someone put the thought in her head by repeatedly stating that if she seeks medical attention there will be a death panel who would determine if she should be euthanized. whoever did that is at the very least partly to blame for this.
the family has nothing to lose, and if they really believe that fox is responsible i hope they bring the biggest lawsuit they can. even if they lose they will expose fox news for what it is.
to those who are saying fox does not make viewers stupid, why have there been several studies recently showing that fox news viewers constantly rank as the least informed of people who watch news channels? for god's sake, in those studies the daily show viewers are better informed than fox news viewers on most issues.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Say what you want about this story, but with my background in media marketing, people are very susceptible of believing, word for word, from their favorite choices for news information over hearsay from other people, including family. Heck, I could use family members as an example!
The point here is that what everyone already knows for Fox News to be spreading untruths, there are MANY viewers who not are only addicted to the station, but dangerously believe everything that they say.
So you want to government to regulate the media???
LOL Support Free Speech... As long as you say exactly what we tell you you're allowed to say :?
the media is already regulated ... you can't swear ... you can't show boobs ... you can't show a lot of things ... there used to be a thing called the fairness doctrine ... till reagan saw fit to get rid of it ...
media outlets especially under the guise of "news" should be held to the highest journalistic integrity ... i see nothing wrong with that ...
Good points
Wrong!
Ultimately its OUR responsibility to research/obtain knowledge in whatever form.
So she trusted people giving their opinions on Fox News (because the people mentioning death panels weren't the news anchors, they were the commentators) more than her own family? That's not Fox's fault.
c'mon now ... you know (or maybe not) that fox uses all kinds of trickery to push forward an agenda under the guise of "news" ... it's systemic in their broadcasting ... it's standard PR ... use death panels in as many instances as possible and it sticks ...
the media is already regulated ... you can't swear ... you can't show boobs ... you can't show a lot of things ... there used to be a thing called the fairness doctrine ... till reagan saw fit to get rid of it ...
media outlets especially under the guise of "news" should be held to the highest journalistic integrity ... i see nothing wrong with that ...
Good points
Wrong!
Ultimately its OUR responsibility to research/obtain knowledge in whatever form.
Maybe so, but you certainly won't hear that coming from the government, let alone the media (which is fully regulated) and public educators.
So you want to government to regulate the media???
LOL Support Free Speech... As long as you say exactly what we tell you you're allowed to say :?
the media is already regulated ... you can't swear ... you can't show boobs ... you can't show a lot of things ... there used to be a thing called the fairness doctrine ... till reagan saw fit to get rid of it ...
media outlets especially under the guise of "news" should be held to the highest journalistic integrity ... i see nothing wrong with that ...
The people on Fox News who claimed that there would be death panels were commentators not news anchors. If Sarah Palin goes on "The O'Reilly Factor" and says there will be death panels, that is different from their news anchor saying it. It's no different than newspapers having editorials. Those aren't always 100% accurate, either, but I never hear anyone blaming them for deaths (or any other problems, for that matter).
This lady's kid hates Fox News and now he's blaming them for her death. That's all anyone really knows. You don't know if she would've survived at a hospital or died the day of her fall from the effects of anesthesia or died the same day she died at her home, yet people have no problem casting blame based on a Facebook post. The outlets exploiting this woman's death in order to promote their hatred for a cable news channel are shameful and are no better than the people they say they detest.
So she trusted people giving their opinions on Fox News (because the people mentioning death panels weren't the news anchors, they were the commentators) more than her own family? That's not Fox's fault.
c'mon now ... you know (or maybe not) that fox uses all kinds of trickery to push forward an agenda under the guise of "news" ... it's systemic in their broadcasting ... it's standard PR ... use death panels in as many instances as possible and it sticks ...
She still didn't trust her own family over what she saw on TV. That's not Fox's fault.
* Story was picked up off Facebook
* Account was written by her son
* Son states he is a committed Occupy activist
* Son states he hates Fox News
* Editors / bloggers pushing this story exhibit anti-Fox News predisposition
That is all we know that is true. At no point in the Facebook post does the son indicate the cause of death or what injuries were suffered in the fall.
All we know for sure is that we have a grieving son who is extremely biased against Fox News and blames Fox News for the death of his mother.
Considering the story is a warning of how people can run with possibly biased and unconfirmed information from media outlets, the irony of media outlets pushing this same notion is quite outstanding.
these are all fair points ... except ... this isn't really a media outlet pushing it ...
* Story was picked up off Facebook
* Account was written by her son
* Son states he is a committed Occupy activist
* Son states he hates Fox News
* Editors / bloggers pushing this story exhibit anti-Fox News predisposition
That is all we know that is true. At no point in the Facebook post does the son indicate the cause of death or what injuries were suffered in the fall.
All we know for sure is that we have a grieving son who is extremely biased against Fox News and blames Fox News for the death of his mother.
Considering the story is a warning of how people can run with possibly biased and unconfirmed information from media outlets, the irony of media outlets pushing this same notion is quite outstanding.
She still didn't trust her own family over what she saw on TV. That's not Fox's fault.
do you see fault at either all or none? ... it's like cigarettes ... people do have to take responsibility for their actions and choices ... but when companies such as tobacco lace your product with cancer causing toxins without telling you ... they are slightly complicit ... when a media outlet under the guise of news pushes outward lies ... they are partially complicit as well ...
I find it quite disturbing all the defensiveness for Fox News here. We all know that it's not real news.
SHE made the decision not to seek medical attention, SHE made the decision to watch Fox news, SHE made the decision to believe what they had to say without using her braing/family/calling doctor/etc...
But yeah your right, its the TV shows fault...
I find it quite disturbing all the defensiveness for Fox News here. We all know that it's not real news.
It's disturbing to you that people aren't rushing to place blame for an old woman's death on a cable news channel? Why is that disturbing?
Her actions for refusing medical attention came from believing lies that Fox News told her. This is the problem with senior viewers. They actually believe everything they hear and see. But they should not be blamed for this. They grew up with real journalism that didn't lie to them. And now they're at the mercy of these lies that Fox is telling them. Like I said before, it is documented that news viewers are more likely to believe what their favorite station states over what family tells them. People watch stations that are in line with their thinking (which validates said thinking), over hearing opposing views. This especially happens with seniors, who are well known to be VERY set in their ways and views.
This is ridiculous. TV and the news are just bad, but this is beyond ridiculous. Kill your TV.
If she's that easily persuaded, I hope she didnt watch Star Trek and Baywatch back to back, or else she'd have been running around half naked on the beach screaming about Kilngons.
It's so easy to attack the elderly woman here, but all she was doing was what she thought was right. Which was to stay away from the hospital due to Obamacare and use of death panels, etc. Which is all she knew because she was a sacred watcher of Fox.
A prime example of how brainwashed the public really is to these stations.
It's so easy to attack the elderly woman here, but all she was doing was what she thought was right. Which was to stay away from the hospital due to Obamacare and use of death panels, etc. Which is all she knew because she was a sacred watcher of Fox.
A prime example of how brainwashed the public really is to these stations.
So, should we regulate TV watching for elderly since the TV causes them to make fatal decisions.
What is ridiculous is people in this thread ignoring the fact it is her family's responsibility
to care for her. This elderly person was left to her own devices making life threatening decisions
when her family should have stepped in and helped her.
Her son should have gotten her the help she needed not blame it on a TV station.
He could have saved her life ... that is what is sad here.
There comes a time for kids to step up no matter how ornery or stubborn their parent is.
What is ridiculous is people in this thread ignoring the fact it is her family's responsibility
to care for her. This elderly person was left to her own devices making life threatening decisions
when her family should have stepped in and helped her.
Her son should have gotten her the help she needed not blame it on a TV station.
He could have saved her life ... that is what is sad here.
There comes a time for kids to step up no matter how ornery or stubborn their parent is.
I find it quite disturbing all the defensiveness for Fox News here. We all know that it's not real news.
It's disturbing to you that people aren't rushing to place blame for an old woman's death on a cable news channel? Why is that disturbing?
Her actions for refusing medical attention came from believing lies that Fox News told her. This is the problem with senior viewers. They actually believe everything they hear and see. But they should not be blamed for this. They grew up with real journalism that didn't lie to them. And now they're at the mercy of these lies that Fox is telling them. Like I said before, it is documented that news viewers are more likely to believe what their favorite station states over what family tells them. People watch stations that are in line with their thinking (which validates said thinking), over hearing opposing views. This especially happens with seniors, who are well known to be VERY set in their ways and views.
Do you even know the context the term "death panels" was first used? It was used by Sarah Palin describing a panel that would determine what would or wouldn't be paid for by the government. It may not have been accurate but it's also a far cry from claiming that the government would euthanize people. So people claiming that Palin or Fox News ever said that Obama's plan would force senior citizens to be judged by a death panel that determined if they lived or died misrepresented the quote. Does that make those people repsonsible for this woman's death since she clearly seemed to believe their interpretation of the quote? I'm guessing nobody who blames Fox News will also blame themselves.
What is ridiculous is people in this thread ignoring the fact it is her family's responsibility
to care for her. This elderly person was left to her own devices making life threatening decisions
when her family should have stepped in and helped her.
Her son should have gotten her the help she needed not blame it on a TV station.
He could have saved her life ... that is what is sad here.
There comes a time for kids to step up no matter how ornery or stubborn their parent is.
Hey now.... none of that reason and logic is allowed here missy.
What is ridiculous is people in this thread ignoring the fact it is her family's responsibility
to care for her. This elderly person was left to her own devices making life threatening decisions
when her family should have stepped in and helped her.
Her son should have gotten her the help she needed not blame it on a TV station.
He could have saved her life ... that is what is sad here.
There comes a time for kids to step up no matter how ornery or stubborn their parent is.
exactly what I was thinking.
Too many of our seniors are alone and either are not looked after or are stubborn and think that they can take care of themselves. I lived in a nursing home for two months after a car accident. I feel like I know the older generation more than I should. Many of them are alone.
It doesn't dismiss the fact that a well known and highly rated media station is spewing lies that most of their audience takes for fact.
Do you even know the context the term "death panels" was first used? It was used by Sarah Palin describing a panel that would determine what would or wouldn't be paid for by the government. It may not have been accurate but it's also a far cry from claiming that the government would euthanize people. So people claiming that Palin or Fox News ever said that Obama's plan would force senior citizens to be judged by a death panel that determined if they lived or died misrepresented the quote. Does that make those people repsonsible for this woman's death since she clearly seemed to believe their interpretation of the quote? I'm guessing nobody who blames Fox News will also blame themselves.
yeah ... fed to her by a right wing think tank ... and then ran with by fox news ...
listen ... no one is saying fox news is to blame except the son in this case ...
but if you guys can't see how the PR and propaganda machine contributed to this woman's death - i'm not too sure what else to say ... we've already said that the woman and to a certain degree the family have to take personal responsibility ... but the fact is - she would have went to the doctor if she wasn't brainwashed into believing lies ... lies perpetuated by fox ...
* Story was picked up off Facebook
* Account was written by her son
* Son states he is a committed Occupy activist
* Son states he hates Fox News
* Editors / bloggers pushing this story exhibit anti-Fox News predisposition
That is all we know that is true. At no point in the Facebook post does the son indicate the cause of death or what injuries were suffered in the fall.
All we know for sure is that we have a grieving son who is extremely biased against Fox News and blames Fox News for the death of his mother.
Considering the story is a warning of how people can run with possibly biased and unconfirmed information from media outlets, the irony of media outlets pushing this same notion is quite outstanding.
excellent post
Maybe the son feels guilty for not requiring his mother to go to the hospital. One call to 911
was all that was needed.
Do you even know the context the term "death panels" was first used? It was used by Sarah Palin describing a panel that would determine what would or wouldn't be paid for by the government. It may not have been accurate but it's also a far cry from claiming that the government would euthanize people. So people claiming that Palin or Fox News ever said that Obama's plan would force senior citizens to be judged by a death panel that determined if they lived or died misrepresented the quote. Does that make those people repsonsible for this woman's death since she clearly seemed to believe their interpretation of the quote? I'm guessing nobody who blames Fox News will also blame themselves.
yeah ... fed to her by a right wing think tank ... and then ran with by fox news ...
listen ... no one is saying fox news is to blame except the son in this case ...
but if you guys can't see how the PR and propaganda machine contributed to this woman's death - i'm not too sure what else to say ... we've already said that the woman and to a certain degree the family have to take personal responsibility ... but the fact is - she would have went to the doctor if she wasn't brainwashed into believing lies ... lies perpetuated by fox ...
Who equated "death panels" with euthanasia? Palin? I don't think so. She sai the government would refuse to pay for health care in some instances and referred to the people making those decisions as a "death panel" (and she used quotes when she wrote it). Somehow, that was reported as Sarah Palin claiming that the "death panels" would be euthanizing people, like in this article:
In a Facebook posting, the former GOP vice presidential candidate claimed that Obama's scheme will create a "death panel" promoting euthanasia.
The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
That sounds to me like she was warning against the government rationing health care and there's no mention of euthanasia. So who was it that said "death panels" would equal euthanasia?
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the family has nothing to lose, and if they really believe that fox is responsible i hope they bring the biggest lawsuit they can. even if they lose they will expose fox news for what it is.
to those who are saying fox does not make viewers stupid, why have there been several studies recently showing that fox news viewers constantly rank as the least informed of people who watch news channels? for god's sake, in those studies the daily show viewers are better informed than fox news viewers on most issues.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The point here is that what everyone already knows for Fox News to be spreading untruths, there are MANY viewers who not are only addicted to the station, but dangerously believe everything that they say.
:shock:
Ultimately its OUR responsibility to research/obtain knowledge in whatever form.
c'mon now ... you know (or maybe not) that fox uses all kinds of trickery to push forward an agenda under the guise of "news" ... it's systemic in their broadcasting ... it's standard PR ... use death panels in as many instances as possible and it sticks ...
Maybe so, but you certainly won't hear that coming from the government, let alone the media (which is fully regulated) and public educators.
The people on Fox News who claimed that there would be death panels were commentators not news anchors. If Sarah Palin goes on "The O'Reilly Factor" and says there will be death panels, that is different from their news anchor saying it. It's no different than newspapers having editorials. Those aren't always 100% accurate, either, but I never hear anyone blaming them for deaths (or any other problems, for that matter).
This lady's kid hates Fox News and now he's blaming them for her death. That's all anyone really knows. You don't know if she would've survived at a hospital or died the day of her fall from the effects of anesthesia or died the same day she died at her home, yet people have no problem casting blame based on a Facebook post. The outlets exploiting this woman's death in order to promote their hatred for a cable news channel are shameful and are no better than the people they say they detest.
yes !!!!! xlnt post !
Godfather.
She still didn't trust her own family over what she saw on TV. That's not Fox's fault.
these are all fair points ... except ... this isn't really a media outlet pushing it ...
and another great post !!!
Godfather.
It's disturbing to you that people aren't rushing to place blame for an old woman's death on a cable news channel? Why is that disturbing?
do you see fault at either all or none? ... it's like cigarettes ... people do have to take responsibility for their actions and choices ... but when companies such as tobacco lace your product with cancer causing toxins without telling you ... they are slightly complicit ... when a media outlet under the guise of news pushes outward lies ... they are partially complicit as well ...
But yeah your right, its the TV shows fault...
Godfather.
Her actions for refusing medical attention came from believing lies that Fox News told her. This is the problem with senior viewers. They actually believe everything they hear and see. But they should not be blamed for this. They grew up with real journalism that didn't lie to them. And now they're at the mercy of these lies that Fox is telling them. Like I said before, it is documented that news viewers are more likely to believe what their favorite station states over what family tells them. People watch stations that are in line with their thinking (which validates said thinking), over hearing opposing views. This especially happens with seniors, who are well known to be VERY set in their ways and views.
If she's that easily persuaded, I hope she didnt watch Star Trek and Baywatch back to back, or else she'd have been running around half naked on the beach screaming about Kilngons.
A prime example of how brainwashed the public really is to these stations.
to care for her. This elderly person was left to her own devices making life threatening decisions
when her family should have stepped in and helped her.
Her son should have gotten her the help she needed not blame it on a TV station.
He could have saved her life ... that is what is sad here.
There comes a time for kids to step up no matter how ornery or stubborn their parent is.
exactly what I was thinking.
Do you even know the context the term "death panels" was first used? It was used by Sarah Palin describing a panel that would determine what would or wouldn't be paid for by the government. It may not have been accurate but it's also a far cry from claiming that the government would euthanize people. So people claiming that Palin or Fox News ever said that Obama's plan would force senior citizens to be judged by a death panel that determined if they lived or died misrepresented the quote. Does that make those people repsonsible for this woman's death since she clearly seemed to believe their interpretation of the quote? I'm guessing nobody who blames Fox News will also blame themselves.
True but it would be much simpler if our networks were giving us facts instead of B.S.
That goes for MSNBC too... Though you are right, it is ultimately our own responsibility.
Hey now.... none of that reason and logic is allowed here missy.
Too many of our seniors are alone and either are not looked after or are stubborn and think that they can take care of themselves. I lived in a nursing home for two months after a car accident. I feel like I know the older generation more than I should. Many of them are alone.
It doesn't dismiss the fact that a well known and highly rated media station is spewing lies that most of their audience takes for fact.
yeah ... fed to her by a right wing think tank ... and then ran with by fox news ...
listen ... no one is saying fox news is to blame except the son in this case ...
but if you guys can't see how the PR and propaganda machine contributed to this woman's death - i'm not too sure what else to say ... we've already said that the woman and to a certain degree the family have to take personal responsibility ... but the fact is - she would have went to the doctor if she wasn't brainwashed into believing lies ... lies perpetuated by fox ...
Maybe the son feels guilty for not requiring his mother to go to the hospital. One call to 911
was all that was needed.
Who equated "death panels" with euthanasia? Palin? I don't think so. She sai the government would refuse to pay for health care in some instances and referred to the people making those decisions as a "death panel" (and she used quotes when she wrote it). Somehow, that was reported as Sarah Palin claiming that the "death panels" would be euthanizing people, like in this article:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-08 ... ealth-care
Now for Palin's quote:
That sounds to me like she was warning against the government rationing health care and there's no mention of euthanasia. So who was it that said "death panels" would equal euthanasia?