look at how the pundits on the left twisted her words and reported their false interpretation as factual information. Personally, I don't blame anyone but the stubborn old woman herself--and even then there's no guarantee that she would still be alive today if she'd gone to the hospital.
"Rationing health care" is a very small step from euthanasia, even if she didn't directly say it. And, yes, the RIGHT WING ran with it.
Pretty soon we'll be back to birth certificates I guess.
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all you pointed out was that her words may have been taken out of context ... where you are mistaken is that you think the left ran with it ... when in fact it was the right and fox ...
as I've shown you earlier if you had bothered to read it ...
Leading up to this point when the family was seeing her irrational behavior much can be done
that a responsible family would have done.
it did what it was intended to do..a fair and ballanced report
no bad thoughts man just funny that you asked me that question. crap i can't stop laughing
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I actually did read it. I 'd just like to point out that I find it pretty ironic that wikipedia is being cited in a thread that claims Fox News isn't a valid news cource.
I never said the right didn't harp on the term "death panel." What I'm saying is that the people here who are saying that Fox News, Sarah Palin, etc. equated "death Panels" with euthanasia are wrong. It was the left who turned that quote into that and they ran with it for the purpose of making Palin look stupid (or stupider). All of the articles I found that linked Palin's use of "death panels" with euthanasia were written by people on the left. She never made that connection and I didn't find any articles in 5 pages of results that showed Fox News making that connection. Palin was talking about a denial of care or minimal care when she equated that section of the bill to a "death panel." So if this woman was afraid of what Palin called a "death panel" as it was used by Palin and Fox News, as far as I can tell she would have been afraid of being denied care at the hospital. If she was afraid of being euthanized, then she was afraid of what the pundits on the left reported as the meaning behind Palin's words. In either case, it was her choice to stay home and if any family members or friends were unable to convince her to get medical help then it's because she didn't want it and not because Fox News or editorials on the left misled her.
Actually... those are facts:
FOX News broadcast those stories along with tons of commentary on thos topics disguised as news.
She was stupid because she believed it to be news (journaliasm) because they present it as journalism, not as editorial.
She died based upon her idiotic assumptions that FOX News actually delivers 'news'.
Hail, Hail!!!
I noticed that too.
How about this - should clear everything up. Anyone got a problem with factcheck.org?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/palin-vs-obama-death-panels/
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dude ... why would the left need to run with death panels!?? ... sarah palin doesn't need help to make her look stupid ...
the reality is that right wing conservative pundits were the ones who ran with death panels because they were trying to undermine obamacare and obama in general ... they used it as a fear tactic which is what the right is good at ... that is why this lady refused to go see a doctor ... she ate the lies she was fed by fox ...
the left had nothing to do with death panels ... you're stretching here ... c'mon ...
Did you read the article I linked to earlier? They said Palin's quote referred to euthanasia. It didn't. I can post links to several other articles that make the same false accusations.
http://pol.moveon.org/truth/lies.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/1 ... 59155.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... 03544.html
By the way, this thread is on page 7 of Google's results for "death panel euthanasia" and Page 4 if you search "palin death panel euthanasia."
gatta say it....BAAAAMMMMM !!! KILLER POST !
Godfather.
Remember how Obama was going to take away everyone's guns... so crazy fucking people ran out and bought up guns and ammo after the election?
Remember how Obama was going to indoctrinate the little children with a televised message at the beginning of the school year.. and fucking nutcases freaked out and kept their kids home?
Remember how Obama 'Nationalized' all of the banks, General Motors and Chrysler?
Then, there were the 'Death Panels' and the vaccinations ahead of the flu season.
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Remember how it used to be when the Conservatives were the ones who never bought into conspiracy theories, such as the 9-11 Inside Job... but, now are the loonies with the birth certificates and other unfounded crazy shit?
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What the fuck happpened?
Hail, Hail!!!
I'm a Fox viewer. That's a shit statement to make.
Good job FOX, keep killen em :thumbup:
Godfather.
don't let the ramblings of a "smart guy :? " like this one get to ya.
Godfather.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/21/news/la-pn-fox-news-poll-20111121
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I usually try to ignore these topics as they don't end well. I'm conservative and Catholic and to some that means I'm the big bad boogey man...Sorry big, bad, stupid boogey woman
We have a great fan community here and it bothers me some are so quick judge others.